Michigan Votes Forum

 For a very long time I have been hearing about a "Liberal Agenda".
I think it is worth examining, as it rolls off the rightwingers
tongues with a loathing and easy contempt.

What is it ??
If, by "liberal agenda" they mean....

Keeping Social Security viable for those most in need in our
society and those who have already worked a lifetime
contributing to a system geared to regular folks.
Something the "right" wants to "privatize",in other
words eliminate.

To insure Government regulation of
"for profit" companies so we don't have rampant corporate
theft and massive exploitation of hard working Americans.

(Ie. the current conservative/republican caused economic collapse)

To insure Government regulation of the food industry.
So people wont have to test their own ground beef for
mad cow or Ecoli.

To insure Government regulation of
imported goods.So YOU don't have to test for dangerous
lead content.

Government regulation is government doing
its job!

To ensure that those who have the ability to go
on to higher education do so.

To insure Universal health care for all Citizens.I

If we can afford a war we can afford health
care for all Americans.

When our government tells us that
"Universal Health care for Iraqi's is sound policy, but for
Americans its SOCIALISM, its time for a new government.

If every individual is "entitled" an attorney, whether
or not he/she can afford one, than I believe by virtue of
citizentry alone, EVERY American is "ENTITLED" to
Universal health care.

Insurance companies "compassion" for
my illness should not end where their PROFIT/LOSS margins begin.

If my health determines your profit and my illness decides
your loses,than you would want me either... healthy or dead.
That's NOT a very good system for health care.

To insure our nation never invades, attacks or aggrieves any
Sovereign nation(s) that commit no provocation or threat.
Such as Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq.

To insure "equal protection under the law"For all people.
Not just some people but all people.Not just some rights
but all rights.If you fall into the category of Human Being,
you are "entitled" to the same rights as all other
people.Straight people, gay people, black people,
religious people,non-religious people, ALL... people.

Please let us all remember these words;
"Those who will not stand up for the rights of others put
their own rights in danger of being lost as well."

To insure that there is freedom of religion.
To insure that YOUR freedom of religion ends where MINE begin,religious or otherwise.

To insure that everyone pays their fair share of taxes.

"Taxes are the price our society pays to invoke the word
Civilization upon itself"~~Thomas Jefferson   ***

Anyone who would insinuate that taxing someone $3 million on an income of $10 million a year, is being "punished" for their hard work is among the worlds biggest lunatics.

#1 anyone who "makes" $10 million a year is NOT digging
ditches or working hard. (He may have done so to get there
but lets be clear, once he gets there he is NOT working hard.)

Hard work is many things, it is also hard work to be really
poor with no job. Ask a welfare recipient if its not hard
work trying to make ends meet? Try to figure out how to
pay $1660 worth of expenses on $1100 a month. Gas or electric?
Telephone or cable?Clothes or rent? Food or medicine?
Can't imagine? No, neither can I !

#2 It is NOT punishment to pay your fair share!!
"To those whom much is given, much is expected"

To insure the basic necessities of existence for every citizen.
Food, shelter, health care, disaster relief.

To do any less is not humane, to do more is Private charity.

To rely on private charity alone leads to the following;
Private charity leads to public homelessness.

Private charity breeds demoralization and contempt.

OUR RIGHT TO, OUR ENTITLEMENT TO, THESES THINGS:
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
These are things that are not for sale and have been paid for
IN FULL by the Americans that came before us.
For ....all Americans.

Anyone having a problem with these precepts must have
a problem with the Constitution and the notion
"United We Stand".

And finally, To forever insure the proper correlation between
our law and our justice.

Our Future, will of course, end up being our children's history.
How will you, YOU, write that book?
Think your vote means little? Think again.

Liberal Agenda???    It use to be called the American Way.


US ARMY VET

For republican voters, that's THOMAS Jefferson~3rd President Not GEORGE Jefferson~the dry cleaner ***

TrueBlue:

 For a very long time I have been hearing about a "Liberal Agenda".
I think it is worth examining, as it rolls off the rightwingers
tongues with a loathing and easy contempt.

What is it ??
If, by "liberal agenda" they mean....

Keeping Social Security viable for those most in need in our
society and those who have already worked a lifetime
contributing to a system geared to regular folks.
Something the "right" wants to "privatize",in other
words eliminate.

<but alas... you are wrong here... the people who MOST want social security, and CAN'T get it are those who HAVEN'T WORKED A DAY, YET STILL FEEL "ENTITLED" TO OUR MONEY. under your system, they could get it, under PRIVATIZATION, only the person who EARNED the money can SPEND the money. THAT is the american way. by the way, under JEFFERSON, there WAS no social security, as every american was EXPECTED TO PROVIDE FOR HIS OWN RETIREMENT.>

To insure Government regulation of
"for profit" companies so we don't have rampant corporate
theft and massive exploitation of hard working Americans.

<if by HARD WORKING AMERICANS you mean UNION EMPLOYEES PAID $75.00 AN HOUR as per a UNION CONTRACT...would you REALLY prefer that all companies be GOVERNMENT OWNED??? >

(Ie. the current conservative/republican caused economic collapse)

To insure Government regulation of the food industry.
So people wont have to test their own ground beef for
mad cow or Ecoli.

<so, government regulation is going to ENSURE that we don't get mad cow or e. coli??? i think NOT. besides, you already have e. coli in your system. you couldn't digest your food without it. it's when it gets out of your intestines that it causes trouble. look it up for yourself.>

To insure Government regulation of
imported goods.So YOU don't have to test for dangerous
lead content.

<how about testing those GOVERNMENT OWNED PIPES IN DETROIT AND FLINT that provide LEAD TAINTED WATER to the citizens who live there? isn't THAT a shame too? obviously not.> 

Government regulation is government doing
its job!

To ensure that those who have the ability to go
on to higher education do so.

<they always have, it's called SCHOLARSHIPS. yes, they HAVE TO BE EARNED, which is why you dislike them so... but... oh, by the way, part of HAVING THE ABILITY TO GO ON TO HIGHER EDUCATION IS THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR IT.>

 

To insure Universal health care for all Citizens.I

If we can afford a war we can afford health
care for all Americans.

<yes, we can, but for what we spend to fight the war, you would have a very crappy health care system. canada spends fifty five percent of it's citizen's yearly income on a crappy health care system, how much more would you want them to spend on the finest healthcare system in the world?>

When our government tells us that
"Universal Health care for Iraqi's is sound policy, but for
Americans its SOCIALISM, its time for a new government.

<providing ANY healthcare to an iraqi is "providing universal healthcare" >

If every individual is "entitled" an attorney, whether
or not he/she can afford one, than I believe by virtue of
citizentry alone, EVERY American is "ENTITLED" to
Universal health care.

<people are only "entitled" to an attorney AFTER they have been arrested. now, that's in our constitution. where do you get the idea that every american is "ENTITLED" to universal health care?>

 

Insurance companies "compassion" for
my illness should not end where their PROFIT/LOSS margins begin.

<why not? their only COMPASSION for your illness is whether or not they have to pay for it. that's why you PAID for insurance. they are an insurance company, not a RELATIVE. you COULD go back to relying on your relatives for support... good luck on THAT one.>

If my health determines your profit and my illness decides
your loses,than you would want me either... healthy or dead.
That's NOT a very good system for health care.

<health insurance is not a system for health care. it's a system to pay the bills when your system of health care FAILS. it's sort of like those "warranty policies" that pay for your car repairs when your "system of car care" fails. but you don't know that, do you?>

To insure our nation never invades, attacks or aggrieves any
Sovereign nation(s) that commit no provocation or threat.
Such as Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq.

<wasn't it KENNEDY that attacked vietnam? wasn't it CLINTON who attacked grenada?>

To insure "equal protection under the law"For all people.
Not just some people but all people.Not just some rights
but all rights.If you fall into the category of Human Being,
you are "entitled" to the same rights as all other
people.Straight people, gay people, black people,
religious people,non-religious people, ALL... people.

<so why make some people more equal than others by asking SOME people to pay OTHER'S BILLS?>
Please let us all remember these words;
"Those who will not stand up for the rights of others put
their own rights in danger of being lost as well."

<EXACTLY SO. i don't care if you want to pay for someone else's healthcare, but i don't believe it is your right to FORCE ME to pay for what is THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to pay for.>

To insure that there is freedom of religion.

<and not FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.>

To insure that YOUR freedom of religion ends where MINE begin,religious or otherwise.

To insure that everyone pays their fair share of taxes.

<AND NO MORE>

"Taxes are the price our society pays to invoke the word
Civilization upon itself"~~Thomas Jefferson   ***

Anyone who would insinuate that taxing someone $3 million on an income of $10 million a year, is being "punished" for their hard work is among the worlds biggest lunatics.

<taxing three dollars out of ten is usual, but not fair. now, millionaires are taxed FIVE dollars out of ten. read your tax code.>
#1 anyone who "makes" $10 million a year is NOT digging
ditches or working hard. (He may have done so to get there
but lets be clear, once he gets there he is NOT working hard.)

<yes he is. i see YOU haven't worked hard enough to emass that kind of fortune.>

Hard work is many things, it is also hard work to be really
poor with no job. Ask a welfare recipient if its not hard
work trying to make ends meet? Try to figure out how to
pay $1660 worth of expenses on $1100 a month. Gas or electric?
Telephone or cable?Clothes or rent? Food or medicine?
Can't imagine? No, neither can I !

<that is easy. cut out the cable. entertainment is NOT a necessity. that is a start. your mentality puts CABLE TELEVISION RIGHT UP THERE WITH RENT.>

#2 It is NOT punishment to pay your fair share!!
"To those whom much is given, much is expected"

<that is a quote from karl marx.  who stole it from thomas jefferson.>
To insure the basic necessities of existence for every citizen.
Food, shelter, health care, disaster relief.

<why do you keep harping on health care? who's responsibility is it to look after YOUR health? if it's mine you are going to be a sick puppy for quite a while, because i don't think you are worthy of it. if it's MY responsibility to provide YOUR health care, you had better quit PISSING ME OFF, or those aspirin are going to be few and far between. you had better become a BETTER SERVANT to DESERVE THE HEALTH CARE I GIVE YOU.>
To do any less is not humane, to do more is Private charity.

<every man is intitled to the right to life, liberty and the PERSUIT of happiness. there is no guarantee that just because you have the right to PERSUE happiness that you will ever FIND happiness. it's not our job to make you happy, only to stand out of the way while you persue it.>
To rely on private charity alone leads to the following;
Private charity leads to public homelessness.

<and public charity in the form of UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE LEADS TO EXACTLY THE SAME THING... OR CAN'T YOU COMPREHEND THAT????>
Private charity breeds demoralization and contempt.

<DITTO>
OUR RIGHT TO, OUR ENTITLEMENT TO, THESES THINGS:
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
These are things that are not for sale and have been paid for
IN FULL by the Americans that came before us.
For ....all Americans.

<but your ENTITLEMENT to HEALTHCARE HASN'T. now, if you WANT IT... PAY FOR IT.>

Anyone having a problem with these precepts must have
a problem with the Constitution and the notion
"United We Stand".

<show me in the constitution where it says that i have to pay for your total healthcare.>
And finally, To forever insure the proper correlation between
our law and our justice.

<the law is in black and white, JUSTICE is in men. we are a nation of LAWS, not of MEN.>
Our Future, will of course, end up being our children's history.
How will you, YOU, write that book?
Think your vote means little? Think again.

Liberal Agenda???    It use to be called the American Way.

<THE LIBERAL AGENDA WAS NEVER CALLED THE AMERICAN WAY, IT WAS ALWAYS CALLED SOCIALISM>
US ARMY VET

For republican voters, that's THOMAS Jefferson~3rd President Not GEORGE Jefferson~the dry cleaner ***

 

 

 TRUE/FALSE asks

WHAT IS THE LIBERAL AGENDA?

i'm going to attempt to provide him an answer. he won't LIKE IT... but here it is.

THE LIBERAL AGENDA.

1. seize control of the education of 'THE MASSES' (you can substitute 'THE PEOPLE' if your audience has a more conservative bent)

    the purpose of seizing this control is to be able to manipulate the teachings of GENERATIONS of little PROLITARIAT WORKERS  (you can insert 'OUR CHILDREN' if you are dealing with those who might resist.)

2. increase the size and scope of government, whether 'THE MASSES' need it or not.

     the purpose of increasing the size and scope of government is to provide spaces for the 'PROPER BEUROCRATS' to ply their trade. notice that only true leftist idealoges need apply.

3.  to influence the morals of 'THE MASSES' in order to bring about an ANYTHING GOES mentality, the first step on the trail of 'ME FIRST' thinking necessary to implement some of their failed social programs.

     do you REALLY think that social security wouldn't be shut down for the farce that it is if it didn't give the 'ME FIRST' brigade GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS?

4.  to discredit religion of all forms as unnecessary, and even evil. using a constant refrain of 'SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE' taken to the point of SEPARATION OF ANYONE WHO GOES TO CHURCH FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

     you can see this in the rabid support from the left for the RIGHTS of athiests over and above everyone else. you can also see this in the equally rabid support for the INCLUSION IN ALL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT of gays, lesbians, and a host of other sexually confused individuals.we are also bombarded daily with such shows as EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT GUY (a show that assumes that anyone without a leftist fashion sense needs an INTERVENTION by a couple of queers, whether he wants them or not.)

5.  instill the belief that THE POLICE WILL PROTECT YOU.

     the purpose of instilling this belief is to hire even more 'PROPER BEUROCRATS' to fill positions on police forces, assuring that rights are slowly chipped away little by little. not all at once, mind you, but slowly. all the while teaching that "quotas" are a good tool of law enforcement, and that some laws can only be enforced by charging you fines and fees.

6.  disarm 'THE MASSES'.

     every good leftist knows that sooner or later, the little light will come on, and someone will not be happy with what he sees by that light. that is usually the time that our disgruntled hero grabs a rifle and puts whoever purpetrated this atrocity upon him out of his misery.

7.  re-write history to serve your purposes.

     the holocaust never happened... the soviets (COMMUNISTS) killed more gypsies, gays, and retarded people during the war than the germans... bill REALLY DIDN'T have sex with that woman after all...

8.  do ANYTHING IT TAKES TO WIN.

     enlist the aid of DEAD VOTERS... use STRONG-ARM tactics to deprive others of their right to vote... register voters on 'OUR SIDE' several times while purging active voters from the 'OTHER SIDE'.

9.  NEVER GIVE UP.

     even in the face of adversity, but ESPECIALLY when the liberals win.

 

 

crazycajun:

 

 <wasn't it KENNEDY that attacked vietnam? wasn't it CLINTON who attacked grenada?>

 

 

What an ignorant buffoon.

Every line you wasted your time pounding out  in response is wrong.

Republican Eisenhower started the whole Vietnam fiasco.

Ronny Reagan attacked tiny Grenada.

Wha--t   a total  Buffooon !

Pfft !!

 

 so much for the spirit of goodwill on this site... i can see it means nothing.

silence dogood:

 so much for the spirit of goodwill on this site... i can see it means nothing.

 

 I take it you value stupidity and ignorance ???

I doubt it but thats your business.

  "Crazycajun" would make for "stimulating" dinner conversation for you if indeed that is what you hold so dear,

 ah, the personal vendetta... so lovely to watch.

what is the purpose of this thread? if it's purpose is to show the existence or non-existence of a liberal agenda, then your posts are far off the mark. if it's purpose is to give you free rein to throw personal insults at those with whom you disagree, then you have crossed the line of civility.

while ignorance is curable, stupidity is often not, simply because it is institutional. a person is ignorant when he doesn't know. a person is stupid when they know and don't care. institutional stupidity stems from the willingness to void other's worth and value to achieve a stated goal. your constant attempts to void other's worth is evident in your constant use of the words 'stupid and ignorant'.

 if people are ignorant, it is your duty to educate them. a duty which you and this state have been failing at miserably over the last three decades or so. if you see people as stupid, perhaps it is your own institutional blindness and prejudices that force you to see them that way.

your personal grudge against this person is of no consequence to me. your personal assault against me is. i'm sure that 'crazy' would be a far superior choice over you for sparkling conversation over a fine meal, that is no reason to be insulting. one wonders what your reason is for being insulting?

 

 yes, trueblue. i agree...

you are an ignorant buffoon. Eisenhower sent special forces. Kennedy upped the ante. of course Kennedy had the courage of convictions that we should win there, and not surrender. didn't your stint in the army teach you that?

your antichrist, Reagan, defended Grenada from the Cuban army, who DID attack Grenada. again, your stint in the army taught you nothing. how did you graduate boot camp if you failed 'army history'?

two instances of history, re-written by the buffoonery of trueblue. you see, trueblue, you are not the only one who can spell buffoon.

uber-liberal:

 you see, trueblue, you are not the only one who can spell buffoon.

 

 

I am quite sure YOU know how to spell "buffoon" , as it is most likely on your ID.

 

 

 thanks for that insult, tb. i'll add it to the list of others.

 why so angry all the time, trueblue? what angers you beyond control? you speak ill of buffoonery, yet you practice it quite well, your showmanship is quite on par with those you insult. you espouse a government and an economy that is untried, untested, and unsuccessful. you know this, yet you continue to espouse it. refusing to take from it what might work (very little, i would say) and use it to make our system better.

(those who say that trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a sure sign of mental deficiency could have been talking about you.)

you claim to have 'seen the light' in europe, especially germany post war. what you saw was a post war economy (well into the 1980's) that was digging out from it's debt to the united states by applying capitalism everywhere it could, and trying to raise the level and standard of living for it's people by applying socialism where ever it could get away with it. what germany is today is as capitalist as any country in europe, with some socialistic tendencies, controlled by a recent memory of how socialism went horribly wrong before. remember, without your being in germany to keep the communists at bay, the soviet union would have swallowed up germany as a source of income in a heartbeat. it was starving for capital, and only capitalist countries could provide it. you were there, and i'll bet you didn't even see that happening right before your eyes.

one wonders how much longer china can remain a communist country, with all it's people having tasted capitalism? i'd venture to say not long, if the upsurge in investment and purchasing going as well as it has been over the last few years. china represents one of the few growing economies, with billions of workers now working for profit, as opposed to the good of government. it's amazing how much more productive they are now that they are working for themselves.

even the communists have by-passed socialism as a means of government and drove straight to capitalism.

i can see your ideals at work, and i can sense your passion. but your cause would be better served by controlling your anger at those who oppose you. especially since you are on the wrong side of this issue, and the wrong side of history.

good luck with that.   

silence dogood:

 why so angry all the time, trueblue? what angers you beyond control?   

 

I am not angry per se, only honest, however, anger is an honest response to stupidity.

Which your crowd demonstrates often.

So I imagine your childish rants are not so much fuled by any legitimate anger but by pure frustration at your own lack of knowledge to respond intelligently.

Its quite obvoius.

 

 is that why you are so angry? you imagine something that isn't so? your response to stupidity is always anger. with you imagining what you will about what the truth is, i can see why you are angry. you don't know the truth, so you imagine anything your heart desires. you should take the time to learn the truth before you make yourself blow a gasket.

if you were honest, you would admit that your way hasn't ever worked anywhere it's been tried.

 

 Ike my dear sir was the best President this country has EVER had! Don't slam IKE!

 i just spent several hours reading posts here, and have come to the opinion that trueblue is a tool, like a hammer and sickle.

I liked Ike also, but I won't go so far as to say he was the best president ever. I would say he was the best Republican president since Lincoln.

 don't tell me, let me guess. your favorite is bill clinton.

FDR

 what do you think about the "theory" being thrown around that FDR actually extended the depression by a few years with then new deals? all the previous, and some would say worse, depressions were over in two or three, his lasted almost twice as long.

 and now for something on topic. yes virginia, there is a liberal agenda.

Revisionist history.

 how so?

 The definition of a liberal and or progressive and what it means to be one:

From 2005 to 2011 unions reported 1.1 billion dollars in political spending to the Federal Election Commission, but quietly reported an additional 3.3 billion in political spending to the Labor Department for a total of 4.4 billion spent on politics in the last 5 years.

Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.” ― Robert A. Heinlein

The liberal agenda is to bring Communism to America. The Democratic Party has failed us and here is why: .................................http://www.independentsentinel**.*com/2012/09/useful-idiots-want-to-give-communism-a-chance/

"We can't expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism."--Soviet dictator Nikita Khrushchev This should have been signed by Barack Obama but he does subscribe to the meaning of this statement.