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especially in town driving. The helmet limits view and can distract hearing of side road vehicles. I have ridden motorcycle for several years. I have been to many places that helmets are not a law. and have decided on not wearing one due primarely that hearing and vision is obstructed. I notice that any way of attention from other drivers, is the first line defence. I say let the rider decide.

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All arguments aside, Pros - Cons. The Bottom Line Is Freedom of Choice! The government is continually hacking away at our rights and freedom to peruse Life Liberty and Happiness. My right to choose how to live my life is being infringed upon. The government should have no right to make me or any adult wear a helmet, seat-belt or any other personal safety device.

i do not think it should be a law its my choice if i want too or not. i would rather die then be a crip not able to do for myself and have family spend all the money they have on meds for me to live so give me the (((((choice ))))) Mr.M.D.Byrd

I just got back from Woodward Dream Cruise; and two tickets for not having my helmet. I was driving my Ural with sidecar. I couldn't believe that the city has the money to spend on two officers and a dog to give out tickets for no helmits. Everywhere we went people were taking our pictures; and it was just a better picture without the helmit; it was a perade. we were doing 15 - 20 MPH! While I wated for my ticket I noted the farmer on his tractor; no helmit. By the way, did you know that farming is one of the most dangerous professions there is? I also noted many mopeds riding up down Woodward. They were great as they used both the sidewalks and the road and didn't need a helmet I was informed! Cool, I need to get one of those soon! Just on a lark I went out to see how much one would cost and how fast they would go. They can reach speeds of 60 miles an hour! Gosh, that's for me! I can do 60, without a helmet, and use the sidewalks as well! Heck, my Ural has a top speed of 52.5 MPH going downhill with a tail wind. Sorry if my spelling is poor, and I seem to skip around; I am still confused by the lack of uniformity in our laws. I know why it is that people are not passing police millages; they are tired of having punitive laws passed that benefit the insurance industry or helmet manufactures at the expense of my liberty; my freedom. I remember what it was like when the police were respected, when they were a part of the community. Now they are another branch of government assigned to collect. The motto serve and protect has been replaced with secure and collect; just another form of revenue enhancement and behavior modification. It amazes and terrifies me when I see just how many of our presonal liberties have been taken away in thee past 30 years; I am 58. I fear that my children will not realize just how much they have lost. Qwill

Michigan Law (at least used to) define "motorcycle" under two thresholds: (1) Engine size/horsepower; (2) Attainable speed. The speed threshold is in the low thirties. Unless the scooter you describe is specifically exempt or there has been a recent change in the law, your 60 mph moped is, by definition, a "motorcycle" under Michigan Law.

you are not alone in your distaste for law enforcement. i'm 55 years old. i remember when the police DID help and protect. now days the way they are trained it's shoot first, ask later. they will tell you there are no quotas for tickets. yeah right. if everone in the state went one day with out a ticket, it would throw lansing a pretty big blow. not to mention the countys. the revenue from tickets funds things like liberary, womens defense funds, the judge, etc. how can a ticket in 1965 for 5 mph over the limit go from $13.00, to $100.00 in 2005 ? it's all about the MONEY. the state of michigan has figured out that they can run this like a business and they keep all the profit. the thing about the moped. alot of people are hurt on mopeds without helmets, kids included. the speeds of mopeds are usually 30 mph and under. these injurys are usually listed with bicycles as alot of them are not licenced. we had a man killed this a.m. in grand rapids. he was wearing a helmet. they never tell you the cause of death. thats because the leading cause of death in a motorcycle accident is blunt trama to the torso. to which a helmet does no good. i love this state, but hate the state it's in.

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all the IMPROVEMENTS that the democrats on this thread, and others, promised when the democrats took over? they are NON-EXISTANT. we still have high taxes. we still have businesses leaving in droves. we still have DO NOTHING GOVERNMENT. NOTHING HAS CHANGED, where is the improvement. YOU promised it. DELIVER!!!

you are an antsy little squirt, aren't you the democans have been in control of only one Michigan legislative house for a week, and the legislature hasn't even convened its 2007-08 session yet. but already you're tossing out inaninties like, "where are all all the IMPROVEMENTS that the democrats on this thread, and others, promised when the democrats took over?" for crying out loud, give 'em a chance to at least get started before you tee off on the new guys with your criticisms. otherwise you make yourself out to be nothing more than a shrill idiot.

been in charge of the executive for more than four years. you defending her (and the rest of the democrats) so single mindedly makes YOU sound like an automaton for the democratic party. the governor only has a few more months to make good on her promise from the FIRST election over four years ago, it went something like... "in five years, you'll be blown away." she's done NOTHING so far to blow me away. CHASE ME AWAY, MAYBE, but blow me away, not...

to other posters as "antsy little squirts"? kind of RUDE, don't you think? but then, liberal democrats never were much on the social graces. more proof of the mental disorder.

think that a democratically controlled state will LOWER TAXES??? democrats are the party of TAX & SPEND. our little SINGLE STATE RECESSION is proof positive. jennie isn't talking about improvements, shes talking about HIGHER TAXES. thank you, democrats. now i have less money to spend. my time and effort are now WORTH LESS. my rights are being trampled on as well.

testy little bugger, aren’t you on top of being an antsy little squirt and don’t call anyone rude for telling it like it is when you incessantly refer to liberals as being mentally diseased

it like it is. you are living proof. sometimes the truth hurts.

maybe you should stop proving him right so very often.

little liberal, aren't you?

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