Michigan Votes Forum

Introduced in the House on November 6, 2008

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At least there is someone in the State legislature, proposing something worth while and not some crapola like unnecessary and UN-American restrictive smoking bans. Mind your own business and GET OUT of other peoples PRIVATE affairs. This "popular" vote of Presidential elections shows at least SOME legislators know what their job is. And are doing somthing FOR the people.

and out of your mind. This would end this country quicker than b. hussein obam can even dream of doing it.

You are an "Anonymous" coward and fool. I am surprised you managed to SPELL illiterate considering your grammer and syntax are atrocious. It is time for the Electoral college to be a thing of the past.

You are an idiot. If you do this you can just let Kahlifornia and Baaaston elect your next presidaent or as b hussein likes to call it "Ruler". You need to get a little education other than what the public indoctrination center and the daily kooks give you.

What in Gods name are you rambling on about? Obama has nothing to do with this topic, its a matter of a legislator proposing the LONG over due elimination of the electoral college. (And not that it has anything to do with anything, but I was NOT a supporter of Obama, Clinton was the best choice for the Presidency.)

Our Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they established the Electorial College. It gives the smaller populated States an equal footing. I surely do not want the socialist/fascist State of California to be able to ride rough-shod over Rhode Island or Main!! Most of all -- I want those who take their Oath of Office to adhere to the covenant that they will adhere to the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights!

You ready to give up your right to vote? Because if this gets through your vote will be worthless. Again, you are not smart enough to vote so do us all a favor and don't ever vote again. Let the intelligent adults run the show and get out of the way.

After 20 minutes of reading my eyes completely glazed over and I gave up trying to reduce the proposition to simple and comprehensible terms. What is proposed, though, clearly is intended to make an end run around the Electoral College system in some way. If time has come to scrap the Electoral College (which may or may not be the case -- it is a question open to debate) the proper approach is to do it by amending the United States Constitution. Sneaky Pete maneuvers like what is proposed in this legislation ought to be rejected.

This is putting the cart in front of the horse. Madison has written about the importance of all voices being heard through the political process. (Read the Federalist Papers #10 and #39) Your point of departure to provide for an improved democratic election process would be to support a concerted effort in making the Voting Rights Act an Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. (42 U.S.C. Sections 1973–1973aa-6). Perhaps you may wish to begin demonstrating national leadership on a state level by looking in your own backyard. Amend the Michigan Constitution first then go for the 3/5th ratification. Who knows, one of these days we may have a president elect who will not sign an extension. Close your eyes and ponder the scenario. Beverly Tran

Is it any wonder why the citizen-taxpayers dont understand the meaning of the Constitution when we have legislators who work this hard to deprive them of the right to have their vote for the candidate of their choice count? Although is appears on the surface as a method of consolidating voting blocs for one party or another (un-Constitutional in itself on the surface), what it really does is destroy ANY CHANCE that any third-party candidate will be able to even see his name on the vote tallies! Because all of a state's electoral votes would be assigned to one candidate, the entire meaning of the Electoral College becomes moot: even the two "ruling parties" would lose the chance to combine their smaller numbers of electoral votes in one state with larger numbers in other states and perhaps show the true will of all the people. This prevents that from happening.

If Michigan were to do this, then what would be the point of the majority of us even voting? Since five cities invariably control the majority of votes in Michigan, we can just  let Wayne county decide who will get the entire state's electoral vote...and add it to the decisions made by other major cities and they can determine the vote. Rural areas and eventually rural states will thus lose the right to have their votes counted.

This is truly an end-run around the United States Constitution and the reasoned will of the people. Notice that this bill wanderred in during the post-election period and becomes public knowledge during the Christmas season where most citizens will never know it exists until it becomes law. For those poor souls who have a current public education, please hunt up the history of how this country got the Federal Reserve act-on Christmas break in the dark of night! THis kind of sneaky underhanded political tactic will effectively destroy even more of our Constitutional rights!

The voters need to make note of who votes for this bill-and remove them from office at soonest opportunity. If this continues, we can just give up voting and declare  a perpetual ruling party!

For crying out loud, make sure you understand what this proposal really would do before popping off about it.  It has nothing to do with consolidating even more political power in Michigan's larger cities.  It is far worse than that.

If Michigan were to enter the proposed compact, the state’s 17 Electoral College delegates would be committed to cast their votes for the presidential candidate that tallies the highest number of popular votes nationwide.

 

Thus, Michiganders would cede their unique political voice in presidential elections to the other states.

 

That defeats the founding purpose of the Electoral College, which was and is to ensure that every state, large or small in population, has its own voice in presidential elections.

 

A better idea – if Electoral College voting reform is something Michiganders really want to do -- might be to change the winner-take-all system of committing the state’s entire 17 vote delegation to the one candidate who wins the entire state, and elect individual delegates on the basis of which candidate wins the popular vote in each Congressional district.  Under that setup Michigan’s 17 Electoral College votes might well be split between two or more candidates and more accurately reflect the state’s regional political leanings.  Both Maine and Nebraska use the latter system.

 

 

 

 

TrueBlue:

At least there is someone in the State legislature, proposing something worth while and not some crapola like unnecessary and UN-American restrictive smoking bans. Mind your own business and GET OUT of other peoples PRIVATE affairs. This "popular" vote of Presidential elections shows at least SOME legislators know what their job is. And are doing somthing FOR the people.

 

I like your take on the draconian anti smoking zealots but you have been mislead on the popular vote thing. This would be the final nail in the east and west coasts project to rule the nation

The language of the bill doesnt make it clear exactly what would happen if this bill were allowed to pass: ALL voters essentially give up their right to a vote as the member states then combine votes among themselves and all electors go to the winner. This sneaky little thing is happening all over the US right now-and the voters are mostly unaware of it. In fact, Henry Lamb wrote an editorial on this bunch published today at:http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=84058  titled, "Our federal republic: Dangling by aThread".                                                                                                                                                                        This is exactly the opposite of what we need to happen! We need a split electoral vote so that every condidate has the chance to make an impact even if they dont win the seat! That way, they can at least force some language into party platforms that address the minority views. With this sort of  rule, there would be little sense in any of us voting our conscience as only the biggest players with the most corporate and international money would get the votes-and that would be the globalists who promised the most "change" to  those uneducated in how our republic is supposed to work! And it would be the biggest cities, with the most money thrown at them to convince them they'd gain, that would carry the vote-but it would now be unanimous!

This, and an attempt at forcing a Con Con, will be the end of the Republic as we know it. Hello, European Socialism with a Fascist corporate twist!   Personally, I'm NOT looking forward to having to drive a "PELOSI  Breeze "  We'll never get this bunch of nutty thieves out of there if this goes thru-and that's the intent!

 

 

 

 The reason our founders created the Electorial College is to secure the rights of the smaller States over the large States.  In other words, California cannot trump Rhode Island, or Texas votes trumping the voters of Maine.  I think our Founding Fathers who who took the time to research history, and who studied former governments were and are much wiser than the so-called representatives we have on hand today.  "Miracles do not cluster."  We had a miracle take place with the wise, knowledgeable founders who collected to form the liberties, and freedoms that are in practice today.

No, none of our founders were infallible or perfect, but they came as close to perfection as possible and they created the means and advantages to correct any injustice through the vote of the people.  One of those advantages and means is the Electorial College so that no State has an advantage over another smaller populated State. 

 what i think most people on the "losing side" believe is that the ALL OR NOTHING states have somehow "cheated" the opposition voters out of their voice in government. this is a state by state decision, based on the WILL OF THE PEOPLE OF THAT STATE. we should and must respect that will and live with the results.

Apparently  you dont see that the 'nothing' part of your equation means many voters get NOTHING! No vote, or not one that counts in any way. Within two election cycles, there would only be one party. I am really concerned with the huge numbers of so-called Americans who are so bent on silencing the opposition that they will twist our electoral process to make sure they win. But, after ACORN, I guess we shouldnt be surprised!

 this process has been going on for years, and i don't see it changing much anytime soon. you are right, though, that it DOES favor one group over another, but in different ways. the democrats made sure to put ALL OR NOTHING clauses in where ever they were in power for a long time, thus diluting the republican minority in their inner cities. this has bitten them on the buns more often than not, and they are looking to change things in many of these places. they see a CONSERVATIVE SWEEP of the country, not only in the 'hinterlands' but in the major cities as well.

this worries them, but not at the moment. they see this past election as a mandate, just as we saw the election of the bushes as a mandate. there will never be a 'middle of the road' candidate to win office, only one with sufficient "pull" with the fringes to get the wackos out to vote. this cycle shows exactly that.

now that the fringes have been used to make history, how will they react when their 'fringe choice' dives for the center?

they will feel betrayed, and worse, but they will also feel tested. a test they won't want to endure again, at least not for the 'leftist ideal'.

by the way, i never said that i AGREED with the electorial college, i DID say we should respect the way the individual states choose to organize their electorate.

merry christmas.

 so, TRUE/FALSE...

"I was NOT a supporter of Obama, Clinton was the best choice for the Presidency.)"

if you TRULY believed this... why did you vote for mccain?

or were you just lying through your teeth AGAIN????

i CAN'T WAIT to hear THIS doozy...

you seem to have shot yourself in the foot again...

 

crazycajun:

 so, TRUE/FALSE...

"I was NOT a supporter of Obama, Clinton was the best choice for the Presidency.)"

if you TRULY believed this... why did you vote for mccain?

or were you just lying through your teeth AGAIN????

i CAN'T WAIT to hear THIS doozy...

you seem to have shot yourself in the foot again...

 

 

 okay true/false...

in the post quoted above, you said you thought CLINTON was the best choice for president...

then, later, you said THIS....

"I voted for McStupid because I could not vote for a liar and a cheat. " while mumbling something about a PROTEST VOTE.

so i can tell that your principles do not extend to NOT LYING.

it's GOOD that you think that the A.M.A. and the bar association are unions, proving your lack of intellect and your totall gullability. you will believe ANYTHING that you hear, as long as it comes from the mouth of a leftist. but you will VOTE for a conservative to try to find your VALUES.

we haven't heard from you at all today, i hope you aren't suffering from food poisoning from the wendy's you ate at. besides, there aren't too many REALLY EXPENSIVE EATERIES IN DETROIT.

by the way.. you list CHICAGO as a 'base of operations' as well as detroit... which is it? if you live in chicago, why are you wasting our time giving us your opinion on a MICHIGAN site? if you live in detroit, why have you ABANDONED MICHIGAN to work in chigago?

seems you have painted yourself into SEVERAL CORNERS, and SHOT YOURSELF IN THE FOOT SEVERAL TIMES AS WELL.

you stupid dipweed.