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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Education</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/11.aspx</link><description>School Finance and Employees, Curriculum, Special Ed, Higher Ed, School Choice</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008 (Debug Build: 30417.1769)</generator><item><title>BMI STUDENT,TEACHER?</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223729.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:52:26 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223729</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223729.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223729</wfw:commentRss><description>What ever happened to leading by example. Many teachers suffer the same BMI issues that some children face. I believe we start from the  top and trim the fat there first. Set an appropriate example by staying healthy in front of the class first.</description></item><item><title>Dyslexia</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223728.aspx</link><pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 01:04:23 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223728</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223728.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223728</wfw:commentRss><description>I've been working with learning disabled children for many years now and have never heard of such a claim. No special ed teacher I have ever encountered has done this (even if they wanted to, they were not allowed to pull a kid from a special). If this is truly happening to your child, you need to contact the teacher regarding scheduling.</description></item><item><title>Well said</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223709.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:36:55 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223709</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223709.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223709</wfw:commentRss><description>The government does not need to tell parents that their child is fat. If a parent can't tell that their child is fat, then they should invest in a good pair of glasses. This should not be the province of the schools. The schools have enough to do without losing valuable instructional time measuring fat. What then do the sponsors of this bill want next? The schools measure the kid's fat and inform the parents and then what? Do they expect that the schools will then put the kid on a diet? Kids (and adults) will continue to be fat until they turn off the electronic babysitters, get active and make better food choices. That is not the role of the government or schools. That is the role of the parents.</description></item><item><title>Not about control?!</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223708.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:50:33 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223708</guid><dc:creator>Mike Hignite</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223708.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223708</wfw:commentRss><description>--The government should help guide parents in good choices for their children. 
--Not all of our parents are educated enough know what is healthy or good parenting. 
--Let the government enlighten us. This is not about control.

Where to start?  
Why should government help guide parents in raising children?  It doesn't help pick out you kids clothes each morning, and yet many kids suffer needless embarrassment by not choosing the propert kinds of clothes.
Of course not every parent is as intelligent as you are and, therefore, must be making the wrong choices.  Someone should force them to do it your, er, the right way.
Your last line is self-contradicting.  Let the government enlighten us.  It's not about control?  It's all about control.  Parents may not raise kids the way you want, so they must be taught how, and if they don't want to learn they must be forced.  Why else are there comments here about reporting to child protective services so that the child abuse of improper diet can be stopped.  
Your intentions may be good, but your cure is worse than obese children.</description></item><item><title>Not a waste of money</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223727.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:22:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223727</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223727.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223727</wfw:commentRss><description>This legislation is proactive and shows foresight and caring for our citizens.  We once put lead in our paint, and that wasn't very bright, and now we know better!  The more we know about BMI the better.  With better screening for dyslexia and more efficient tutoring for those students, less children will be held back from gym to catch up, too!  We ought to look into that for the state as well.  It is part of the issue and unfortunately discriminates against dyslexics because they don't get the same opportunity for exercise as their peers.  The same is true for the amount of lunch recess that they get because they so often have to stay back at lunch.  Harsh but true.</description></item><item><title>BMI very appropriate</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223707.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:16:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223707</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223707.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223707</wfw:commentRss><description>The government should help guide parents in good choices for their children.  Not all of our parents are educated enough know what is healthy or good parenting.  Sorry!  It's true.  Maybe you are, and good for you.  It's obviously a national problem is SO FEW children make the standards.  Let the government enlighten us.  This is not about control.</description></item><item><title>Great idea for parent to wake up</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223705.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:13:03 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223705</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223705.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223705</wfw:commentRss><description>We call child protective services if we see other neglect.  Oprah calls you out on national TV if you are neglectful about weight with a child.  We screen for scoliosis.  CPS is on speed dial, unfortunately.  I hate to call.  Sometimes things like this need to be done for the good of the child.  This IS wise leadership.  There should be required parenting courses we often say, well this information supplied to parents is a solution.  IT'S BOLD, not DISCRIMINATORY.  As long as the information is sealed, goes right to the parent (like they have to sign for it to so they received it) or it is mailed or something, then how is a school or teacher going to discriminate against fat kids.  Please!  It's time for American parents to wise up.  We thought the earth was flat at one point.  This is great legislation.  Thank goodness we no longer have the Inquisition for good scientific ideas!</description></item><item><title>It's Not..</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223726.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:35:03 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223726</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223726.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223726</wfw:commentRss><description>the snacks or cans of Coke that kids drink. It's the fact that most are couch potatoes for the rest of the day. When we were young it was nothing to wear out three or four bike tires in one summer. Now the kids don't even know how to ride a bike. As long as parents keep using the computer and video games as a cheap babysitter and the teachers keep requesting that the active kids be drugged into submission the kids will be fat.</description></item><item><title>I'm sorry also</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223721.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:14:05 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223721</guid><dc:creator>bygrace</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223721.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223721</wfw:commentRss><description>The government has taken it appond themselves to fix everything.  Nobody is responsible for them selves anymore.  Heck what do we need school for anyway, just let the government take care of it and the mess will get bigger.</description></item><item><title>!!!!!!</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223725.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:07:04 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223725</guid><dc:creator>bygrace</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223725.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223725</wfw:commentRss><description>If parents can't see that their children are fat, maybe you'd better send them back to school also. And while they are there they can eat all the garbage snacks that the schools sell. 
What a waste of money.</description></item><item><title>Good for children</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223724.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:38:41 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223724</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223724.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223724</wfw:commentRss><description>First of all, measuring BMI does not squeeze any one fat.  It is a height-weight measurement.  Secondly, you think that these kids will be embarressed by the results being sent home?  Don't you think these kids are already embarressed by their weight?  Maybe this help kids tell their parents that they want something better for their lives.  Maybe it will help parents realize that they need to start helping kids, by feeding them healthier food and getting them to move more.</description></item><item><title>Not your business</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223723.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:47:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223723</guid><dc:creator>aly77</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223723.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223723</wfw:commentRss><description>Do you think we are all stupid? A parent knows if their child is overwieght. Embarassing a child by measuring their body fat is cruel. Sending a report of how much fat they have to their parents is not going to make the parent suddenly realize their child is overwieght. If they haven't started giving them healthier food, your report won't make them start doing it, all it does is make a child feel bad about themselves. Should we just walk the streets measuring peoples body fat?! Maybe adults don't realize they are overwieght either?! It is NOT your business to harm children this way, it is a parents responsibility to have healthy food around. I hope this bill is shut down and never approved, how dare you pass judgement on children that way. There are other ways to help overwight children besides squeezing their fat to see how much their is and telling their parents. You should be ashamed of yourself Mr.Lamar Lemmons III. Shame on you!!</description></item><item><title>Get Real</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223718.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:46:03 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223718</guid><dc:creator>Commonsense</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223718.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223718</wfw:commentRss><description>If you are a parent and can't tell if your kid is fat or not then said child should be removed from your custody ASAP.</description></item><item><title>support 3 gym days</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223722.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:39:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223722</guid><dc:creator>tripgrunt</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223722.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223722</wfw:commentRss><description>bmi is not accurate and teachers have enough to do trying to teach the changing curriculum. 

yes, schools should support kids health. however, its up to the parents to be - PARENTS. if a parent has questions regarding their childs health, the parent should be able to get support from the schools health/gym teacher. the teacher doesnt have to do the work or diagnose, just give the parents sources.

if the parents arent going to set the example by leading a healthful and active life then the child wont learn or respect. 

the best thing a school could do is learn about nutrition in health class and REQUIRE AT LEAST 3 DAYS OF GYM CLASS EACH WEEK. all health/fitness/doctors agree that at least 3 days each week (30 minutes each) is best so why not require it from the beginning?</description></item><item><title>Responsibility Lies With Parents, Not Schools</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223704.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:31:48 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:223704</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/223704.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=223704</wfw:commentRss><description>&gt;This is also about the same time frame in which lazy teachers have been talking parents into drugging any kid that actually has some energy and wants to run and play.&lt;

Poppycock.  Why does every discussion about new -- and often cockamamie (like this one) -- legislative proposals to dump new tasks on our public schools have to turn into a teacher-bashing forum?  

Teachers are not responsible for children becoming obese.  Or becoming emaciated, either.  The kid’ parents are.  Period.  End.  

It’s parents who have to take charge on their child’s weight issues.  The parents should be the ones imposie dietary and related behavioral discipline on their kids.  Schools should be supportive, in properly and appropriately supervising kids whose parents actually try to deal with their kids’ weight issues, but only within the framework of the academic-educational task.  That’s collaboration between parent and school. 

Schools can’t be held responsible or accountable for the child’s success or failure in losing/gaining body weight.  And It should not be the schools’ new responsibility to identify and institute measures to correct a kid’s problem with weight.

HB 5625 should be soundly rejected.</description></item></channel></rss>