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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>General Government </title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/16.aspx</link><description>Government Employees, Election Law, Constitution, Transparency, Branches</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008 (Debug Build: 30417.1769)</generator><item><title>Re: This is wrong !!</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/274028.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:02:21 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:274028</guid><dc:creator>bigmike</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/274028.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=274028</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#39;s funny how the government tries telling you that driving is a privelege. You have the &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;right to travel&lt;/span&gt; freely. They get away with forcing you to pay their fees because you let them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Free people should not be forced to do anything. Free people do not pay taxes, licensing fees and bureaucratic operating expenses at gunpoint. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At some point you&amp;#39;re going to have to stand up and say no more. Tell the judge you won&amp;#39;t pay and not only will you continue to drive without a license, you will make it your purpose in life to get others to do the same. Stand in front of the secretary of state office with a sign that says stop paying for permission. Hand out fliers encouraging others to stop renewing their license and tabs. Take an active role in this critical act of &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;civil disobedience&lt;/span&gt;. Get it all on video. Put it on youtube.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You cannot change the system from within because the legislators want your money. You have to sacrifice, get your case in front of a jury and push hard for &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;jury nullification&lt;/span&gt;. Look at what the &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;FreeStaters&lt;/span&gt; in New Hampshire are doing. &lt;i&gt;Google underlined terms for more info. &lt;/i&gt;Take a stand Michigan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: This is wrong !!</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/269927.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:00:52 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:269927</guid><dc:creator>lapeer</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/269927.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=269927</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;I am a vic of this too. Seems as most of us are. The petition only raised under 7000 names how many did it need? So I would assume either it didn&amp;#39;t get around to enough people or most just don&amp;#39;t care. I got my ticket paid my fines and did some jail time over it. punishment done! So I thought, now the DRF holds it&amp;#39;s hand out. I&amp;#39;m trying to pay them but it&amp;#39;s not going so well cause I can&amp;#39;t get to work cause I can&amp;#39;t drive to get there. No DL for 2 years (requirement by SOS) after and only after the two years I can apply to get a hearing to get it back. So after the 2 years I will apply, how soon will I get a hearing date??? Sounds like I won&amp;#39;t get a hearing for some time as it seems the line will be quite LONG!!!If the punishment was 2 years of no driving why should I have to apply for a hearing to get it back and then may or maybe not get it and have to wait until they get back around to me. You don&amp;#39;t go to jail for 90 days and then the jail people hold you for an extra 30 days because you &amp;quot;might&amp;quot; break the law again. You have served your punishment therefore you should be done&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>This is wrong !!</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213158.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:22:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213158</guid><dc:creator>TrueBlue</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213158.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213158</wfw:commentRss><description>This law PASSED  37-0  ????

This "law" is criminal in and of itself.</description></item><item><title>Good Luck</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213157.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:51:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213157</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213157.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213157</wfw:commentRss><description>we are trying but with all these socialist nanny staters running the show it is a longshot. Just quit work, sit on the porch drinkin' forties and tell the gubmint that you need their assistance. This seems to be what they want.</description></item><item><title>unfair</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213156.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:18:29 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213156</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213156.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213156</wfw:commentRss><description>I have had a DL for 38 years with zero traffic violations.  Last winter I hit balck Ice and hit a tree...minutes later another vehicle hit same black ice and totaled my truck.. i left the scene due to the owner of the tree being irrate and beligurent...they threw the book at me $500.00 in court costs...$1,000.00 a year for 2 years in DRF..I made payments..missed 2 they took my DL away and never notified me....i find out 8 months later I have no DL..and cannot even get a restricted DL until all is paid in full...how???? I am a single person just trying to make ends meet..I need some help here.  Signed discourged citizen.</description></item><item><title>Sorry Buddy</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213155.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:41:10 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213155</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213155.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213155</wfw:commentRss><description>Last tuesday we shreaded the constitution.

America  --  R.I.P.</description></item><item><title>Complete BS!!</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213154.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:15:11 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213154</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213154.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213154</wfw:commentRss><description>This is the sorriest state in the union ran by a bunch of morons!  All this is about money, money, and more money!  Doesn't the FEDERAL constitution say no DOUBLE JEOPARDY which supersedes any state constitution?  The real criminals are the people running this state into the ground!</description></item><item><title>And your new</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213153.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:35:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213153</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213153.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213153</wfw:commentRss><description>president tapped jenny to help with finances...Maybe he wants all the states to be equal to michiganistan</description></item><item><title>Double Jeopardy</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213152.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:00:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213152</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213152.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213152</wfw:commentRss><description>My husband is a long haul truck driver and over the course of two years he has gotten some points from other states. He is on the road 6 days a week. Of course the cops like to pull over truckers for 5 or less over. Truckers are easy targets. I am unemployed (go figure!) and we are barely getting by. Then my husband gets slapped with this responsibility fee. We are having to take this fee out of our mortgage payment. Now we are behind in our payments just after catching up. I am done with this state! I put my house up for sale today. This is the straw that broke the camels back. As far as I know, MI is the only state that has this double jeopardy law. I cannot believe how greedy this is compared to others. I am outta here. Everyone should follow because it wont be long before it is a ghost state. Last one out turn off the lights.</description></item><item><title>re:  WTF?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213151.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:30:25 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213151</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213151.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213151</wfw:commentRss><description>You are a moron. How can being penalized twice for one infraction be a good law. You are part of the problem, shut up and get out of the way.</description></item><item><title>WTF?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213150.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:24:42 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213150</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213150.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213150</wfw:commentRss><description>I Think it is a good law to have in place but the penalties..... are completely unconstitutional and insane. Good example of equalities. A 10 year old child walks into a store and pulls a 5 cent gumball off the shelf and puts it in his mouth. Grabs a pack of baseball cards and pays for them. Walks out of the store, first step he takes out of the store he is tackled thrown in handcuffs, arrested and sentanced to 15 years in prison. Yes it is a good law, but the punishment needs to be adjusted seriously.</description></item><item><title>Think!</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213146.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:11:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213146</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213146.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213146</wfw:commentRss><description>Maybe you should have thought about the consequences before you committed the action that caused you to lose your license.  Driving is a privilege!</description></item><item><title>They better wake up</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213149.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:34:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213149</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213149.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213149</wfw:commentRss><description>WAKE UP MICHIGAN!!!!! You are slowly driving your residents out one by one soon you will have nothing. your all most there now.GRANHOLM-you said the first time you wer elected that you wer going to make POSITIVE CHANGES IN MICHIGAN. HAH yeah right.THE only reason you wer re elected was because you  wer the lesser of to evils.all this law does is further TICK PEOPLE OFF AND FURTHER WEAKEN MICHIGANS ECONOMY!!!</description></item><item><title>So Right</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213148.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:20:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213148</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213148.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213148</wfw:commentRss><description>but don't worry. It's all for your own good. They know what's best for you. Just give them all your money and freedoms and they will dole them out as they see fit.</description></item><item><title>careful who you vote for</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213147.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:18:12 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:213147</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/213147.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=16&amp;PostID=213147</wfw:commentRss><description>what granholm has enacted is exactly what the rest of the country will soon realize if Obama gets elected.  More fines and more fees.  Your choice.</description></item></channel></rss>