Social and Civil Liberty Issues

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

albaby2 — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:45:10 GMT

Gypsy, give up. You are correct in yopur assessment but you will never get the paranoid ones to admit this is not an attempt to take their guns away. BTW-I own rifles, pistols shotguns, support the NRA and MCRGO etc and hold a CPL.

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

FreeSpeaker — Tue, 19 May 2009 13:33:49 GMT

Mike Hignite:

Let's address the fact that all of these laws, gun boards, CCW, regulations, and registrations are unconstituitonal. Michigan's constitution guarrantees the right of ALL citizens to be armed. Period. ...

If, in fact, these various laws violate the Michigan Constitution, as claimed, it is difficult (even impossible) to conceive that in the years they have been on the books they would not have been challenged in court and thrown out by court decision.

Arguments on many fronts can be made for liberalizing these laws. Constitutional principles certainly are a legitimate part of those arguments. But making specious claims about supposed violations of Michigan's Constitution does not serve the cause well at all.

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

Mike Hignite — Mon, 18 May 2009 17:13:19 GMT

Let's address the fact that all of these laws, gun boards, CCW, regulations, and registrations are unconstituitonal. Michigan's constitution guarrantees the right of ALL citizens to be armed. Period. If, in the past, citizens let those in government attempt to steal their rights away, that is a shame. It doesn't mean that those rights don't still exist. Here are two ways to recover these rights:

1. Contact your legislator. Repeatedly. Until they eliminate these unconstitutional statutes. If they refuse, support someone else who will do your will. Never vote for them again, and encourage everyone you know to never vote for them again.

2. Read and understand your rights as a juror. If you are ever on a case where someone is charged with any kind of weapons law violation, vote innocent. If they robbed a bank with a machine gun, and killed ten people, convict them of bank robbery and murder, but do not convict anyone of using a gun in a crime, or being in the possession of a gun, or an unregistered gun, or illegal ammunition, or anything like that. This is called jury nullification and it was used most reasonably to help end slavery and prohibition.

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

bugman — Sun, 29 Mar 2009 01:30:19 GMT

by adding rifles and shotguns that weren't on the list before... of course... how many pistols have been removed from the list?

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

gypsy — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:19:52 GMT

This bill lessens the number of guns needed to be registered.

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

bugman — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:37:58 GMT

your constitutional rights are to be able to keep and bear arms. registration's only legitimate purpose is to confiscate weapons. your own party is working towards confiscation, and has been behind many recent confiscations in this country. is confiscation constitutional?

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

gypsy — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:44:33 GMT

I plan on keeping my constitutional rights.

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

bugman — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:57:24 GMT

so do i. hot days still bring on the chafing. do you plan on giving up your weapon when confiscation comes?

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

gypsy — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:57:24 GMT

I think your confused. It doesn't chafe me at all, I have a very comfortable holster.

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

bugman — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:32:00 GMT

i wonder, does it chafe you as badly as the government that doesnt trust you to carry it? does the fact that there are those on the left that think you foolish bother you as much as your being armed bothers them?

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

gypsy — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:05:40 GMT

Yes.

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

bugman — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:30:59 GMT

i don't. i wonder, do you carry a gun?

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

gypsy — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:40:45 GMT

I hope you don't see your foot as an enemy, and shoot it.

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

bugman — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:35:50 GMT

i am opposing a bill that works to deprive citizens of their rights. i see it as my duty.

Re: 2009 House Bill 4501 (Revise “pistol” definition )

gypsy — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:52:13 GMT

I think your seeing dragons in the wallpaper. Opposing a bill that works towards your goals is counterproductive.