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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Welfare, Medicaid and Social Services</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/14.aspx</link><description /><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008 (Debug Build: 30417.1769)</generator><item><title>It's Good To See</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236411.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:33:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:236411</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236411.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=14&amp;PostID=236411</wfw:commentRss><description>Someone differentiate between public employee pensions and the pension and health benefits received by elected officials.

Anger and frustration that really is precipitated by elected officials should not inspire attacks directed at ordinary civil service employees as a class.</description></item><item><title>No pension</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236410.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:25:33 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:236410</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236410.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=14&amp;PostID=236410</wfw:commentRss><description>How about prorating legislative pensions and health care benefits for the years they actually worked?  They are not full time State employees, who have to work 10 years to be vested in the old days and 4 years to be vested now.  Give them the same benefits as State workers.  Why do they get better benefits for less time worked and less productivity?????</description></item><item><title>Let's See</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236409.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:02:25 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:236409</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236409.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=14&amp;PostID=236409</wfw:commentRss><description>Because you feel like you have had a raw deal in the private sector, it's OK to back out on commitments made (in your name) to employees in the public sector.

In other words, you think giving someone else a good hard kick in the kajoobies is bound to make you feel a lot a better and solve all your own ills.

Here's some news for you.  

Imposing hard breaks on some else who no more earned them than you did will not compensate you for your loss.  Nor will it actually make you feel better, unless you are some kind of a sociopath.</description></item><item><title>right</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236408.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:32:35 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:236408</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236408.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=14&amp;PostID=236408</wfw:commentRss><description>Yeah, I "labored" I "earned" I "PAID TAXES"

I have nothing left. Good luck getting your "pensions" from a state that is broke, hell, its more that broke. Tis in the RED.

Not my money!</description></item><item><title>Remember The Principle</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236407.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 12:50:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:236407</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236407.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=14&amp;PostID=236407</wfw:commentRss><description>“The government pension should be managed by the taxpayers, they are the ones who are FORCED to pay for it!”

Well and good, as far as it goes.  

The key thing to remember is that government workers’ pensions are an earned benefit – something those people work to earn as part of their overall compensation packages.  That means the employer has a contractual (and conservatives would say, therefore, a moral-ethical) obligation to deliver the agreed upon benefit to employees.  The employer should be expected and required to deliver those benefits.

I figure that’s the way the vast majority of private sector employees would prefer to be treated.  Let’s remember The Golden Rule.  At least in the public employment sector we have an opportunity to insist that workers be provided the compensation and benefits they have labored for and earned.</description></item><item><title>Revise  pension ?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236406.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:22:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:236406</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/236406.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=14&amp;PostID=236406</wfw:commentRss><description>The government pension should be managed by the
taxpayers, they are the ones who are FORCED to pay for it!</description></item><item><title>2008 House Bill 6118 (Revise government pension management details )</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/235109.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2001 05:00:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:235109</guid><dc:creator>admin</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/235109.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=14&amp;PostID=235109</wfw:commentRss><description>Introduced in the House on May 14, 2008&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.michiganvotes.org/2008-HB-6118'&gt;Click here to view bill details.&lt;/a&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>