Transportation and Driving

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

Freerider — Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:47:14 GMT

:) FREEDOM RULES!!!

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

Freerider — Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:06:31 GMT

ANOTHER WASTED SUMMER :(

And I'm not getting any younger! One more freedomless summer, one more summer of lost tourism revenue. I spent my summer vacation in Sheboygan, Wi. Rode free and didn't die, get a head injury, or cause anyones insurance rates to go up! Could have (and should have) spent my money here. While there we ran into 4 guys from Guelph, Ont. According to them Canadian bikers are chomping at the bit for Michigan to amend it's helmet law since freedom is not allowed anywhere in Canada. Another group of people that want to spend their money here! Now is the time to write Gov. Snyder and your State Rep. and tell them you want this bill passed into law. Let's make summer of '12 THE SUMMER!

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

Freerider — Wed, 21 Sep 2011 23:51:17 GMT

ANOTHER WASTED SUMMER!!!

One more freedomless summer, one more summer of lost tourism revenue! I was really hoping summer '11 would be the summer of freedom. At the beginning of the year we were looking at July 1st being the first day of freedom. Which would have been nice since my vacation was the first 2 weeks of July. I was planning on spending that time in NW lower Michigan and then crossing the bridge and heading up to the U.P. But instead my wife and I, along with 3 other couples, went to Sheboygan, Wi. Stayed in a beautiful hotel on Lake Michigan and rode free every day. No head injuries or increased insurance rates were caused by this! We probably spent @ $10,000 between the 8 of us. Money that could have (and should have) been spent here! That may not seem like a lot, but it is considering thousands of others did the same thing over the course of the summer. Not to mention NOBODY from out of state came here! Not when EVERY surrounding state is a free state.

While there we ran into 4 guys from Guelph, Ont. They were REALLY intrested in the status of Michigan's helmet law. Since there is no freedom anywhere in Canada, Canadian bikers are chomping at the bit for Michigan to amend it's helmet law. Another group of people that want to spend money here that I never thought of. But it won't happen until this bill is passed into law. So please write your State Rep. and Gov. Snyder and urge them to support this bill. Let's make summer of '12 THE SUMMER!

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

Freerider — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:46:19 GMT

vintageroger:

HELLO..................ANY NEW INFO?

Unfortunately probably nothing until the fall :(

Check out abateofmichigan.org, they are pretty much the only ones fighting for YOUR rights. We need ALL the help we can get. We also don't want to give up too much info on this site because commies, like Senator Roger Kahn, will no doubt use it against us.

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

Airfilters — Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:01:09 GMT

I would like to know if there is any new info on this as well.

www.airfilters.com

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

vintageroger — Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:06:18 GMT

HELLO..................ANY NEW INFO?

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

vintageroger — Wed, 06 Jul 2011 14:30:08 GMT

Come on! Lets move this bill to the floor for a vote! The Senate has done it's job, now do yours!

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

Freerider — Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:53:43 GMT

RECALL ROGER KAHN!!!

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

Freerider — Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:49:00 GMT

BarbaraBrown:

Why do you think some states have laws? Who's pushing that agenda? Is there a profit to be made out there from helmet laws?

Well Barbara, there is a profit to be made from NOT having a helmet law. Every state that surrounds Michigan doesn't have a helmet law. Therefore out of state riders are not willing to come here to ride and enjoy our beautiful scenery. Plus those who live here plan their motorcycle based vacations out of state to avoid the law. Therefore we are being double-whammied on lost tourism revenue.

Who's pushing the agenda? AAA. It used to be the insurance industry as a whole, but AAA is really the only one still making noise. In 1966, the Feds blackmailed the states into passing mandatory helmet laws by witholding federal highway funds from states that did not comply. By 1969 every state, except California, passed a helmet law. Michigan was actually one of the last states to pass a helmet law. Ours took effect on 7-1-69. In 1975, President Ford repealed the Feds blackmail. By 1982, about half of the states repealed their laws, including every state surrounding Michigan. The reason Michigan didn't is because Michigan created the no-fault system in 1973, two years before the blackmail repeal. The passage of no-fault made Michigan's insurance lobby the most powerful in the country. And (not coincidentally) we also have the highest insurance rates in the country. It is my understanding that Governor Snyder is planning on doing insurance reform this summer. This MAY include the repeal of the MCCA and no-fault. I certainly hope that happens. ALL of our neighboring helmet-choice states are also at-fault states. Their rates are about HALF of what ours are!

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

vintageroger — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 19:46:12 GMT

Both SB291 & HB4608 are in the there transportation committees. Hope they don't die there!

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

BarbaraBrown — Mon, 30 May 2011 16:46:04 GMT

Why do you think some states have laws? Who's pushing that agenda? Is there a profit to be made out there from helmet laws?

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

Freerider — Mon, 30 May 2011 14:51:43 GMT

Happy Memorial Day!

Today is a day to remember all the brave soldiers who died for our FREEDOM! God Bless! These brave men died in vain if freedom doesn't exist. Make 2011 the year freedom FINALLY becomes a reality in Michigan. Now's the time to write your legislators and Governor Snyder telling them you want this bill passed. Also plan to take Wednesday, June 8th, off and attend our FREEDOM RALLY at the Capitol Bldg at noon. Many brave men died for freedom, the least you can do is take a day off for freedom. Be there, let's make this year THE YEAR!

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

Freerider — Mon, 30 May 2011 14:44:12 GMT

Happy Memorial Day!

Today is a day to remember those who gave their lives for our FREEDOM! God Bless! These men died in vain if freedom doesn't exist! Let's make 2011 the year freedom FINALLY becomes a reality in Michigan! Now is the time to write your legislators and Governor Snyder telling them you want this bill passed. Also Wednseday, June 8th, at noon at the Capitol Bldg is our FREEDOM RALLY! Take the day off and be there. These men died for our freedom, the least you could do is take the day off for freedom. This year will be the most important year ever, so be there!

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

Freerider — Mon, 30 May 2011 14:28:28 GMT

Happy Memorial Day!

This a day to remember all the brave soldiers who gave their lives so that we could live free in this wonderful country. God bless! But I also like to think of our forefathers and the price they paid. If not for them, America would've never been. Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and were tortured before they died. 12 had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and pledged their lives, their fortunes and their honor. What kind of men were they? 24 were lawyers and jurists. 11 were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners. Well educated men of means. And they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts and died in rags as a free man. Thomas McKean was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken and he was left in poverty. His reward was independence for America! British soldiers looted the properties of Clymer, Ellery, Gwinnett, Hall, Heyward, Rutledge and Walton. At the Battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr. noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters; the owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire, the home was destroyed and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed, the enemy jailed his wife and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying, their 13 children fled for their lives, his fields and his grist mill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in the woods, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. Weeks later he died of exhaustion. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.

Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed, rabble rousing ruffians. They were soft spoken men of means and education. They had security, but valued liberty more! They pledged their support of this declaration of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor. They gave you and me a free and indepenendent America! The history books never told you a lot of what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't just fight the British, we were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Perhaps you can now see why our Founding Fathers had a hatred for standing armies, and allowed through the 2nd Amendment for everyone to have the right to keep and bear arms. I have no doubt that if they were alive today, they would enjoy the freedom that comes with riding a motorcycle. They would be absolutely appaulled, ashamed and embarrassed that some states still enforce mandatory helmet laws! And they would undoubtedly refuse to wear a helmet by a government mandate, no matter the cost to themselves. We should learn from them! They are likely rolling over in their graves because the liberty they fought so hard for and paid a very high price for, is slowly being taken away from us (and helmet laws are just the tip of the iceberg on this topic). Most of us just sit there and complain. Just like a frog in a pot of water that has been slowly heated to the boiling point. What will it take for you to stand up and fight for the freedom that is your heritage? Complaining doesn't cool the water, so when will you decide to jump out of the pot? Only you can decide if your freedom is worth fighting for. And if so, time to get of the couch and do something. Now is the time to write your legislators and Governor Snyder telling them you want this bill passed. There is also a Freedom Rally at the Capitol Bldg at noon on Wednesday, June 8th. Take the day off and be there. Make 2011 the year freedom FINALLY becomes a reality!

Re: 2011 House Bill 4608

Freerider — Mon, 30 May 2011 13:20:55 GMT

I never said it was "safer" to ride without a helmet. If this law passes the media will no doubt point out the fact that a rider wasn't wearing a helmet if that's the case and will fail to mention that a rider WAS wearing a helmet if that is the case in a fatal accident. That's all I was trying to point out. As for the safety issue, I believe the safety a helmet can provide is at best questionable. Motorcycling is dangerous whether you wear a helmet or not. Perhaps in low speed accidents a helmet can make a difference, but any accident over 35mph helmets are proven to be ineffective. D.O.T. approved helmets (which can be purchased at any motorcycle shop) are randomly tested at 14mph. They have a failure rate of 50%. The D.O.T. logo only certifies that the shell and liner are at the required thinkness. If helmets were as effective as people thought they were, every state would have a helmet law. Just as every state has a seat-belt law, speed limits and laws against drunk driving. The majority of states do not have mandatory helmet laws for all riders, that alone should tell you something.

Again not "safer" without one. All the evidence from the states with and without helmet laws suggest that there is no significant difference either way, contrary to public opinion.