Political Discussions

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

crazycajun — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:23:35 GMT

by the way, european countries have used vouchers for decades. german vouchers will even allow you to send your "kinderen" to religious schools.

such PROGRESSIVE people, those darn europeans...

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

crazycajun — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:20:14 GMT

all editing is self interested.

the new york times editing is self interested in the liberal democrat point of view.

the washington post editing is self interested in the liberal democrat point of view.

the fox news editing is self interested in the conservative republican point of view.

see how that works???

wiki also openly requests MORE information, MORE points of view, MORE opinions, and is happy to point out when an article may be slanted one way or another. such honesty is rare in today's media.

wiki also presents views from around the world. it's sometimes refreshing to read direct rebuttals to common myths espoused about how european countries are so superior to the united states. i especially like the setting straight of the MYTH that healthcare is universal in europe. EMERGENCY HEALTH CARE IS GRANTED TO EVERY CITIZEN, just like here. but when you are sent "up to the wards" as they say, that's when the billing begins. read it for yourself. it's all over the place.

why do you think the brits have such horrible teeth? british dentistry is out of the financial reach of the average brit. how is that possible with universal health care, you say? look it up for yourself.

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

jmangan — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:28:04 GMT

Here's one about wikipedia. I thought everyone knew this.

In the summer of 2007, a computer science student created a tool allowing the IP address of anonymous editors of the site to be easily checked; the tool, Wikiscanner, quickly exposed examples of self-interested editing by prominent businesses and governments around the world. Wikipedia's leaders hailed the device as another check on abuse at the site, even if it produced some embarrassing headlines for a time. — Noam Cohen, Oct. 18, 2007

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

crazycajun — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:25:26 GMT

here's one from wikipedia.

"a recent publication by the United States Department of Education has admitted that the average cost of public education per pupil is slightly more than double the cost per pupil of a private education, even though public schools have more students per teacher. Thus, there was no economy of scale as the per pupil cost should theoretically decline the more students there are per teacher."

so much for the left's idea of the public school system as being PERFECT. why should taxpayers be forced to pay double the cost for an inferior product?

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

crazycajun — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:14:09 GMT

according to the website cityofboston.com,

"The first public school in America was established by Puritan settlers in 1635 in the home of Schoolmaster Philemon Pormont and was later moved to School Street. "

lets see....

the first PUBLIC school was established by a RELIGIOUS LEADER, IN HIS PRIVATE HOME.

i wonder if his puritanical views were tought in the curriculum?

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

crazycajun — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:06:15 GMT

"School vouchers are simply another entitlement and wealth transfer program concocted by social planners."

and, AS A DEMOCRAT, your problem with this is.......????

social security, A.F.D.C., welfare, etc. etc. etc.

you don't seem to have a problem with THOSE entitlement and wealth transfer programs concocted by social planners.

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

crazycajun — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:03:29 GMT

wrong...

the TRULY conservative thing to do is ALLOW EVERY FAMILY TO DECIDE WHERE THEIR CHILD WILL ATTEND SCHOOL, and pay tuition to that school.

the government need not be involved.

that way, the finest schools would succeed, and the poorest schools would fail. no government interference artificially propping up mediocre schools in the name of FAIRNESS.

if every kid's parents paid tuition to their chosen school, they would increase the DIRECT FUNDING OF THEIR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION, and decrease the 'so much per student, but some students get more' mentality of the current regime.

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

SaneMichigander — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:46:37 GMT

School vouchers are simply another entitlement and wealth transfer program concocted by social planners.

The truly conservative thing to do, when it comes to public school finance, is to tax families with offspring up to age 26 (which is the cutoff for public schooling obligations) and relieve everyone else of school tax burdens. This would have enormous societal benefits in many ways.

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

KatMac — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:18:18 GMT

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!sounds like blue and his buddies want everything handed to them. Bring back family values /morals-parents and caregivers start holding themselves and their children responsible and people may be surprised at how many children actually succeed in life............

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

crazycajun — Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:54:37 GMT

don't expect an answer anytime soon.

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

Michpatriot — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:12:26 GMT

Why do you lefties hate children? If you don't kill them in the womb you sentence them to a life sentence in the public school system as fodder for the teachers unions.

You say

"The rich guys kid is ALREADY in private school ...... so......he gets a VOUCHER.'

I say

Most kids in private schools aren't rich. Most are middle class kids whose parents want them to do well. All I want is part of the money that goes down the black hole we call schools so that my kids can have a better chance.

It is reimbursed from the taxes that are taken from me.

The regular guy would pull his kid out of the public indoctrination center real quick if he could even get half of what they say they spend per kid at the public school.

The only reason to fight vouchers is that you either hate kids, love teachers unions and their lackies or are afraid too many kids would end up in church schools and get some morals which would be the death of the democrat/socialist party within one generation.

C'mon, which is it blue boy??

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

crazycajun — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:02:57 GMT

jmangan:

crazycajun:
the vouchers are NOT REIMBURSED OUT OF SCHOOL MONEY, THEY ARE REIMBURSED OUT OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY.

So the money that this taxpayer would have paid to the school system, instead goes to a private education firm, resulting in less money for the public schools.

<NOW you're catching on.>

The republican beast (the private sector) is thus fed, and as trueblue states, the regular guy isn't able to write a check for 10 grand,

<the 'regular guy' doesn't have to write a check for ten grand, the 'regular guy' just puts in for a voucher for the private school, the 'regular guy' gets to use some of his OWN tax money to pay for what he considers a SUPERIOR EDUCATION. no, it isn't FAIR to the public schools, but then again, public schools aren't fair to the parents who want to give their children the best education they can afford.>

and now the school his kid goes to gets less money,

<how do you figure?>

so it gets worse. More food for the republican beast, by keeping the poor uneducated, therefore more likely to vote for republicans.

<again, how do you figure? the "poor" almost unanimously vote for democrats and their 'gimme' policies.>

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

jmangan — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:42:36 GMT

crazycajun:
the vouchers are NOT REIMBURSED OUT OF SCHOOL MONEY, THEY ARE REIMBURSED OUT OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY.

So the money that this taxpayer would have paid to the school system, instead goes to a private education firm, resulting in less money for the public schools.

The republican beast (the private sector) is thus fed, and as trueblue states, the regular guy isn't able to write a check for 10 grand, and now the school his kid goes to gets less money, so it gets worse. More food for the republican beast, by keeping the poor uneducated, therefore more likely to vote for republicans.

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

crazycajun — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:12:00 GMT

sorry, vlee74, but this state doesn't trust you spending YOUR MONEY to educate YOUR CHILD.

perhaps one day they will...

we'll keep trying.

Re: Vouchers- Another Republican Scam.

VLEE74 — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:26:37 GMT

Hello... I have been trying to find information on the school voucher... can you tell me how i might go about receiving this type of voucher.. is it for any grade.. are their many qualifications to meet? Any info you can give would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks