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 The republican school voucher system is a scam and only an indirect tax cut for the rich !!

HERES how it works.............

The rich guys kid is ALREADY in private school ...... so......he gets a VOUCHER.

The regular working  guy CANT afford to pay $10,000 for private school for each of his kids, he CANT write a check !!!
And so will not be able to use his  "Voucher".

So at the end of the year, the rich guy gets to use his "VOUCHER" and he gets all the money he spent on private school reimbursed to him.

BUT where is it "reimbursed" from ??    The public school.

SO the regular guys kid is STUCK at the public school BUT now its even worse cuz they have even LESS money for the the public school system.

Wealth Redistribution Republican style !

TrueBlue:

 The republican school voucher system is a scam and only an indirect tax cut for the rich !!

HERES how it works.............

The rich guys kid is ALREADY in private school ...... so......he gets a VOUCHER.

The regular working  guy CANT afford to pay $10,000 for private school for each of his kids, he CANT write a check !!!
And so will not be able to use his  "Voucher".

So at the end of the year, the rich guy gets to use his "VOUCHER" and he gets all the money he spent on private school reimbursed to him.

BUT where is it "reimbursed" from ??    The public school.
SO the regular guys kid is STUCK at the public school BUT now its even worse cuz they have even LESS money for the the public school system.

Wealth Redistribution Republican style !

 

 now, i'm sure that is how you WISH it would work, just to make your point, but it isn't.

this is how it really works.

 the rich guy and the poor guy both get vouchers if they ask for them.

the vouchers are NOT REIMBURSED OUT OF SCHOOL MONEY, THEY ARE REIMBURSED OUT OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY.

now, how much more DEMOCRATIC can you get? anyone who asks for a voucher to improve the quality of education for their family gets one.

you are just pissed that people are being given the opportunity to exercise their rights to choose the type and kind of education their children get, instead of the state choosing for them.

 Hello... I  have been trying to find information on the school voucher... can you tell me how i might go about receiving this type of voucher.. is it for any grade.. are their many qualifications to meet? Any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 sorry, vlee74, but this state doesn't trust you spending YOUR MONEY to educate YOUR CHILD.

perhaps one day they will...

we'll keep trying.

crazycajun:

the vouchers are NOT REIMBURSED OUT OF SCHOOL MONEY, THEY ARE REIMBURSED OUT OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY.

So the money that this taxpayer would have paid to the school system, instead goes to a private education firm, resulting in less money for the public schools.

The republican beast (the private sector) is thus fed, and as trueblue states, the regular guy isn't able to write a check for 10 grand, and now the school his kid goes to gets less money, so it gets worse. More food for the republican beast, by keeping the poor uneducated, therefore more likely to vote for republicans.

jmangan:

crazycajun:

the vouchers are NOT REIMBURSED OUT OF SCHOOL MONEY, THEY ARE REIMBURSED OUT OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY.

So the money that this taxpayer would have paid to the school system, instead goes to a private education firm, resulting in less money for the public schools.

<NOW you're catching on.>

The republican beast (the private sector) is thus fed, and as trueblue states, the regular guy isn't able to write a check for 10 grand,

<the 'regular guy' doesn't have to write a check for ten grand, the 'regular guy' just puts in for a voucher for the private school, the 'regular guy' gets to use some of his OWN tax money to pay for what he considers a SUPERIOR EDUCATION. no, it isn't FAIR to the public schools, but then again, public schools aren't fair to the parents who want to give their children the best education they can afford.> 

 and now the school his kid goes to gets less money,

<how do you figure?>

 so it gets worse. More food for the republican beast, by keeping the poor uneducated, therefore more likely to vote for republicans.

<again, how do you figure? the "poor" almost unanimously vote for democrats and their 'gimme' policies.>

 

 

Why do you lefties hate children? If you don't kill them in the womb you sentence them to a life sentence in the public school system as fodder for the teachers unions.

You say

"The rich guys kid is ALREADY in private school ...... so......he gets a VOUCHER.'

I say

Most kids in private schools aren't rich. Most are middle class kids whose parents want them to do well. All I want is part of the money that goes down the black hole we call schools so that my kids can have a better chance.

It is reimbursed from the taxes that are taken from me.

The regular guy would pull his kid out of the public indoctrination center real quick if he could even get half of what they say they spend per kid at the public school.

 

The only reason to fight vouchers is that you either hate kids, love teachers unions and their lackies or are afraid too many kids would end up in church schools and get some morals which would be the  death of the democrat/socialist party within one generation.

 

C'mon, which is it blue boy??

 don't expect an answer anytime soon.

 

 

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!sounds like blue and his buddies want everything handed to them.  Bring back family values /morals-parents and caregivers start holding themselves and their children responsible and people may be surprised at how many children actually succeed in life............

School vouchers are simply another entitlement and wealth transfer program concocted by social planners.

The truly conservative thing to do, when it comes to public school finance, is to tax families with offspring up to age 26 (which is the cutoff for public schooling obligations) and relieve everyone else of school tax burdens.  This would have enormous societal benefits in many ways.

 

 wrong...

the TRULY conservative thing to do is ALLOW EVERY FAMILY TO DECIDE WHERE THEIR CHILD WILL ATTEND SCHOOL, and pay tuition to that school.

the government need not be involved.

that way, the finest schools would succeed, and the poorest schools would fail. no government interference artificially propping up mediocre schools in the name of FAIRNESS.

if every kid's parents paid tuition to their chosen school, they would increase the DIRECT FUNDING OF THEIR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION, and decrease the 'so much per student, but some students get more' mentality of the current regime.

 

"School vouchers are simply another entitlement and wealth transfer program concocted by social planners."

and, AS A DEMOCRAT, your problem with this is.......????

social security, A.F.D.C., welfare, etc. etc. etc.

you don't seem to have a problem with THOSE entitlement and wealth transfer programs concocted by social planners.

 according to the website cityofboston.com,

"The first public school in America was established by Puritan settlers in 1635 in the home of Schoolmaster Philemon Pormont and was later moved to School Street. "

lets see....

the first PUBLIC school was established by a RELIGIOUS LEADER, IN HIS PRIVATE HOME.

i wonder if his puritanical views were tought in the curriculum?

 here's one from wikipedia.

"a recent publication by the United States Department of Education has admitted that the average cost of public education per pupil is slightly more than double the cost per pupil of a private education, even though public schools have more students per teacher. Thus, there was no economy of scale as the per pupil cost should theoretically decline the more students there are per teacher."

so much for the left's idea of the public school system as being PERFECT. why should taxpayers be forced to pay double the cost for an inferior product?

Here's one about wikipedia. I thought everyone knew this.

In the summer of 2007, a computer science student created a tool allowing the IP address of anonymous editors of the site to be easily checked; the tool, Wikiscanner, quickly exposed examples of self-interested editing by prominent businesses and governments around the world. Wikipedia's leaders hailed the device as another check on abuse at the site, even if it produced some embarrassing headlines for a time. — Noam Cohen, Oct. 18, 2007

 all editing is self interested.

the new york times editing is self interested in the liberal democrat point of view.

the washington post editing is self interested in the liberal democrat point of view.

the fox news editing is self interested in the conservative republican point of view.

see how that works???

wiki also openly requests MORE information, MORE points of view, MORE opinions, and is happy to point out when an article may be slanted one way or another. such honesty is rare in today's media.

wiki also presents views from around the world. it's sometimes refreshing to read direct rebuttals to common myths espoused about how european countries are so superior to the united states. i especially like the setting straight of the MYTH that healthcare is universal in europe. EMERGENCY HEALTH CARE IS GRANTED TO EVERY CITIZEN, just like here. but when you are sent "up to the wards" as they say, that's when the billing begins. read it for yourself. it's all over the place.

why do you think the brits have such horrible teeth? british dentistry is out of the financial reach of the average brit. how is that possible with universal health care, you say? look it up for yourself.

 

 by the way, european countries have used vouchers for decades. german vouchers will even allow you to send your "kinderen" to religious schools.

such PROGRESSIVE people, those darn europeans...

 "Competition never hurts anyone unless you are affraid that your weaknesses will be exposed in your teaching ability".  Yes, competition is what Michigan needs and the proof is in the pudding.  How's that graduation rate doing for you?  How's that learning curve doing for your kids leaving high school and they don't even know the 3 branches of government?  Pathetic!

Private schools get to pick and choose students, public schools must take all. That is the unfairness in vouchers.

 23 and counting.  Is your child safe in "public schools" and where $7 to $10 thousand dollars of each household dollars go to each year?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2nd-teacher-arrested-at-la-school-days-after-veteran-teacher-charged-with-molesting-23-kids/

You must have a whole deck of those fear cards you constantly play.

 Here is yet another reason why vouchers are needed :

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/02/09/nj-teachers-union-boss-with-500000-salary-lifes-not-fair/

Despite desperate efforts to make the voucher debate about "school choice" and improving opportunities for low-income students, vouchers remain an elitist strategy. Privatization strategies are about subsidizing tuition for students in private schools, not expanding opportunities for low-income children.

jip c try this website for some education info. www.measureofamerica.org