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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Civil Law</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/18.aspx</link><description>Torts, Family Law</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008 (Debug Build: 30417.1769)</generator><item><title>Re: BEST INTEREST OF CHILD</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/271515.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:17:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:271515</guid><dc:creator>polarbear</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/271515.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=271515</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;Adoption code laws 710.56 are being used to place new laws into it.&amp;nbsp; To AMEND a ADD on would be right way to go. After all congress use adoption codes to sneek in hidden revises to please, a Add on should be put into Adption code laws , first degree grandparents adoption visitation without discrimination of maternal/paternal.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; yea wheres the aarp when ya need them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ParentRights should always be in place, So your right,if Parents/or courts place a GRANDCHILD up for adoption,parents rights are given up.&amp;nbsp; So legislature, needs to MODIFY adoption code, to input new law&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp; 710.56 (6)First degree Grandparents who adopt grandchild,be it Maternal,or paternal, this shallNOT prohibit either 1stdegree grandparents to visitation . Must be 1st.degree grandparent only. cause if a child is adopted direct new family thats it,no visits, but your right,if a child is adopted by GRandparents thats totally different,and child should have a right to keep that grandparent bond with other GRparents side&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are stepparent adoption codes,there are singleparent adoption laws,there is even a samesex partner adoption codes going on. Seem clear that GRANDPARENTS should have equal rights inputed into a NEW adoption code law to input visitation if a grandchild is adopted by another 1st.degree grandparent. Yes most states have that &amp;quot;except if a grandchild is adopted by grparent doesNot prohibit visitation petition, causeBEST interest of child would be placed above.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;YES on 710.56- addOn (6) Except if a grandchild is adopted by maternal or paternal 1st.degree grandparent this doesNot prohibit the right of either grandparent or grandchild to petition for continued visitation bond. Sounds fair honest ,best interest of child, now if we can plead ,beg, write common sense into the head of legislatures minds,without inputing parents rights,cause when a child is going to be adopted by grandparent, the birthparents rights are already out of picture,thereby this 710.56 addon should be intro into form.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;YES ON 710.56- Add-on a (6) EXCEPT IF A GRANDCHILD IS ADOPTED BY MATERNAL / PATERNAL 1st. DEGRE GRANDPARENTS&amp;nbsp; THIS DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE RIGHT OF EITHER FIRST DEGREE GRANDPARENTS OR GRANDCHILD TO PETITION FOR THE CONTINUED VISITATION BOND.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>You Don't Understand</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215571.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:38:16 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215571</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215571.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215571</wfw:commentRss><description>the all knowing all powerful nanny state knows what's best for all of us. Just submit to their will and we'll all be better off.</description></item><item><title>Grandparents Rights Bah Humbug</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215570.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:32:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215570</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215570.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215570</wfw:commentRss><description>Parents shouldn't be bashed here if they are acting in the best interest of their children.  Both sets of grandparents are important, I do agree. BUT... if one grandparent is mentally unstable and it is unsafe for the child to be in her care, why is it OK to allow her to petition for her rights. She has allowed one death in her home, why should my seven year old be put in this danger.  These laws need to be taken off the books and only nmediation allowed.  I am the ONLY person who can decide where my children are allowed to go.</description></item><item><title>BEST INTEREST OF CHILD</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215569.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:07:55 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215569</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215569.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215569</wfw:commentRss><description>Of course legislators been there done that thoughts will not even read these blogs to understand the true meaning of there mistakes under the grandparent laws.
 But then come election time the senators will NOT
get anymore votes from the "EXCEPT GRANDPARENTS" who have been left out of the New so called mess up visit laws. That does Not care about children.

Adoption of a grandchild prohibits visitation.
SEEMS ODD THEY DIDNOT INPUT THE WORDS EXCEPT IF A GRANDCHILD IS ADOPTED BY A GRANDPARENTS THIS DOES NOT PROHIBIT A GRANDPARENT FROM VISITS,like most normal states do. 
REVISE ADOPTION CODES INPUT "EXCEPT GRANDPARENTS"
ALL GRANDPARENTS ARE UNITED TO GET THIS NEW LAW SET, OR WILL BE NEW SENATORS VOTED IN THAT CAN.</description></item><item><title>NON equalJustice</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215568.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:57:44 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215568</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215568.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215568</wfw:commentRss><description>Senate Sanborn was so worried about his Lawyer buds
center,set a panic button off in legislation votes.
Wonder why Sanborn dislikes Senior's,now he's try'in 
to input a Bill to output "Disability" Cards ,
all persons having a card have to get it revised and
must prove all claims. Take away rights of children
,grandparents,disabled,now handicap.
Mr.Sanborn stop trying to help lawyers,help the 
helpless,if your not going to act in best interest as a senator,why do you expect anyone to vote for 
you next term,when you lead pack for nonEqualJustice</description></item><item><title>why are Mich.adoption laws discriminated</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215567.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:49:47 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215567</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215567.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215567</wfw:commentRss><description>grandp. are a needed used,until they are not needed anylonger then forced out of grandchilds life. How twofaced can legislation be? committee members,should have guideLines to visitation that must have best interest of child factors first,if child is the focus of Newlaws,legislature parents right refusal  overrides all other childs best interest factors.  only 1way recode adoptn codes.
aarp,childrightorg,let legislature go hogwild.
well,only category to allow "grandp.rights'back to 
the drawinboard,is to create NewLaw under Adoption
if a grandchild is adopted by relative or grandpar
shall not takeAway rights to visits that the child
had previous with relative or other grandpar sides
under best interest of child. Relative who adopt a
child is Not same as directAdoptions,should have a
clearly simple category addon,grandparent adoption
areNot new family Unit the granchild needs visits
from both, legislature should vote on revisebill
advance adoptioncodes,all they need is addon votes
entered under rules of directadoption,addon code6
cause grandpar adoption of grandchild should have
include right of grandchild other grandpar visits.
It does seem Mich.needs to advance in adopt areas,
it would be discrimination to all grandparents.
Mich.adoption laws need to be relegislated.addon's
grandp.who adopt grandchildren,previous visits by
either side,mat.or Pat. should have continuedvisit
Michigan needs to step up to normalplate REVOTE</description></item><item><title>mich. needs to revise adoption code,differ  input relative/gradparent</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215566.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:32:28 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215566</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215566.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215566</wfw:commentRss><description>NO one is trying to output ParentRights org. and 
there is NO mixed signals. Gradparents are trying
to get Legislature to understand that most normal 
states have already included,gradparents rights to
even under ADOPTION laws,cause you see,gradparents
who ADOPT gradChild,cut off VISITs legally,and the
state of Michigan is BEhide times unconstutitional
WE as Voters gradparents,childrenRights trying to in AMENDED addON only REVISE adoption code that states-adoption of child,prohibits gradparent to visitation. gradparent are Not directAdoption.

SHOULD READ-Adoption of child,prohibit gradparents
visits,EXCEPT if child is ADOPTED by GradParents.

Michigan has only provisions for DirectAdoptions
and thats discrimination,and harmful to childNeeds</description></item><item><title>Mich.aarp go/try again,grandchild needs both grandparents</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215565.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:40:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215565</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215565.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215565</wfw:commentRss><description>AARP attorneys,all states have said,they hope't the supreme courts would stay away from influnce of 2000 cases troxl,but NO.now all granparents must fight even harder,eroded events effects,cause Michigan s acting Unconstitutionally discrimation.
if child is adopted NOvisits,no matter whoAdopts.
YES Mich.Adoption Codes Need NEW CODES written in
grandparentAdoption are differ then DirectAdoption

While many states,like southDakota laws ar honest.
Adoption of child prohibits visits of grandchild,
EXCEPT if CHILD is ADOPTED by grandParents.
This gives NONdiscrimnation issues in CHILDSrights
to fairly give needed VISITs to grandchild by the
provenFit GRANDparents on both sides.Also gives th
Childsupport needed moneyWise/and loving bond.
Senior citizens think Mich.aarp didNOT even try.
AARP go back to table,TRY AGAIN,ITS CHILDS RIGHT.
adoption code laws,need RECODEING,REVISED,ADD ON.

YES i vote to AMEND addOn,adoptionCode laws to the
EXCEPT IF CHILD IS ADOPTED BY GRANDPARENTS,this 
doesNOT prohibit visitation by other grandparents.</description></item><item><title>BEST INTEREST OF CHILD,legislature OPEN UP YOUR REALITY CHECKS</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215564.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:58:03 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215564</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215564.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215564</wfw:commentRss><description>Visitation is decided by parents,hopfully a child is not used as a revenge pawn,most grandparents who had a bond with grandchild,therein have proofn fitness of that lovin bond and to brake that bond is harmful to child,and adoption is another issue.

Yes legislator should create a New law for all the Adoptions to include Adoption of grandchild by grandparents in 1stdeg.only,the grandparents shall have visits.  yea,grandparents are grandparents.

Well,Mich.Adoption codes are unconstitutional to all and unfair to child. Most states have/are inputing newbills/laws to cover differentadoptions
Openadoption,with visits,protects parent+child.
Directadoption,parents chose,mayMisrepresentfraud
Stepadoption,should be different handled Law.
RelativeAdoption,needs a different input Laws.
Must protectright of child to have continuedVisit.
Relative/or grandparentAdoption should NOT be the
same code LAWS as in DIRECT/or step.adoption LAWS.
Legislature please open up your reality checks.
payments to the what whole idea of grandparents childbondvisit if supremecourtcongress is aloted to output all good exceptions/then just you must also give equal just inputPOSITIVEaddon CAN DO's.   
GrandparentADOPTION,must have NEWbill to included
the RIGHTS of BOTHsides,in the adoption code laws.
it will create POSITIVE best interest of CHILD.
GRANDPARENTS ADOPTION OF GRANDCHILD,BEST INTEREST 
OF CHILD,SHALL ALLOW OTHER GRANDPARENTS VISITATION</description></item><item><title>MichiganLegislatureSmellTheCoffee</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215563.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:43:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215563</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215563.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215563</wfw:commentRss><description>In agreement with 4 and 6 point no risk of harm different adoption need different"provide Laws"
Michigan has No provision for relative adoptions or grandparent adoptions, just court or direct.
If parent rights groups need to take care of helping parents to become better parents in Appeal courts to reform signed forms laws.Parents need to
put votes where its needed,help there own rights. 
Not to destroy grandparents trying to help a child Theres enough kids in foster homes. Voters get in
VOTE FOR A NEW LAW TO HELP CHILDREN IN NEED.
Adoption by grandparents in first deg.are not new family in the childs eyes and should be a NEW LAW voted in by common sense senators,in section,
under Adoption Codes of 710.56 to help other first
degree grandparents to no risk of harm continued bond with grandchildren. I agree with Polar Bear
Mich.Legislature get up off your A,do whats Right.
All of us Grandparents need to write to congress
to help save our children life,please vote Now.

VOTE TO ADD- 710.56 ADOPTION OF GRANDCHILD BY THE
MATERNAL OR PATERNAL first degree GRANDPARENTS,
SHALL NOT PROHIBIT VISITS BY EITHER SIDE of 1stDeg</description></item><item><title>a grandparent</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215562.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:32:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215562</guid><dc:creator>rad52112</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215562.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215562</wfw:commentRss><description>I feel a grandparent should be allowed to see agrand child I haven't seen one of my grandchild for almost 2 yrs. my son has been in prison almost two  years now went to freind  of the court in muskegon they tell me to get a lawyer I feel the friend of court should handle that they need to revise the  grandparent rights</description></item><item><title>Children need both Grandparents</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215561.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:32:28 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215561</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215561.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215561</wfw:commentRss><description>One Morning Legislature wakes up after a night on town, decided Hey Lets Take away a Child's Rights
and Force More Law Suits,Make Grandparents Prove it.
I totally Vote for POLAR BEAR, a new add on Bill is
there will be more legislators voted out this year. 
a good idea, To just add on to the ADOPTION Code law
that polar bear food is right,use us then lose us.
"ADOPTION OF GRANDCHILD BY GRANDPARENT RELATED 
IN FIRST DEGREE,MATERNAL OR PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS 
SHALL HAVE RIGHTS TO REGULAR VISITATION TIME.</description></item><item><title>Grandchild needs both sides,yes</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215560.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:49:52 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215560</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215560.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215560</wfw:commentRss><description>parents right groups witch about grandparents time,but they should do get off there a's is help PARENT appeal in courts to get PARENTAL rights back and return a Childs. judges so bs fools they follow advice from unethical nonexpert therapist.
judges who sign terminate parents rights so easy,
put children in worst do more harm,then before.
I agree with reform the forms,issue of protecting a child starts with forced"FORMs parents sign.
cause if the system is so great, WHY are there so many Appeal Cases of BirthParents try'en to REvoke
to get parent Rights returned. 
Parents Rights Org. should start helping Parents to be Informed on the "Reform the Form" Amendment
to get Judges follow Laws, ask/offer counselor,and
judges must also ask,Have you been given any Separate Agreement to sign Consent,that affects the finality of your consent. Parents doNOT know
thes laws, Judges doNot follow the Laws, then a child suffers, child doesNot get to see parents or grandparents. Because FORMS doNOT include written
statements that are the LAW. Yes,Reform the forms.

Grandparents who adopt there Grandchildren both sides of first degree grandparents should have 
legal law rights to visitation agreements.Yes.</description></item><item><title>michigan congress wake up to a cup of common sense</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215559.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:58:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215559</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215559.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215559</wfw:commentRss><description>Yea have to say,to grand parents are direct adoption 
it should be a law,710.56 adoption to add a sec.6 ,that both sets of grand parents first degree shall have a rights to continued grand parenting time.

Michigan Congress should wake up to the needs of the children, adoption by grand parents,agreed to 
to add on to placement adoption laws. 
First degree grand parent adoption,grand child shall have right to grand parenting time with both sides.
710.56 add sec. 6, both sets of grands parent who 
have adopted grand child, either side can visit.</description></item><item><title>Vote Yes on First Degree Grand parents Visits</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215558.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:58:47 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:215558</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/215558.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=18&amp;PostID=215558</wfw:commentRss><description>After reading hb727 it does seem clear it was revised and written for parents rights that was already in sections of who decides visit rights.

And I Vote Yes also on Factors of Grandparents who adopt Grandchildren, the first degree other Grand parents should still have regular visit rights.</description></item></channel></rss>