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Latest post 09-25-2012 9:04 PM by victor88. 4,344 replies.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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People's homes were there......
thank you I think you need a good dose of reality along with your other buddies. Do yourself a favor and get Spike Lee's documentary on hurricane Katrina-when the levees broke four hours of interviews with residents-white and black, who give you a really raw description of what they know and they live there.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Actually from the sound....
of it we ought to watch you you rant and rave kinda like the VT killer spewing a whole lot of hate to people you don't even know. You need therapy from the sounds of it and while your at it anger management. You have to cuss to get your point across? You have to degrade people you don't even know? You have to wish bad on other's to make yourself feel better? Well I'll tell you one thing karma can be a b***h and with any justice you'll see his cellie first and then you can be known as "just another gay republican conservative" oh but wait I think thats been used by the current administration already.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Read really slow I'll......
try to go really slow for you. 1. Yes it is hard to find a job even after 1 felony that will support you so are you prepared to give those with 1 felony a job if not you are part of the reoffender problem.2. Yes alot of them have had no family support and are uneducated and yes have made a bad choice but that does not mean that with rehabilitation and counseling that they can't become the opposite. 3. I'm glad that you realize that 60% of inmates who are incarcerated for long periods of time begin to think of this as home so maybe you can be part of the solution to break this way of thinking instead of just bitching on this site about it. 4. If it is any of your buisness my situation is that my stepson died from an accidental drowning at age 12 on a school field trip. The chaperone watching the pool could not swim and therefore watched him drown and when pulled out left him choking on his own vomit on the side of the pool naked. Got it so far? So afterwards my husband in his thirties a good father a full time manager who has worked since age 16 and never been in trouble with the law began drinking heavily to stop the nightmares he was having about his son screaming for his help while drowning. We tried helplessly to get him help but his anger at the situation and the fact that noone was held responsible and that he could not bring his son back grew. We tried talking, intervention, counseling, and nothing worked he had been totally consumed with this death. So when he got into an argument with someone he beat them up badily but in the town of monroe where just being black is a jailable enough offense so that coupled with the incident got him on a first offense five years minimum. Now I'm not excusing what he did and contrary to what you might think neither is he. He has finished his classes (assault offenders, substance abuse) and had no incidents while incarcerated he has worked everyday to deal and come to grips with his sons death, and has began to map out a plan to own his own buisness when he is released. He reads self help books attends meetings and we visit him every other week. He is extremely remorseful for what he did and if he could he would change it but he can't. Do I want these bills for him and those like him-YES do I think I'm wrong for this-NO because there are alot of people who can change and who's situation is not just black and white there are alot of inmates who do what they are suppose to do and who want to come out and do well so five days off every month to me is not that much especially when its only for those who are trying to do right.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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try to go really slow for you. 1. Yes it is hard to find a job even after 1 felony that will support you so are you prepared to give those with 1 felony a job if not you are part of the reoffender problem.
[it's very hard to find a job in michigan even if you are NOT a felon. that is a fact. just because you are a felon doesn't mean that ANYONE SHOULD JUST GIVE YOU A JOB. a job is EARNED. everyone else does it, felons just have another obstacle to overcome, it really sucks that they put those extra obstacles in their own path.]
2. Yes alot of them have had no family support and are uneducated and yes have made a bad choice but that does not mean that with rehabilitation and counseling that they can't become the opposite.
[no family support has NOTHING to do with it. millions of people have no family support and THEY don't commit crimes. stop using lack of family support as an excuse to commit crimes. it doesn't work.
being uneducated is HIS FAULT, as he was offered a FREE EDUCATION that he didn't take advantage of, and the MILLIONS OF UNEDUCATED PEOPLE are getting pretty pissed that you are using SELF INFLICTED IGNORANCE as an excuse to commit crimes.
you DID hit the third one RIGHT ON THE HEAD. they ALL make bad choices, some make MANY OF THEM. did those BAD CHOICES make them bad people?
YES. that's why we put them in jail.]
3. I'm glad that you realize that 60% of inmates who are incarcerated for long periods of time begin to think of this as home so maybe you can be part of the solution to break this way of thinking instead of just bitching on this site about it.
[are you suggesting that we don't incarcerate prisoners? NO.
are you suggesting that we make prison more HOME LIKE? NO.
how about we make prison SO VILE AND REPUGNANT that no SANE person would EVER WANT TO GO THERE?
i'd say that sounds like a GOOD IDEA.]
4. If it is any of your buisness my situation is that my stepson died from an accidental drowning at age 12 on a school field trip. The chaperone watching the pool could not swim and therefore watched him drown and when pulled out left him choking on his own vomit on the side of the pool naked. Got it so far?
[yeah, i got that your husband experienced a truama, so have millions of other people. it's what he DID about it that makes your husband an inmate.]
So afterwards my husband in his thirties a good father a full time manager who has worked since age 16 and never been in trouble with the law began drinking heavily to stop the nightmares he was having about his son screaming for his help while drowning. We tried helplessly to get him help but his anger at the situation and the fact that noone was held responsible and that he could not bring his son back grew. We tried talking, intervention, counseling, and nothing worked he had been totally consumed with this death.
[everything good so far... let's see what happens next.]
So when he got into an argument with someone he beat them up badily[THIS sounds like the product of a RATIONAL THOUGHT PROCESS, don't you think? didn't any of the counselors label him a danger to himself and others?] but in the town of monroe where just being black is a jailable enough offense [another excuse, it's racially offensive and UNTRUE, so stop using it.] so that coupled with the incident got him on a first offense five years minimum. [again, using his race as an excuse is vile and reprehensible, and i'm sure your son would be offended by it. your husband got five years because he DESERVED five years.]
Now I'm not excusing what he did and contrary to what you might think neither is he. [no, you aren't excusing what he did, you are just asking US TO. you want us to make it legal to let him go free before his sentence is up.] He has finished his classes (assault offenders, substance abuse) and had no incidents while incarcerated he has worked everyday to deal and come to grips with his sons death, and has began to map out a plan to own his own buisness when he is released. He reads self help books attends meetings and we visit him every other week. He is extremely remorseful for what he did and if he could he would change it but he can't.
[his opportunity to change came exactly when EVERY OTHER OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE did, just BEFORE he committed his crime. he didn't take advantage of it. he didn't do what MILLIONS OF OTHER REASONABLE PEOPLE IN HIS SITUATION DID. no he is NOT the first person to lose a son tragically, and he won't be the last, but he took his grief out on an innocent person, violently. where would YOU have been if that innocent person would have killed him while defending his life from him? you would have TWO deaths to deal with. he never thought of THAT either, did he?]
Do I want these bills for him and those like him-YES do I think I'm wrong for this-NO [of course you don't] because there are alot of people who can change and who's situation is not just black and white [it's funny that you mention 'BLACK AND WHITE' here, as you tried to make this a BLACK AND WHITE thing earlier. make up your mind to quit using race as an excuse.]
there are alot of inmates who do what they are suppose to do and who want to come out and do well so five days off every month to me is not that much especially when its only for those who are trying to do right.
[but it's NOT just for those who are "DOING RIGHT", it's now for EVERY INMATE, NO MATTER WHAT. i'd be a lot more supportive of it if it WERE just for those with no disciplinary time. that little bit has been taken out by the AMENDMENT TO THE BILL. it's not FAIR that violent offenders get the benefit of this bill, it's not FAIR that disciplinary offenders get the benefit of this bill.]
when you are in jail, it's A LITTLE TOO LATE TO START DOING THE 'RIGHT THING'. he SHOULD have been doing the right thing all along, like millions of others who aren't in jail. he made a SERIES OF BAD DECISIONS. he took a tragedy and, instead of seeking justice, took violence on an innocent.
in every death penalty case, the victims family is denied justice for at least twenty years. imagine being consumed with the death of your loved one for that long, waiting for justice, for closure. some NEVER GET IT.
what your husband did wasn't what he SHOULD have done. he violated society as much as he violated the victim of his wrath. that victim will have to live forever wondering what HE did to deserve the beating that he got. you will have to live forever wondering if the next beating he gives will be YOURS.
no amount of rehabilitation will stop that.
no amount of education will stop that.
no amount of counseling will stop that.
think about that as you fall asleep next to him every night.
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crazycajun



- Joined on 11-22-2008
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version of the events.
i live there. i saw what happened.
the reason you don't hear much about new orleans now is that the black people are ashamed of their black mayor.
HE let the people back in, instead of making them stay out for a week like the federal government asked him to.
HE allowed thousands of people to die.
HE ordered peoples UNDAMAGED homes to be ransacked, looking to ILLEGALLY CONFISCATE LEGALLY OWNED WEAPONS.
HE should be tried and jailed, but he won't, because he's black.
and the governor, "blank stare" blanco should be right beside him.
you have a lot of nerve complaining about what happens in THAT chocolate city when you won't take care of what's happening in YOURS.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun



- Joined on 11-22-2008
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i visit new orleans at least once a month, sometimes more.
i plan on moving back as soon as my house is finished.
i'm going back next week to attend my daughters wedding.
you couldn't investigate your way out of the mens room.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun



- Joined on 11-22-2008
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i hired ten people from michigan to come down work on my house.
they are having a ball... and being paid well.
two of them have bought land and are working to build their own homes there. at least there is WORK there. you may want to look into it when all the jobs are gone here.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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you, in your LIMITED experience have observed inconsistancies where actually none exist.
i am in contact with several people who came up here from louisiana, most from the new orleans area, who ALL bounce back and forth from here to there.
that has NOTHING to do with the truthfulness of the people, and i wonder what YOUR problem is for thinking so.
also, it is RUDE to refer to a poster as "IT".
or didn't your mother teach you that?
obviously not.
as a retired state employee, i'm ashamed that one of our schools turned out someone as uneducated and insensitive as you.
you obviously have nothing better to say, other than to tear down those that disagree with you.
i believe that the term TROLL fits YOU BEST.
i've been to new orleans several times, before and after the storm. i plan on going several times more. i have tickets to the JAZZ AND HERITAGE FESTIVAL and am looking forward to staying with one of the families that i met when i travelled there to help after the storm.
after listening to your rude remarks, i might just have to change my mind and buy some property their myself. hurricanes are better than the bunch of windbags in michigan.
lynn kangas.
rose city, michigan.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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the poster who stated that "being black was almost a jailable offense" threw my family into a fit of rage.
i'm personally insulted that this woman, in this day and age would use the color of her skin to excuse violent behavior in her husband.
i'm also personally insulted that this woman would use the lack of a FREE EDUCATION, to which everyone, regardless of skin color, has access to.
i'm insulted enough when WHITE PEOPLE do it to us, saying that 'simply because black people commit most of the crimes, ALL black people are criminals', it's EVEN MORE insulting when black people buy into this way of thinking.
i KNOW that a majority of black people are good, honest, hard working people. i also KNOW that there are those who are not. i don't allow MY OWN CHILDREN to use the color of their skin to keep them down, and i certainly won't accept anything less from any other black people.
we don't need you thinking and speaking like white people did before the emancipation proclamation, we need you thinking and speaking like we are PEOPLE. not better, not worse, but EQUAL.
how can we be equal if YOU DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE?
how can we teach our children to look the world in the eye if we ALSO teach them that they have three strikes against them before they open their mouths?
we don't need the 'WHITE DEVIL' to keep us down, people who think like this woman are doing a good enough job without them.
you just keep on believing that RACIST CRAP and someone will be teaching you how to pick cotten pretty soon.
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crazycajun



- Joined on 11-22-2008
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PROUD of them.
your houses here are close to sea level, if you live around the lake. they are also close to the arctic circle no matter where you live.
they have below ground basements because the houses are so small. people have 'michigan basements' that are all dirt, in the 21st century.
your houses have to have sump pumps, because you, no matter how high above SEA LEVEL you are, you are STILL BELOW YOUR WATER TABLE. so water seeps into your basements and only ruins the bottom half of your houses, causing them to lean.
you have industrial pollutants in your water, and idiots for elected officials. you have murderes in several of your largest cities, and the only SANE people (what few their are) live out in the hinterlands.
the people i've met in person have welcomed me warmly, and will miss me when i'm gone.
YOU on the other hand, were rude, crude, and socially unacceptable.
i'll move back to louisiana eventually, but i'll STILL keep in touch on this site, kinda like jim.
one of the first things i'm going to do after i move into my new house is go buy a new gun to protect it.
i'm going to decide to buy it in the morning, go to my gun shop that morning, enjoy a cup of coffee while i fill out the paperwork, and have the results of my instant background check before the second cup is finished.
then i'm going to take my gun to the range to sight it in, not to somebody who is going to register it for me.
and then i'm going to take it home and clean it, not to somebody else who is going to 'safety inspect' it and register it again.
on my way home, if somebody attempts to "car jack" me, i will be able to shoot him, because no only can i take my weapon with me ANYWHERE IN MY CAR, but I AM ALLOWED BY LAW TO SHOOT THE CAR JACKER.
then, if, when i get home, i discover a BURGLAR in my home, i can LEGALLY SHOOT HIM TOO, as we have a SHOOT THE BURGLAR LAW as well.
in any case, i am allowed to DEFEND MYSELF without having to RETREAT FIRST. all based on the BELIEF that my life is in danger.
i'll have fairs and festivals to go to for the rest of the year, then, in winter, when all the snow is piling up here, we will have ANOTHER MARDI GRAS. a three hundred plus year old tradition that even a hurricane can't stop.
we enjoy good food, and good times, and to tell you the truth, are pretty damn suspicious of those who don't.
bon' chance.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun



- Joined on 11-22-2008
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the friends i've made here, but, in TRUE CAJUN FASHION, i'm inviting them to my home whenever they want to visit.
some are coming down for jazz fest, some are coming down for the bluegrass festival, some are coming down for the creole tomato festival, and a BUNCH are coming down for mardi gras.
it's gonna be a full house, but a happy one.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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uber-liberal


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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admit that i EVER WAS a liberal.
the ideals that i held dear have been trampled on by the representatives that were supposed to be SERVING ME.
our social services are a tangled mess, almost to the point of uselessness. our family courts are a JOKE.
our unemployment and welfare programs do not prepare people to return to work, they prime them for a lifetime living on the system.
our taxes are spent on ridiculous ideas like banning trapping, instead of fighting crime. more importance is put on the welfare of 'BIG EYED FURRY CRITTERS' as one poster called them than the HUMAN BEINGS who live in our cities.
our states energy is more directed towards PUNISHING PEOPLE for making money than it is to punishing the people who murder our children.
institutional ignorance, and arrogance is rampant in this state, and no amount of wishing will make that go away. only by voting for those who WILL change can we step out of this hell hole we have had created around us while we watched.
maybe it's the FACTORY MENTALITY that causes people to only look forward to QUITTING TIME.
we, as a people, allow ourselves to QUIT CARING far too easily. we constantly moan about how NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.
WELL, IF NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT A PROBLEM THAT IS ENTIRELY CORRECT.
if ALL OF US worked to SOLVE THE PROBLEM, and quit accepting the nay-sayers and money hoarders advice, we could fix all the problems in michigan in a few years.
it would be tough, we'd all have to become MORE RESPONSIBLE for what we say, do, and the laws we enact.
we couldn't just 'pass the buck' and quit like we used to.
i don't know about you, but I'M not giving up, and if it takes voting for a republican conservative to get the job done, i'm willing to make THAT sacrifice too.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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that an education wasn't AVAILABLE in jail.
i though you said that the state DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO FUND THE NECESSARY CLASSES.
then, this woman says that her husband not only got the necessary courses, but EARNED A DEGREE AT STATE EXPENSE.
so, which if you is LYING?
i have to believe that if the state is paying over a hundred dollars a day to keep inmates, that they are EDUCATING THEM WITH SOME OF THAT MONEY.
now, do YOU want to pay for someone else's education, when you had to pay for your own (unless you defaulted on your student loans)?
i know that it's too much to expect that they should have taken advantage of educational opportunities BEFORE THEY WENT TO PRISON, and that it's completely out of the question to expect them to CONTINUE THEIR EDUCATION AFTER THEY ARE RELEASED.
they, by several poster's own admission, are too ignorant, poor, and set in their ways to do anything else but commit crimes.
all we can do is release them early again when they return to jail and give them a fifty third "SECOND CHANCE".
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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with such INCONSISTENCIES
in your stories, i don't believe anything you say anymore.
the inmates are lounging around in well lit, well ventilated, heated and cooled cells, eating gourmet meals, and enjoying conjugal visits every friday and saturday night.
you guys CAN'T GET YOUR STORIES STRAIGHT, so you must all be lying.
that seems to be the way things are around here. if it works for you, it will certainly work for me.
live with it.
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