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Re: there is no way

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there is no way

Anonymous Citizen — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:20:48 GMT

of proving that an embryo is a person. In order to have confirmed proof we would have to have a talk with the embryo for it to tell us exactly when it began to process with its mind, do you see this happening anytime soon? Didn't think so, so until then if it could even remotely help to find a cure for someone that we know 100% is living then I say go for it. Most of these embryo's come from people who have saved embryos and no longer wish to use them so would you rather them to be thrown in the trash, then used to possible save someone close to you one day? Ridiculous, now you right to lifers are just going overboard with the crusade on this one. In the trash or used to find a cure either way they will not ever be a person, the only difference is that the latter could help to save a person.

every 'person' is an

Anonymous Citizen — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:33:48 GMT

'organism', but not every 'organism' grows up to be a person. once again, at what point do we draw the line authorizing the lawful killing of a human being?

so, at what point does

Anonymous Citizen — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:00:20 GMT

a human being aquire his soul? at what point in the growth of that single cell to a fully grown, voting individual does that person aquire his soul? is it at birth, a process of being expelled forcefully from it's incubation unit?

Continuing respectful discussion....

Anonymous Citizen — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:04:01 GMT

A human person is the combination of body and of a soul. I agree. The word “person” as cited as an alternate word in Thesaurus is “organism”. The word “organism” as defined in Thesaurus is: An individual form of life that is capable of growing, metabolizing nutrients, and usually reproducing. Organisms can be unicellular or multicellular. Interesting defintion! New word. "Zygote”. Which is the single cell embryo formed at fertilization of an egg by sperm, or formed by the infusion of a somatic cell nucleus into an enucleated egg (CLONING a.k.a. SCNT). The creation of a zygote is the beginning of a unique human life. To say otherwise in that a zygote is not fully human person is to beg the question, that being. “when exactly then does it become a human person if it were not human person already?” To also state a belief that this new human being is not a person is for one to also to deny the nature of what a human zygote truly is ~ a new human individual who is always a person. A human zygote cannot, nor ever will be born something other than a human person. It cannot be born as a car, not a dog, not a ear of corn, not a boat, not a shoe, but only a human. The human zygote is a human person, and that is the essential feature.

Come down to earth....

Anonymous Citizen — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:56:25 GMT

What are you talking about? Are you really making such statements and asking such questions, so as to be informed? Because if you were stating those questions in a rhetorical manner...well, we suggest you might need to do some personal edification on the issue(s) before posting again such nonsensical yet illogical questions, statements.

Ditto...

Anonymous Citizen — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:32:20 GMT

See #10, this applies to you as well.

Sad...

Anonymous Citizen — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:30:29 GMT

That is one sad opinion you cited! Yet you are entitled to make it! However, it does indeed demonstrate your complete, yes complete, lack of understanding of the issue[s].

Fetal Homicide Laws

Anonymous Citizen — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:57:56 GMT

Are an abomination.

How Come

Anonymous Citizen — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:21:25 GMT

You libs want a baby that is in the womb to be considered a human if someone kills the mother. Didn't scott peterson get charged with two murders when he only really killed his wife and a bunch of cells? Actually when you get right down to it his wife was just a bunch of cells.

an infant is not a 'person'.

Anonymous Citizen — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:39:33 GMT

an infant requires years of care before it becomes a person, yet it is murder to kill one. at what stage do you consider it no longer murder to kill a human being? a fertilized single celled egg is the beginning of a human being. is it a 'person', no. is it a human being? yes. at what point does a human have rights?

Enbryonic is not the way.

Anonymous Citizen — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:23:22 GMT

Adult stem cells are the way to go, not embryonic. Look at the research and you will see this is the truth. My grandmother and all of my aunts died with alzheimers and now I have cousins with it. I am hoping for a cure but not through embryonic stem cells. Does anyone who believes in God really believe He would allow us to find a cure by killing more of his unborn children? I bought into the abortion lie before but now I know better. Advancement in science shows us we have been lied to for years regarding abortion. Maybe we already aborted the person who was sent to find the cure for the disease you are hoping for. Don't buy into another lie.

No Rationalizing Here -- Just Plain Definitions, Understanding And Language

Anonymous Citizen — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:53:17 GMT

“Rationalization... It is the beginning of life of a human being, hence a person.” What you have said is true, but only in part. A human embryo is in the beginning stage of human life. But at the embryonic stage it has neither the form nor the soul of a person, is not yet a person, and never has been a person in all of history. If the embryo bears human genes it only bears the genetic potential to become a human being, a person. This is not playing word games or parsing language too finely. This is calling an embryo what it is, scientifically and historically. Characterizing an embryo as a person in legislative debate is political posturing, done for political purposes. If you wish to think of an embryo as a human person you are, of course, quite free and welcome to do so. You are free and welcome, also, to attempt to persuade others to your way of thinking. But please do not impose or attempt to impose that definition on everyone or anyone else by means of political force.

Rationalization...

Anonymous Citizen — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:16:29 GMT

It is the beginning of life of a human being, hence a person. Parse words according to whatever theory you are attempting to define "person" against or put forth. Matter of fact, I recall a particular politican who once said..."It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." Tis you dear correspondent, who is attempting to do the same type of rationalization here. Nice try though!

Definitions

Anonymous Citizen — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:15:38 GMT

“If, in your opinion, a human embryo is not a human “person” at the embryonic stage, though you agree that a human embryo is life in its earliest stages, then what do you say it is?” An embryo. Or, if you like, an embryo with human genes. That is what science calls it. That is a fact-based land factual label. It is not an opinion. “We can parse words, definitions all day long. Fact is a “human embryo” conceived by whatever method; natural, in-vitro, is created by a man and a woman’s “human genes” thus creating a newly forming “human person”.” ‘Tis you, dear correspondent, who attempts to parse words here, or, more accurately, attempts to give them meaning they do not have nor have they traditionally held. By asserting that an embryo is a baby, or a person, you are endeavoring to make the embryo something it is not. It is like you are trying to sell the idea that a kernel of corn (a seed) is the same thing as the developed plant. The whole embryo = baby idea is political talk for political purposes. Nothing more.