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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Environment and Property Rights </title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/12.aspx</link><description>Regulations, Land Use, Water Use, Natural Resources and Recreation</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008 (Debug Build: 30417.1769)</generator><item><title>h</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255674.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:01:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:255674</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255674.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=255674</wfw:commentRss><description>fgdg</description></item><item><title>Tipping over the Taxpayer</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255678.aspx</link><pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:29:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:255678</guid><dc:creator>inform4</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255678.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=255678</wfw:commentRss><description>Anyone who does not realize that this increase on taxing fee's at the landfills means that the taxpayer will wind up paying more for their trash pickups to make up the difference.

One way or another the tax and spend crowd in Lansing are going to tax the individual more -- even through the back door.

My husband is retired now and once the housing values start to climb again, if ever -- I will seriously try to convince him to sell our home and move out of Tax and Spend Michigan.</description></item><item><title>Just one more reason...</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255677.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:47:02 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:255677</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255677.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=255677</wfw:commentRss><description>...to leave Michigan.  Who do they think will be the end payers of yet another new tax?  Thats right, John &amp; Jane Q. Public.</description></item><item><title>You Are What</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255675.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:21:39 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:255675</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255675.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=255675</wfw:commentRss><description>the communists used to refer to as a "usefull idiot"
Go hug your tree and leave the serious stuff to the adults.</description></item><item><title>Econ 101</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255676.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:19:02 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:255676</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255676.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=255676</wfw:commentRss><description>"That doesn't tax the Michigainders. However, it could make products cost more and hurt manufacturers."

Here's a quick refresher course for you...ANYTHING the state mandates, taxes, orders etc. that "hurt manufacturers" (aka. The Evil Rich) comes right out of your pocket. No producer eats  these costs, they pass them on to you. Next time you hear the Libs/dems/socialist talking about punishing, taxing, taking "windfall profits" please understand that they are coming for YOUR MONEY. Don't believe what the government indoctrination centers have taught you. The only one paying for government mandates, taxes etc. is YOU.
The amazing thing is that the sheeple keep electing the folks that rip them off the most.
Might be time for a poll test.</description></item><item><title>New Business For Michigan</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255673.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:58:52 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:255673</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255673.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=255673</wfw:commentRss><description>It's me again. Here's a new business idea to create jobs for Michigan: bio-degradable packaging, that would actually break down in landfills. 

Michigan could have a niche in bio-degradable packaging, along with certified organic crops and manufacturing. That would help take care of our landfills too.</description></item><item><title>Just say NO to new tax</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255672.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:50:16 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:255672</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255672.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=255672</wfw:commentRss><description>Please wait on this bill. Where we live, every time we hear the word 'tax' we're all ready to pack our bags and leave this state--I'm not kidding.  Taking more money from anyone in this state hurts us all. Get a reality check and work on the utility companies to lower our energy bills, that is, if any of you reps aren't getting campaign contributions from them and by the looks of it I doubt it! 

That has got to be one of the worst ideas right now, that any of you reps take even one penny from those utility companies that are a big part of our states problem with locating companies to a state that can not compete with these rediculous utility bills, not to mention a state gov't that over taxes. 

I can assure you that Michigan's landfills are not keeping business out of our state.  Please let's put all our focus on helping our communities help themselves.  And by the way, when you tax the landfills, us poor people in the municipalities pay for your greed with a tax increase in our tax bills. Should I ask MacDonald's to put my hamburger in my hand without a carton?

What you really need to go after is not consumers. You need to go after MSU.  They teach packaging courses.  You need to convince these Professors to teach how to produce bio-degradeable packaging and pass a bill that says manufacturers must use, ...fill in the blank if they want to sell in Michigan.  Something like that would take time, because we don't need to hurt business.  I've checked into this idea and the only reason that they don't do it now is because it hasn't been mandated, and a little thing called money.  

Guess what? That doesn't tax the Michigainders.  However, it could make products cost more and hurt manufacturers.  Remember, always try to get close to the source and it's not the tax paying consumers deciding how our tofu is wrapped.  Believe me I've thought about this problem and it is packaging.  That's your true problem-- not landfills. 

Sorry I rambled. It's late, I'm tired, and I feel very passionate about our State.</description></item><item><title>good tax policy</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255671.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:58:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:255671</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255671.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=255671</wfw:commentRss><description>It is good tax policy to ADD COST to garbage disposal in order to discourage garbage-generation.  We should increasingly be taxing activities that degrade our environment: eg, oil and water consumption.  It seems to me that garbage generation is another such activity since the environment benefits from re-use, recycling and conservation.  It's crucial in this age of global warming and other severe environmental threats to shift tax policy to encourage environmental stewardship.</description></item><item><title>Rep. Stahl's "no vote explanation"</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255670.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:25:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:255670</guid><dc:creator>Admin003</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255670.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=255670</wfw:commentRss><description>Rep. Stahl, having reserved the right to explain his protest against the passage of the bill, made the following statement: 

"Mr. Speaker and members of the House: 

This legislation has been discharged during session and has not appreciated due process of committee. Again without proper research and good objective discussion there is no way to make a proper and conclusive decision. Thus I vote no. Also because of the tie bar legislation that has not even been introduced it would be premature and irresponsible to vote for something unknown."</description></item><item><title>one wonders how much</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255669.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:12:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:255669</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255669.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=255669</wfw:commentRss><description>revenue the state thinks it will gain from this measure?

certainly THIS will save michigan.  

HUZZAH!!! OUR PROBLEMS ARE OVER.</description></item><item><title>more money</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255668.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:09:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:255668</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/255668.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=255668</wfw:commentRss><description>not excited about giving the state more money for another program</description></item><item><title>2007 House Bill 4221 (Levy landfill tipping tax )</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/231380.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2001 05:00:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:231380</guid><dc:creator>admin</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/231380.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=12&amp;PostID=231380</wfw:commentRss><description>Introduced in the House on February 7, 2007, to impose a $7.50 per ton tipping fee (tax) on all solid waste deposited in Michigan landfills. This would increase an existing 21-cent per ton levy on garbage dumped in landfills&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The vote was 56 in favor, 53 opposed and 1 not voting&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(House Roll Call 108 at House Journal 35)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href='http://www.michiganvotes.org/2007-HB-4221'&gt;Click here to view bill details.&lt;/a&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>