Michigan Votes Forum

Introduced in the House on March 8, 2007

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With all the violent acts in the news today, don't we have to look at the root cause of why this is taking place? I fully support issues to keep our kids safe at school. But doing more research and addressing the root cause may be more prudent. Where are the kids getting the guns? Are we screenging the kids for violent tendencies in elementary school? Are the mental health professionals needed in elementary schools? If the parents have medical insurance, could this help with the cost? If not, how will the districts pay or for that matter, the State pay for these services?

about addressing the root cause of anything. it's all about making you FEEL BETTER. it DOES NOTHING. it SOLVES NOTHING.

For a lot of reasons from financial to potential pit falls I say No to this bill

It's horrible. There OUGHT TO BE A LAW with stiff penalties for male gang members that sex in the girls into their gangs. The girls have to sleep with 7 members or something like that to get in. The way we treat our female is part of the problem. These gang culture issues get into our schools. Reduce the number of girls initiated into gangs and reduce the baby mill of gang members. Let's throw some money and legislation at THAT. Gangs are a new millenium way of boys getting frequent sex. Creative but destructive to our society.

There really isn't an established procedure or list of characteristics for identification. I think a lot of school violence may come from teachers, administrators not having the education and resources to deal with this problem. How do you approach a parent? It's tricky, but it needs to be done MORE.

rape if it weren't for the fact that the girl WANTS to get sexed into a gang. you can't legislate THAT away.

Make it illegal.

what kind of success might they have in life if such a situation were not there to deal with in the first place. Gangs are about a sense of belonging and power that they aren't getting somewhere else. The initiation is necessary to be part of the belonging, so they do it. Men aren't sexed in. It's a real inequality and injustice in our society that this exists, and we ought to be fighting it just as hard as we are meth. Meth addicts make choices, too, but there are laws, measures to prevent it, and treatment. I say crack down on male gangs members sexing these girls into gangs. Or AT LEAST give news coverage so that parents of these girls are AWARE of the potential problem. It's not just black, hispanic females getting RECRUITED. It's very intentional the way they go after people to be in their gants. It's the smart white girls with a future, too, that are getting sucked into this. All it takes is one day that they were pissed of at a parent or pissed that mom has a new boyfriend and there you go. Once you get in, getting out is NO EASY MATTER. You might as well leave the country. The adults in this state would be smart to wise up fast to this. PROTECT OUR YOUNG GIRLS. Do something.

Are you sure it's not breaking some sort of law or some sort of law couldn't be developed. It seems VERY wrong that we are allowing it to happen. Standing back and doing NOTHING. Pregnancy, AIDS, drop outs, cervical cancer. There are consequences to turning a blind eye. Paying for the welfare for these girls later. If you stop the girl recruitment, then you get the male gangs and violence off at the knee. That's the KEY to defeating, reducing gang violence.

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What small group, special services can these kids get? Are they qualifying for special education? Are the teachers, etc. aware of the symptoms? Should the other kids have to suffer as they act up if they are severely affected by this disease/disorder? Often doctors screen in the hospital and confront the parents. Couldn't that information be shared with schools so that there could be EARLY intervention and so that teachers and other students didn't get hurt because of some of these kids? I think their needs to be a HUGE awareness campaign on this issue. You want good MEAP scores, NCLB, well get these mothers to stop drinking. PUT IT RIGHT ON A BILLBOARD, on the bathroom stalls in bars, on tv, on the internet pop ups. I'm not talking about a drink here and there. Tell them society doesn't want to pay for the retention or extra money for special education services of their children. Schools WILL, but it would be nice to eliminate this problem through education/prevention. We need to make it very NOT COOL to drink during your pregnancy, to show people that they put a drain on society, show them how the first trimester is the MOST important. TELL THESE WOMEN TO GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER AND GET SOME HELP OR GET SOME BIRTH CONTROL. Make a bill against it somehow where fetus' are screened perhaps at birth. I don't know. Make it a part of the prebirth process. Can you screen then? Get these mothers some services, some help. I'm ALL FOR women's rights, but what about a child's rights. Heck, threaten to tie some tubes if they continue these antics child after child. Put them in jail with counseling. It's abuse. Some people should NOT have children. It's time to have a hotline to NARK on people. Child Protective Servies BEFORE the baby is born. Getting a fetal alcohol child to attend to writing can be HARD. Getting them to be nice to others can be HARD. You want to reduce violence in schools, address this issue. You want to increase MEAP scores. Address this issue. Screen for lead at school with County Health Department coming right there. Put the word out on fetal alcohol. Inform and SHAME these people about fetal alcohol. Get right in their faces. Do whatever you have to. Doctors can screen when the child is born. Make it the law. Make it covered by insurance. Transfer the results straight to that kid's school file. Let the teachers know what is up right from the start. This is a real problem and part of the reason we don't have more kids graduating from high school.

and give talks to teachers, students and especially PARENTS about how gangs work and recruit. Give these adults no excuse to NOT HAVE SEEN IT COMING when one of their kids joins a gang. They need to see the signs right away.

parents being charged with the task of KNOWING WHERE THEIR KIDS ARE AT ALL TIMES! METH KIDS. Wonder what the babies of all these meth addict adults are going to act like? Can't wait to see that. Schools/police need to be experts on gang culture and SHARE THIS INFORMATION WITH THE PUBLIC. TONS OF INFORMATION. Prevention for this next generation.

Make teachers and parents aware. Create your own symbolism with a powerful message of success and belonging.

with our tax money. Check out how many people in jails have lead poisoning and fetal alcoholism. Is there a correlation? You might not want to hear the answer. Bet there is. Interview/research gang members in jail. How old were you when you were recruited? WHY did you join? What problems were going on in your family? What were the family dynamics/makeup at the time? Where were your parents when you were recruited? Where you at school? Where were you when you were sexed in? What grade? How old? Where were your parents when you were sexed in? Where did they think you were when you were sexed in? Where you on birth control when you were sexed in? Are you a college graduate? Were you ever retained? Check their literacy levels. Screen them for lead poisoning. Do they have AIDS? How many children do they have? Are they in school? How old were you when you sexed girls into gangs? How old are the boys/men that sex girls into gangs? Where does it happen? Those would be some good questions to start with. Everything I've seen on gangs on tv so far has been about men. What would happen to gangs IF you kept the girls from joining through PREVENTION?

they are BEATEN IN. they allow themselves to be beaten up by all the gang members, one at a time, and as a group, to show their loyalty to the gang. sometimes they don't survive the ordeal. in comparison, the women have it easy. it is still a legal problem. it's not illegal to be part of a gang, but it is illegal to do the activities that the group does. gang members who get caught do not 'rat' on fellow gang members.

Just a few points I feel that I need to address in your post. 1. Medical information can not be sent to the schools without written permission from the parents due to privacy issues. 2. Yes, children with fetal alcohol syndrome can qualify for special education services. They are looked at on a case by case basis as are all children being considered for special education. 3. Yes, there are certain symptoms that indicate a child has FAS (I believe that there may be a national organization that maintains a website if you are interested in further information.) but diagnosis of FAS is not something that the schools can do. 4. Unfortunately, you can't legislate that pregnant women care about their babies. Some will drink because they want to. Some will drink because they are alcoholics.

Degrading. Are there laws against this stuff? Ought to be for underage kids. Stiff penalties. Tethers and the like. Fines for parents?

Opinion, I suppose. A problem for our state either way.

Not a pretty future. Yes, a problem for middle class white girls, too. Believe it or not.

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Gangs definitely don't help us with our goal to have every child graduate. Hard to graduate when you are dead, pregnant, dying of AIDS.

and defeat the problem. Have cops waiting there at the sex in parties. Busting people. Fining parents. Tethers all around!