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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Civil Law</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/18.aspx</link><description>Torts, Family Law</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008 (Debug Build: 30417.1769)</generator><item><title>I live with "understanding"</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243571.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:09:12 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:243571</guid><dc:creator>Podolak</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243571.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=243571</wfw:commentRss><description>I know full well the state of the current law.  My daughter and I spent 4 years together before we were separated by this law.  A few things didn't go like her mother wished so she hired a new lawyer. The new guy also understood the current law and instructed her to use this law to remove me from the picture.  Before making the final decision, the judge in the case stated he was sickened by the decision but his hands were tied by this law.  This took place over two years ago.  Have you seen your kids in the last two years?</description></item><item><title>17 years of uncertany</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243572.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:16:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:243572</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243572.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=243572</wfw:commentRss><description>With 2 children by my ex-wife that admits to having unprotected sex with 5 men in the 2.5 years we were married, I now look at my children and seeing someone else in thier eyes. Fotc siad I wasn't allowed DNA test.
Bullies, that's what they are. Now I'm finacially broke and can't afford a normal life.
Why punish if they could prevent?</description></item><item><title>wrong</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243570.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:21:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:243570</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243570.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=243570</wfw:commentRss><description>All these comments are ridiculous. None of the posters understand the current state of the law or the potential consequences of the proposed bill.</description></item><item><title>Limitations to a Putative Father</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243569.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:54:47 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:243569</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243569.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=243569</wfw:commentRss><description>Under this bill, a putative father would only be able to sue for paternity if the mother had been cooperating.  The loosest set of circumstances allows for a putative father to sue for paternity if the mother has acknowledged, in writing, the biological relationship of the putative father, and the putative father has demonstrated parenting time with the child.  This seems simple, but neither of these things can be done without the mother's cooperation.

I submit for your consideration the situation in which a man father's a child with a married woman under the understanding the the marriage is ending.  After the child is conceived, however, the husband and wife renew their relationship and dismiss the true father.  The father would have no rights, and gets to spend the rest of his life hoping the generosity of the couple will allow him to at least see his child.  Being a man in exactly this situation, I can tell you that I haven't seen much of that generosity.

I understand that laws can't simply allow any man off the street to file for paternity.  The court system might be flooded with all of the irresponsible men out there just aching to pay child support.  Or, god forbid, I might actually get to meet my daughter without having to worry about a restraining order.

Please stop dragging your feet on this bill.  Give men some rights to their children, and then pass the bill.  As it is, the putative father may as well not be able to sue for paternity, because he still requires the mother's cooperation.  Give him some rights, too.</description></item><item><title>thanks to McManus</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243568.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:38:29 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:243568</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243568.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=243568</wfw:commentRss><description>9-10-2008  Bill 506 needs to be passed so it will allow the right thing to be done about the biological father's rights and not someone just being a father figure for the child. I hope Michelle McManus is working further to making this bill a law.  It will be very backward if nothing gets done on a timely basis.  Each of us living and reading this were a child at one time.. Yes, this is very important to make right and make this bill a law.  You could have been one of these children...  I am saying this to make you people that have the control of making this law happen to think very serious about this bill and do something about it for the sake of all our children in the State of Michigan .. from a Northern Michigan Citizen</description></item><item><title>This language is confusing, REVISE</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243567.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:58:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:243567</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243567.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=243567</wfw:commentRss><description>What are you saying in plain English for the plain men and women of Michigan.</description></item><item><title>If she wants to have an abortion, no one should stand</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243566.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:56:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:243566</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243566.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=243566</wfw:commentRss><description>in the way</description></item><item><title>MANDATED DNA TEST LAW</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243565.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:26:49 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:243565</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243565.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=243565</wfw:commentRss><description>THAT IS TRUE THE COURTS SYSTEMS,JUDGES,FOC.FIA,ALL
ARE ALLOWING THE BIOLOGICAL FATHERS TO GO OUT AND 
FATHER MORE CHILDREN, THEN LEGISLATORS WONDER WHY
SO MANY CHILDREN ARE WITHOUT SUPPORT. DNA TEST HAS
TO BE INPUTED,AND JUDGES NEED TO FOLLOW THE LAW.
AND NOT JUST WHAT THERE BUDDYS AT FOC LAWYERS WANT.
YES ON A "LET THE FATHER FIT THE CHILD LAW".
EVERY MICH.CHILD BORN SHOULD HAVE A DNA TEST DONE.
MOTHER BETTER NAME FATHER,OR GET NO SUPPORT.</description></item><item><title>Let the father fit the child law</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243564.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:46:52 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:243564</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243564.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=243564</wfw:commentRss><description>John F.Mills(lawyer)said,"a child will be without childsupport,and no alternate means of support if a paternity laws change".  
NO NO if a mother names the real father,DNA test the child will have child support @ real dad that visits and all future children born in Michigan will have the lawful rights of child support.
""LET THE FATHER FIT THE CHILD LAW"
get it right the first time then there will not be so many child without suppport,or paternity lawsuits,or seems lawyers donot want a new law cause they would be out of a job????</description></item><item><title>GET THE REAL BIOLOGICAL FATHER TO PAY</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243563.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:46:02 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:243563</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243563.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=243563</wfw:commentRss><description>Court system,should allow men-husband-boyfriends
prove that they are or are not biological fathers
After all it is in the best interest of child to
have a legal biological father to pay child support and children should have a real father visits and  not just any man a mother want to be legal dad.
It is the duty of the mother to name father then the child support,normal visits for child.
STOP FRAUD by the court system underhanded mistakes. Senators must force courts to Paternity laws,blame the mother if they doNot name real birth Father of a child. LAZY COURTS
MEN WHO FATHER CHILDREN and BLAME ANOTHER MAN
COURTS ALLOW THOSE BIOLOGICAL MEN(fathers)TO GO OUT AND FATHER AGAIN WITHOUT PAYING.
So basicly courts,judges,legislators of Michigan are saying-its OK some innocent nonfather willPAY, 
PASS LAWS TO FORCE REAL FATHERS TO PAY,GET THE 
COURTS TO FOLLOW THE PATERNITY LAWS THAT ARE THERE
if a man only has a year to get justice,then a mother should only have a year to get the real father right ,to get child support money.
bottom line is children will NOT suffer if real 
father is forced to pay,fact is they will be better off in the long run. 
COURTS,FOC,FIA,JUDGES,MOTHERS MUST FOLLOW THE LAWS</description></item><item><title>WHAT YA WAIT'N FOR,??</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243562.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:18:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:243562</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/243562.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=243562</wfw:commentRss><description>The idea that a father-married or not can bring an
court action, finally someone gets it. Good part is
a man can action claim anytime,under certain cont.
until a child is 18. WISH ONLY TO SUE REAL FATHER.
WHAT ARE YA WAIT'N FOR NEW YEARS? OR MAYBE IF YA
WAIT TO LONG SOME DUHBAT WILL ADD MORE EXCEPTS OR 
MOTION DENIAL,OR SOME OTHER HAST OF JUSTICE TO ALL.
if only they would add 3 YEARS that would wake up
the truth to equal justice.</description></item><item><title>2007 Senate Bill 506 (Specify putative father paternity suit circumstances )</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/232425.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2001 05:00:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:232425</guid><dc:creator>admin</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/232425.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=232425</wfw:commentRss><description>Introduced in the Senate on May 16, 2007&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.michiganvotes.org/2007-SB-506'&gt;Click here to view bill details.&lt;/a&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>