Michigan Votes Forum

 Excellent Bill! It's only a logical step in the right direction.

 I'm a CPL holder and I would like to be able to carry a Taser or stun gun. But being a CPL holder I don't think they should be the only person allowed to carry Taser or stun gun. I think all citizen over 18 should be able to carry them for (SELF) protection.

 Senate Bill 30 to permit CPL holders to carry taser or stun gun:

This bill should be passed not only for CPL holders but all citizens.  Some people are uncomfortabvle with handeling a firearm  but to carry a taser or stun gun could be a different matter for them as well as being able to carry defensive sprays.  As a CPL holder I would appreciate being able to legally carry a taser or stun gun.  The thought of having to pull my Glock 27 .40 cal and using it is rather unnerving; not so much that I would injure or kill the attacker, but rather the consequences afterwards by the police and the prosecutor.  A stun gun or taser would give me the alternative to disable the attacker and possibly save their lives.

        Our times are changing and it does not seem to be for the better, giving all the citizens of Michigan the right to legally carry and use a taser or stun gun will help to maintain order in our society.  The pistol should be the last resort when all else fails.  We do not have too many alternatives to subduing an attacker intent on violence.  This bill is seriously needed for CPL holders and for all citizens of Michigan.  I also believe that the knife laws in Michigan need to change to permit blades of a longer length legally and to legalize the spring loaded knives.  I would readily conceed to the registering of these items to assure that each individual is legally carrying and understanding the operation of the weapon. 

How many weapons do these terribly frightened citizens need to protect themselves? Maybe if someone could invent a bullet proof, mobile bubble for them to walk around in they wouldn't need to carry an arsenal.

This bill should pass, it will allow people to carry a less lethal weapon for protection. There are Tasers the size of cell phones and smaller. It will definitely help women protect themselves from rapist and robbers without carrying a gun. Any law that is a deterrent to criminals, and protection to law abiding citizen is a good law and should be passed. The only reason someone would against this law is if you plan to or do commit crimes.

There are numerous reasons one would be against this law. The most obvious is using a taser in a moment of anger would be much easier than using a gun. Just because someone has a cpl doesn't make them rational.

 It dosen't make them stupid either gypsy.  You are assuming something you have absolutely no validation for.  I am a CPL holder; even though the law says I have  a clear right not to retreat, even in public, the choice to taser a violent criminal would be far better than shooting him or her dead.  If I have to,  I will defend myself, family or others in harm of death. I WILL shoot to kill; but If I have an alternative (which is not now available) I would at least attempty to employee the least violent method 

If I were stupid enough to taser someone out of anger, it would clearly be assault with intent to do bodily harm, enough of a threat of prison to thawart such acts.

If this law passes it makes tasers a moral and ethical choice for CPL holders to obtain and use as a first line  of self-defense if possible over killing a violent criminal.  Put your pants back on an use your head to think.  You clearly do not demonstrate that you think factually and logically at all.

 Talk about bubbles gypsy (2/10/11), you clearly need to get out of yours and see what is happening in reality!

And the other obvious reason IS a taser could cause harm to a would be rapest or robber in the moment of defense..now we wouldnt want that? would we? gypsy... someone you know could get hurt..... and just because someone doesn't have a cpl doesn't mean they can't get a taser or a gun. 

Gypsy, Having a computer and pounding on it's keyboard doesn't make them sensible either. Your posts are a good example.

My post are a good example of the fact that not everyone believes we live in the wild west and need to go around armed to the hilt to protect ourselves from real or perceived threats. If carrying a concealed handgun doesn't allay your fears, I seriously doubt a taser will. Maybe some mental health counseling?

 Gypsy,

Your argument holds no water, and is much like the arguments of those opposed to people carrying a concealed pistol, or open carrying.  Back when CPL was passed, everyone (anti's) were afraid that it would turn the state into the wild-wild-west with shoot-out's on every street corner over petty arguments. 

Many, many years later we see this isn't an issue, and as a matter of fact there has only been a few incidents with CPL holders using their weapons in the "wrong manner".

I, a CPL holder, would much prefer to taser someone than shoot them in the "right" circumstance.  If someone was violently attacking another person, with a gun or other very deadly object, I would draw my weapon and "stop the threat" even if it meant the attacker died in the process. 

Now let's say I was a CPL holder standing in a party store, and a man who "claimed to have a gun" or was armed with a baseball bat came in to rob the place.  I would now have the ability to make a choice.  It allows me to drop this person and control a threat without killing them or causing any harm what-so-ever.

Now you're issue of "pulling my taser" and dropping my sister to the ground because we are arguing over who's kid threw sand at the other first, in the heat of an argument, is ridiculous.  Honestly if I even touch the taser, accidentally even, during a heated argument that could be construed as an intent to use it.  Not something I want to have the POPO visit me about.

The fact that a 21+ year old has not had a felony (or certain misdemeanor) convictions says that they must be doing something right.  The fact that they will go through the cost and process of getting a CPL says that they probably have no intent to do anything wrong.  Honestly if they wanted to do something wrong, they could just steal a taser and use it.

The issue of owning a taser legally by a CPL holder does present many, many more oppertunities for the use of "less than deadly force" to protect yourself or a third party from imminent danger, as the law allows.  I think this is a GRAND idea.