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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>“Take It Outside”</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/22.aspx</link><description>Discussions completely unrelated to public policy issues.</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008 (Debug Build: 30417.1769)</generator><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/275516.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:09:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:275516</guid><dc:creator>Al T</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/275516.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=275516</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Take a look at this website and you will see what one side of patriotism stands for.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;http://oathkeepers.blog.com/&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/275352.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:29:41 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:275352</guid><dc:creator>bugman</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/275352.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=275352</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;I&amp;#39;m baaaccckkk ... &lt;img src="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/emoticons/emotion-5.gif" alt="Wink" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/274076.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:59:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:274076</guid><dc:creator>bugman</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/274076.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=274076</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;patriotism is doing what is good for the country as a whole, not your particular little slice of the country. it means making sacrifices for the good of the country, not the good of any one group. this sacrifice is freely given by patriots every day. as evidenced by our all volunteer military, our incredible donations to charity by ordinary citizens, and by our willingness to help others in need. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it should not need to&amp;nbsp;be mandated by law, but should remain guided by the individual. sacrifices for the&amp;nbsp;good of others also requires that those who benefit from the sacrifices&amp;nbsp;do what is necessary&amp;nbsp;for those sacrifices to not to have been made in vain. &amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273251.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:55:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273251</guid><dc:creator>bugman</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273251.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273251</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;that must make socialism the ultimate perversion of patriotism.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273161.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:02:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273161</guid><dc:creator>uber-liberal</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273161.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273161</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;viva la revolution.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273154.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:44:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273154</guid><dc:creator>stingray_3440</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273154.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273154</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;Thought experiments my a_ss. The country has HAD IT with these nit wits. Dem&amp;#39;s, repub&amp;#39;s - its all the same CRAP. We&amp;#39;re MAD AS HELL and we&amp;#39;re not gonna take it anymore. NO more talk. Action baby, action.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The&amp;#39;re yapp&amp;#39;in in your left ear while&amp;nbsp;their hands are RIPPING off of our OWN money, posessions, and all of our childrens money and future. BS! Grow a pair and give them a swift kick in the a_ss. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lets see if the MSM covers the over 150 tax day rallies. Doubt it, scumbags. As one famous movie put it &amp;quot;your not going to figure out you have a problem until its swims up and bites you on the A_SS&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Consider this a gash!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273144.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:50:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273144</guid><dc:creator>uber-liberal</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273144.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273144</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;already am. thanks. i am seriously considering moving south myself. my job is hanging by a thread. every new tax is a couple more layoffs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;till then, we may as well engage the left in a few &amp;#39;thought experiments&amp;#39;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273139.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:44:55 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273139</guid><dc:creator>stingray_3440</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273139.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273139</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;Quit bitching and start acting - There are 100&amp;#39;s of these all over the nation. Put your ass in gear and get one going for the areas in MI.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would but the b_itch killed my job and now I live it FL.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.reteaparty.com/"&gt;http://www.reteaparty.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.teapartyrevolution.com"&gt;www.teapartyrevolution.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://newamericanteaparty.com"&gt;http://newamericanteaparty.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.taxdayteaparty.com"&gt;http://www.taxdayteaparty.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273138.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:42:59 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273138</guid><dc:creator>uber-liberal</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273138.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273138</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;does patriotism mean fealty to the government as opposed to fidelity to the government? does it mean absolute obedience? does it mean total sacrifice of everything you own and hold dear to the government? does it even mean allegience to the government.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273095.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:04:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273095</guid><dc:creator>uber-liberal</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273095.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273095</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;it&amp;#39;s amazing how often you&amp;#39;ve commented on this pointless thread, tb.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273094.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:02:28 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273094</guid><dc:creator>gypsy</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273094.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273094</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/Themes/leanandgreen/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;TrueBlue:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/Themes/leanandgreen/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;gypsy:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Patriotism: &amp;quot;The last refuge of the scoundrel.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;That is incorrect. You confuse nationalism with patriotism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nationalism is the perversion of the virtue of patriotism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you for explaining the point I was making. To some it would not be quite so obvious.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273093.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:01:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273093</guid><dc:creator>uber-liberal</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273093.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273093</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;so you&amp;#39;re paranoid too... i wouldn&amp;#39;t have thought it. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273087.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:08:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273087</guid><dc:creator>TrueBlue</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273087.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273087</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/Themes/leanandgreen/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;uber-liberal:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;some would define patriotism as the love of and devotion to one&amp;#39;s country, and the willingness to make sacrifices for that country.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style="CLEAR:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;Not bad&amp;nbsp; Uber/Crazyc,&amp;nbsp; best answer you have ever given.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273086.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:06:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273086</guid><dc:creator>TrueBlue</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273086.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273086</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/Themes/leanandgreen/images/icon-quote.gif"&gt; &lt;strong&gt;gypsy:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Patriotism: &amp;quot;The last refuge of the scoundrel.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style="CLEAR:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;That is incorrect. You confuse nationalism with patriotism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nationalism is the perversion of the virtue of patriotism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In anycase this thread is pointless.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In reply to the question, &amp;quot;What is patriotism&amp;quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It does not require an opinion, it requires a definition, and that can be found in a dictionary.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pffft !&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Waste of time.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: what is patriotism?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273068.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:49:46 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:273068</guid><dc:creator>gypsy</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/273068.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=22&amp;PostID=273068</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Patriotism: &amp;quot;The last refuge of the scoundrel.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>