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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Education</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/11.aspx</link><description>School Finance and Employees, Curriculum, Special Ed, Higher Ed, School Choice</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2008 (Debug Build: 30417.1769)</generator><item><title>Re: MESSA is the problem</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/283130.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:20:05 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:283130</guid><dc:creator>gypsy</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/283130.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=283130</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;The taxpayers are the employers of the union teachers. The unions are and have been more than willing to work within budget constraints.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: MESSA is the problem</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/283119.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:29:54 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:283119</guid><dc:creator>TaterSalad</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/283119.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=283119</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div id="yiv2051715394yui_3_2_0_15_132085337228037" style="right:auto;"&gt;The real problem with Public Unions is that the Union leaders during tough and lean times when the tax payers are tapped out themselves will &amp;quot;&lt;b id="yiv2051715394yui_3_2_0_15_132085766017558" style="right:auto;"&gt;only&lt;/b&gt;&amp;quot; except lay-offs as a means to balance their towns, cities, states governments.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div id="yiv2051715394yui_3_2_0_15_1320853372280881" style="right:auto;"&gt;This places the taxpayers who are the providers and funders&amp;nbsp;of these public union employees through tax collections&amp;nbsp;which brings risk and safety issues when the fireman and police are laid off instead of taking less in wages and/or benefits to balance their cities or townships budgets.&amp;nbsp; Putting the homeowners/taxpayers at risk by the Unions &amp;quot;&lt;b&gt;only lay-off policies&lt;/b&gt;&amp;quot; is wrong and immoral.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div id="yiv2051715394yui_3_2_0_15_132085766017589" style="right:auto;"&gt;Union leaders to their constituents:&amp;nbsp; &amp;quot;Keep them dues coming&amp;quot;!..............&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Amen, they don't get FREE health care</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222630.aspx</link><pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:53:39 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222630</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222630.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222630</wfw:commentRss><description>Give me a break</description></item><item><title>Health Care</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222629.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:47:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222629</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222629.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222629</wfw:commentRss><description>Get your facts straight. First of all, teachers do not get "free health care". In exchange for lower wages, teachers have negotiated to have health care premiums paid for by the district. You are welcome to negotiate the same contract with your employer. Secondly, your claim that most other professionals are more highly educated than teachers is nonsense. Most teachers hold masters degrees in addition to the additional training/education they are required to have.</description></item><item><title>Sarah</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222716.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:49:39 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222716</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222716.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222716</wfw:commentRss><description>If your bad attitute I wouldn't send my children to your schoolem. I would school them myself since I am more educated then you. My degree is in math, science and physics.</description></item><item><title>Sarah</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222628.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:47:12 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222628</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222628.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222628</wfw:commentRss><description>Why should teachers have free health care?
Most of us other professionals that are more educated then most teachers have to pay for our
health care out of our own pockets.</description></item><item><title>unions have no</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222714.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:08:21 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222714</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222714.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222714</wfw:commentRss><description>funds of their own, like government.

every dime of what they spend comes from their membership.

every dime of what they spend comes from DUES.</description></item><item><title>and this PAC</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222713.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:40:35 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222713</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222713.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222713</wfw:commentRss><description>money comes from WHERE????</description></item><item><title>It's amazing how anti-education Americans are!</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222715.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:10:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222715</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222715.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222715</wfw:commentRss><description>All I hear is: we are falling behind the rest of the world, our children need mentors, we need top jobs for the future, we need future leaders, blah blah blah.  However, who is the first person to be attacked and ridiculed?  Teachers.

Don't people realize that teachers educate this country's future?

Teachers make too much?  Have too much health insurance and big pensions?  OK...if that's the case, then why didn't you become a teacher?  How come you're working whatever job you are working making "way less" than we are and are unhappy?  YOU CHOSE to not become a teacher, why fault us?  Wouldn't you want the people directly responsible for the future of your children, of this country (!) to be making a decent living and have health care?  Would you live in a home build by drunkards making $8 an hour?  No.  Would you get an operation done by a doctor who made $10 an hour and worked for minimum benefits?  Heck no!  OK, so then would you trust your kid's education to low-paid hacks?  YES!  At least that is what most people in this country think.  How ridiculous.  

Every other country in the world is starting to pass us by because education is valued and respected in those countries.  In America, we just give it lip-service and then do everything we can to destroy it.

Remember the old adage, "you get what you pay for?"

I DARE YOU to send your kids to a school run by people making $25,000 or less a year (since teachers make too much).  Then after they graduate you can go see them at McDonald's and be proud that you just ordered a hamburger from your high achiever.</description></item><item><title>Zero</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222712.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:01:42 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222712</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222712.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222712</wfw:commentRss><description>...union dues go to elect candidates.  It's illegal to spend union dues on political campaigns.

That's what PAC money is for.</description></item><item><title>so, how much do you</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222711.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:47:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222711</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222711.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222711</wfw:commentRss><description>spend a year on union dues that pump money into campaigns that do nothing for teacher's causes?

how much does your union spend to elect candidates that are AGAINST education?</description></item><item><title>Teachers are NOT sacrificial lambs.  Sure it's a community service.</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222710.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:30:53 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222710</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222710.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222710</wfw:commentRss><description>Doesn't mean we are stupid.</description></item><item><title>no, it's about</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222709.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:01:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222709</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222709.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222709</wfw:commentRss><description>control.

you are not allowed to control your own destiny, it isn't the liberal way.

you have had far too much control over your lives and the lives of those you teach.

the liberals in congress are only out to have that next little bit of control over you, so that soon, their control will be total.

you bargaining for yourself is counter to their beliefs.</description></item><item><title>This bill...</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222708.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:42:16 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222708</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222708.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222708</wfw:commentRss><description>...is not about universal health care. It is about punishing teachers (I'd like to know what our crime is) for having the audacity to bargain for health care.</description></item><item><title>maybe i'll</title><link>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222707.aspx</link><pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:49:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">85480579-cbb1-4596-8e66-ca77d6981342:222707</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous Citizen</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/thread/222707.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://www.michiganvotes.org/forum/forums/commentrss.aspx?SectionID=11&amp;PostID=222707</wfw:commentRss><description>catch another liberal dragging red herrings.</description></item></channel></rss>