Michigan Votes Forum

Because it was eight years of failed republican policies, and illegal war.

The same reason none of the Dems running for office in 2010 mentioned Barack Hussein Obama. They want to get elected!

Apples and oranges. Bush was a two term president with a lengthy record. Obama was in the middle of his first term. Dems running for congressional seats in 2010 couldn't, if they wanted to, disassociate with a sitting president of their own party. But republicans running now act like Bill Clinton was the last president, completely ignoring the disastrous terms of GWB.

Illegal war ? there you go again do you want a ticket to Iraq i will buy you one.

 Apples to oranges? Not exactly. In GWB's first midterm his party actually gained two congressional seats, which is insignificant. I warned all my Republican friends that voting for GWB in '04 would be the worst thing for their party. They looked at me as if I had a third eye growing out of my forehead. I warned them that if he were re-elected that the next two elections would go badly for the GOP. And then came what I call the "Left Wing Tsunami of '06" (LWT6). And once again, I was right! You will never convince me otherwise that the ONLY REASON Granholm got re-elected that year was she happened to be in the right place at the right time. How else can you have record unemployment, job losses, home forclosures and people leaving the state, all under your watch, and still dupe 53% of the voters into voting for you a second time? It defies all logic! None-the-less, Granholm was the benefactor of LWT6. 37 states elect Governors in midterm elections. 12 that had Republican Governors elected Democrats. Not one went the other way. Not one! The Dems also took over the House and Senate that year. None of which would have happened if Kerry would've won in '04. No 2nd term for Jennifer, no Harry Reid, no Nancy Pelosi and no Obama! Hindsight being 20-20, I'm sure those in the GOP would've gladly traded four less years of Bush if it meant preventing LWT6.

If one bad President can do that much damage to your party, why keep him? Look at what has already happened to the Dems. The GOP has already taken back the House and are just 3 seats shy of taking back the Senate. Bush left office with a 30% approval rating, Granholm's was 20%. For the first time in our states history the sitting Lt. Governor could not run for Governor because of her record. That's too bad, I really liked him. Snyder and DeVos are virtually the same guy, both businessmen who never held public office. In '06, Indiana was the only state in this part of the country to keep their Republican Governor. In '10 Illinois was the only one to keep their Democrat Governor. California was the only state in '10 to go from a Republican Governor to a Democrat. But let's be honest, Schwarzenegger wasn't elected because he was a Republican, he was elected because he was the terminater.

My dad always told me to not only learn from my mistakes, but from the mistakes of others as well since we're not going to be around long enough to make them all on our own. Bush winning in '04 ended up being a bad thing for the GOP, maybe the Dems should learn from their mistake!

Obama wasn't a mistake. Not if you really look at what he's accomplished, and what he was left to clean up. The economy was in shambles, worse than we all thought. He has struggled, but we are not in the mess Europe is in, even though it was mostly our (Bush and co.) fault to begin with. He has saved the auto industry, giving them a second chance at competing with the foreign companies, got us out of Iraq, got Bin Laden and most of the leadership of Al Qaeda, passed the health care act (something Democrats have been trying since Truman), expanding health insurance coverage to 30 million more Americans, kept ground troops out of the revolution in Libya while supporting NATO to dispose of Ghaddafi (unlike fighting a 6 year war and spending a trillion dollars to defeat Hussein), and we are now seeing the economy improve. Today the stock market went higher than it has since the financial crisis in 2008. Unemployment took an unexpected drop to 8.3%. Bush came into office with a surplus, and blew it on tax breaks for the rich and two unfunded wars and one unfunded Medicare program. Yes, apples and oranges.

 Let me ask you a question. What does President Obama plan to do if he is reelected this year? Off the top of your head. Do you really have much of an idea? I mean, other than raise taxes on rich people?

If you can't answer quickly, it isn't because you haven't been paying attention.

Because President Obama has no agenda. This he made perfectly clear in the budget he released Monday. No plans to cut entitlements, no serious plan to reform the tax code, no cuts in spending that will have a significant impact on the deficit that is threatening to ruin the economy. Nothing.

His agenda is getting reelected, and so he has played it safe by producing a budget designed to float some boats without rocking any. 

Basically, the message of the budget is that he supports education, clean energy, and the middle class, and thinks the wealthy have it just too good. This is what he hopes will resonate with the public.

I don't think this works. Americans want to believe in their president, to think he is going to lead them somewhere, not just run out the clock. Obama's failure to achieve much of significance on Capitol Hill since the 2010 health law, and his lack of ambition this year, will sap the enthusiasm of voters who last time backed hope and change.

This was not the path to victory for the last Democratic president to be reelected, Bill Clinton. Amid memories of Clinton's turmoil with his own batch of House Republicans, it's mostly forgotten that he did some tough things and took some risks with his base, actions Obama resolutely refuses to take.

In August of 1996, less than three months before Election Day, Clinton signed a landmark welfare reform measure. Then on Sept. 21, 1996, he signed the Defense of Marriage Act, which declared marriage to be the union between a man and a woman.

He infuriated many Democrats, but he also reassured many other voters that he was not a doctrinaire liberal.

What's more, he demonstrated that he could get things done and work with Republicans who hated him. He told voters they could expect achievements in his second term, which they got in the form of free trade bills, a massive budget and Medicare reform deal, and other items, despite a year-long battle over impeachment.

Obama's message to voters is more like, "Trust me, I'll take care of things." It's not enough. Republicans should be delighted.

Keith Koffler
Editor, White House Dossier

 

 

Apparently Mr. Koffler was doing something else when the President gave the SOTU address. He can find it on the internet.

The SOTUA  just so happened to be on the 1,000th day that the Dems in congress have gone without passing a budget. Even though they are Constitutionally obligated to do so before the beginning of the fiscal year beginning on Oct. 1st. That's Sep 2009 since the last budget was passed. 

No sense in banging your head against a brick wall. Can you say filibuster?

Haven't "headbanged" since the 80's. 

I remember that.

 Michigan will go and support Rick Santorum. Why? Romney is trying to portraye that he lived for a "long time" in Michigan and NOW supports the car industry.......which is didn't. He is trying to "buy" the election while Santorum is running on a "boot string" thereby showing that he wants its more. Conservatives in Michigan see this and do not want to take another chance on having another Obama because Romney got elected in a pure liberal, whack-o state of Massachusetts and had to compromise any conservative values to get elected or did he have any conservative values? We are not going to take this chance. To much at stake!

Both candidates will support the democrat movement in michigan both have their hands out, tater wait for the convention. Michigan is bound and gagged by the UAW and other unions in this state. from where you can work to how you vote. to what you watch on the tube ever wonder why theres never any bad news about gm anymore on the news because they got the payback and its coming around again. wonder who will have the biggest wallet this time ChinaOlet ?

 With the UAW..............retirees are only 50% democratic.................the other...........republicans.  Yeap!  As for active UAW workers, the two tier wage system that Obama (Ratner) put into place with Ron Gettlefinger is a disaster and has created division within the active workforce.  At least 1/3 of these employees will NOT vote this election, regardless on what their leaders (who screwed these lower wage earners) say or tell them to vote for.  What should have happened is that all workers should have been given the same wage but Obama had NO balls to do this because of future votes.  It has back fired to some extent.

Whoever wins in the primary in Michigan won't matter in November. This is the weakest Republican field of candidates I can remember in my lifetime. All a bunch of warmed over losers, with enough baggage to fill a freight train. The only one who made any sense at all was Hunt.

Everyone should vote in the primary, even Dems. Why? Obama's chances of getting re-elected are, at best, a coin-flip. May as well vote for the one you either dislike the least or the one you think has the least chance of beating your guy. Many elections are unpredictable. Nobody thought a former actor had a chance in 1980. Everybody thought Hilary was the guaranteed nominee in 2008 (most Dems now wish that did happen). Two weeks ago Romney lead Santorum by 14 points, Santorum now has a 9 point lead. Like clockwork, the Romney machine has released their attack ads. Anything can happen between now and the 28th, much less between now and November. 

I believe that all politics start at the local level. I'm not endorsing any candidate, but I would like to point out two things proposed that are relavent to Michigan. Gingrich has been very complimentary of Detroit. He pointed out how our auto plants making planes, tanks and other military vehicles during WWII was critical to winning the war. And that it is shameful the way America has turned its back on Detroit. So he has proposed to make Detroit a federal "tax free zone" for 10 years. I think it is going to take something that radical to bring back the D. Pittsburgh area native Santorum has seen first hand how a single industry falling on hard times effects the whole community. Pittsburgh went through similar times when the steel industry fell on hard times. So he has proposed to give the manufacturing work sector a tax exempt status. Cheap labor is not the only reason so many manufacturing jobs have gone overseas. Both have made proposals that would directly help our state. Not endorsing anyone, just passing along info.  

Gingrichs' proposal to make Detroit a "tax free zone" is, like most of his "ideas", crazy. What taxes, as President, would he eliminate; state, county, or city? See my point? As for Santorum, he couldn't convince Pennsylvania to put him back in the Senate. Cutting taxes is not the magic potion to bring back manufacturing. Quite the opposite. Taxing corporations more that manufacture overseas and sell here makes much more sense.

GM manufactures overseas and dumps its cars here, in canada and mexico 2 how is it you never want to mention NAFTA remember the piece of legislation that was signed into law by Slick Willie. Prior to Nafta walmart prided itself on american made goods.

Why liberals bow to their ruler, Barack Obama?  They are soooooooo gullible that it is now a joke within the U.S. on how they act. 

 

How Obama learned to manufacture the ‘truth’
 By Judi McLeod

The Obama administration’s blueprint for control of the United States of America comes directly from the world’s richest and best marketed environmental organization: Greenpeace.

The secret to Greenpeace success: “It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true…You are what the media define you to be.” (Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Watson).

 

The answer is federal tax to both Ginghich's and Santorum's tax cut proposals. Why is a 10 year elimination of federal taxes within Detroit city limits crazy? I will agree that imposing higher taxes on those who send our jobs overseas is a good idea. As for Santorum losing in PA, we was a victim of LWT6, just as Jennifer was a benefactor of it. 

Santorum was a victim of an election loss to Democrat Bob Casey by a 41% to 59% margin. What federal taxes would be eliminated? Corporate income tax on income earned all over the world, because a corporation would have one plant in Detroit?

Rtdb....Canada and Mexico are not "overseas", and China is not in North America. Just so you know, NAFTA is an acronym for North American Free Trade Agreement. Didn't have anything to do with China. Maybe Mom will buy you a globe at Wal Mart to help with your geography lessons.

 Santorum losing to Casey was the end game to a liberal state at the time.  Santorum wasn't bringing the pork barrel $$ home like a good little liberal should and Casey was willing to play the game for votes.  By Santorum losing helps him now because it shows he was willing to stand pat on his conservative ideology to some extent in a liberal state...............at the time.  Pennsylvania will go red this time around.

He was also a congressman before he was a senator. The district he represented had 60-70% registered Democrats. Elections results often depend on which way the political pendulum happens to be swinging. LWT6 happened because that was the mood of the country at the time. Conversely, 2010 went the way it did for the same reason. Michigan, for all intents and purposes, is a "swing state." With maybe even a slight advantage for the Dems. Yet our state gov't has the most GOP control since the 1920's. 

You are ignoring the biggest reason Santorum could not get reelected. He was too extreme in his social views. His election to the House from a Democratic district was due to his support for union workers. His time in the Senate was marred by his mixing religion with his politics. I agree elections swing with the mood of the country. But Santorum had been Senator since 1994, and had steadily become more extreme in his views. Michigan's last election was definitely a result of voters reaction to the near death of the auto companies and it's effect on our state economy.

gypsy:

His election to the House from a Democratic district was due to his support for union workers.

 

That was exactly my point as to why his position on the manufacturing work sector could be appealing to those in Michigan. As I have stated before, I'm a Libertarian. I do have liberal views on social issues like gay marriage and abortion. However I am married (to a Christina Hendricks look-a-like who is 11 years my junior) and I had a vasectomy after we decided not to have any more kids. Although I am sympathetic to those issues, they're not my issues. Keeping my country from heading down the same path as Greece is of far greater concern to me. As for Gingrich's plan to give Detroit a tax exempt status for 10 years, that's meant to bring jobs to the city, not for corporations to set up headquarters there. I'm sure there would be rules in place to keep that from happening.

As you probably know from reading my post on this forum, I am a Democrat, and as such, would love to see Rick Santorum be the Republican candidate for President. Here is a snippet from an editorial in the NYT today; "Ultimately, Mr. Santorum’s solution for all of the country’s problems, from manufacturing to its moral climate, boils down to one very small idea: get government out of the way. Lower taxes and spending, and, like magic, factory floors will suddenly teem with well-educated workers. The carmaker bailout put in place by the Bush and Obama administrations was unnecessary because the companies would have recovered on their own, he said, forgetting that Chrysler and G.M. were on the brink of collapse before the government stepped in. And of course he believes government entitlements replace America’s moral foundation with soul-killing dependency. He says the nation’s civil laws must comport with God’s laws. But not the laws of all religions. “Where do you think this concept of equality comes from?” he asked in South Carolina last month. “It doesn’t come from Islam. It doesn’t come from the East and Eastern religions. It comes from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.” If that is your idea of what this country needs, please vote for Santorum in the Republican primary. I am.

Democrat ? - never would have guessed that one were idiots crossing party lines spoken like a true communist . I support none of these lousy candidates, just another circus coming to town. GM needs to go bankrupt and free itself of the union and bad management.