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  • 12-11-2011 2:20 PM

    Refund on your Union Dues

     

    I'm a member of a union, how do I get my money back?

     

    On UnionRefund.org you can make your own choices about how your working dues are spent. If you think that your hard earned dues should be spent on collective bargaining alone and not on politics, campaigns or lobbying you are what is called a "Beck Objector" and you can get some of your dues back.

    Where you live tells you how much money you can get back from your Union.

     

    Do I need to "resign" from my union?

     

    Yes, but here's the rest of the story.

    Employees who eventually learn of their Beck rights and want to exercise them, are routinely required by their unions to resign and become “non-members.” Because the Supreme Court Beck decision did not address whether an employee can be required to resign from his union in order to exercise his or her rights, unions impose this condition to discourage their members from pursuing Beck opportunities.

    So, yes, you technically resign in order to stop paying the "political portion" of your dues. However, since you continue to pay for the "representative" portion...your union continues to represent you on payroll, benefits and work conditions. Your pay, pension and benefits are NOT affected.

    If you resign, the union would have to continue to represent you fairly and without discrimination in all matters subject to collective bargaining. You cannot be denied any benefits under the labor contract with your employer because of non-membership.

    By resigning, you will not have the right to vote on ratification of the contract or election of union officers, and there may be benefits provided under the union's constitution and bylaws that are not available to nonmembers (however, a nonmember cannot be charged a share of the costs of member-only benefits or be fined for violating the union’s constitution or bylaws.)

    Exercising your right to object to the union agenda does not mean you forfeit benefits such as health care, pension, step increases, etc.

    Forcing a member to formally "resign" from your local union is an unnecessary union ploy designed to discourage, intimidate and scare member into NOT exercising their Beck rights. But it's a practical and logical way to make sure your union dues are not being used to fund political and civic activities you don't agree with.

     

    How long do I have to exercise my Beck Rights after I become a non-member of my union?

     

    You have thirty (30) days after your resignation to exercise your Beck Rights. If you do not exercise your rights within this time period you may do so during a specific "window" of time (generally once a year around the time your collective bargaining agreement is renewed).

     

    Will I need to renew my objections?

     

    Probably. Many unions will require you to renew your objection every year.

     

    My contract says I cannot keep my job unless I am a 'member' of the union. Will I get fired for resigning?

     

    No. When your contract uses the word member it also means "financial core" or "non-member." You will still be required to pay part of your dues being a "non-member" and this will not cause you to loose your job.

     

    What is the difference between a Right to Work Vs. Union Security Clause State?

    Getting part of your dues back is a "Beck Refund" To get your Beck refund, find out if you are a member of a Labor union. If you are a union member and you decide you want to get your Beck refund, you can choose to end your union membership. Beck means when you become a non- member of a Union, in either a right to work or union security clause state you have the right to get your union dues back. What you get back is determined by what kind of state you live in.

    As a non-member in a Right to Work Sate you do not get your Beck Refund back; instead, as a non-member, you no longer have to pay any dues to your union at all. Twenty-Eight states allow union security clauses in your labor contract forcing you to pay union dues; therefore, you must pay those dues but of those dues the part that you “object to” paying you get back as your Beck refund. In the Twenty-Two Right to Work States you do not have to pay forced dues.In a Right to Work State you can resign from a union at anytime because it is what you want to do.

    Click here to check out what kind of state you live in. Remember becoming a "non member" is essential to getting your full Beck refund back or ending all dues to your union depending on if you live in a Union Security Clause State vs. a Right to Work state.

     

    What I expect from UnionRefund.org

    As a Beck Objector you are saying no to paying the portion of your dues you would have to pay to your union for work done on lobbying, campaigns and politics. UnionRefund.org will give you an estimate of your full Beck refund based on your Beck objection to such union political spending. You will be able to fill out our Beck Refund letter based on our estimate and send it to your local union to get your money back.

    When you send your Union Refund letter from this website you can expect the following to happen from your union:

    1) The union must and will stop charging you dues for the political work you are objecting to as a "Beck objector."

    2) The union will give you the percentage and basis for your Beck refund.

    3) You can challenge the union's amount of your Beck refund based on what they say is political expense versus collective bargaining expense.

     

  • 12-13-2011 1:43 PM In reply to

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  • 12-17-2011 4:34 PM In reply to

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     SEIU and the corruption it brings to Michigan is flying below the radar.  Wake up Michigan:

    http://biggovernment.com/dbego/2011/12/16/seiu-corruption-flies-below-the-radar/

     

     

  • 12-18-2011 11:30 AM In reply to

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    Re: Refund on your Union Dues

    What is not flying low on the radar is the freedom stealing radical agenda of Snyder and his minions.

  • 12-19-2011 4:44 PM In reply to

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     Do you and your liberal, progressive, George Soros/Alinsky-ites support this one?

    Here (below article) is yet just another example of what Barack Obama's Stimulus I did/does for America.  "Edu-Jobs" is for paying bonuses to teachers with taxpayers money.  This is the same thing that Obama, Occupiers and every left wing loon has been protesting against when Wall Street and Bankers were getting a piece of the pie, questionably.  Now it seems it is "alright" because it is for Union members!  If liberals on this website respond to this and defend this, they are nuttier then we all assumed.  Please respond and defend this one.  It would be interesting to hear your spin!

    http://biggovernment.com/eagtv/2011/12/19/edujobs-dollars-to-pay-for-teacher-bonuses/

     

  • 01-23-2012 3:19 PM In reply to

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    Tater tot - good work guess after that Mrs Gypsy wont be supporting the republican party.
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  • 01-23-2012 4:32 PM In reply to

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    Re: Refund on your Union Dues

    I would venture to say that many more teachers deserve a bonus than wall streeters or bankers. There was a republican party I occasionally supported, but those days are long gone.
  • 01-24-2012 4:22 PM In reply to

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     Bonus's...........Yeah right! 

    Michigan - MEA has a 28 page manual which instructs its members to use students as propaganda for contract negotiations.  The MEA bows to the Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals".  This is why Public Unions are not wanted in the United States.
     

     

  • 01-24-2012 5:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: Refund on your Union Dues

    And what rules do you follow, as a radical?
  • 01-25-2012 1:24 PM In reply to

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    Gypsy- is this true about this 28 page manual using children for the MEAs position, My interest for asking is because we donate large amounts of toys, food, money to area schools and i need to know if this is a fact or fiction ?
  • 01-25-2012 3:20 PM In reply to

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     We notice that you are not denying the MEA position on your manual!  Friend/Gypsymoth.............you are a complete hypocrite!

    How about clicking on this website, right here in Michigan and very trustworthy: 

    http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16353

    http://brianekoenig.com/2012/01/michigan-teachers-union-manual-children-as-propaganda-tool/

     

  • 01-25-2012 4:47 PM In reply to

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    Re: Refund on your Union Dues

    rtdbussiness(sic)...... Maybe you and tatertot could pool your pennies and by some girl scout cookies. That's a good cause too. Just how would you define "using the children". I'm sure you don't mean that pointing out to the taxpayers our children's education is important to the future of our state is using them. You may need to ask a teacher about this, so don't skip class again tomorrow.
  • 01-25-2012 4:54 PM In reply to

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    Re: Refund on your Union Dues

    Mr.Tater, Of course I am not denying your ridiculous statement, or visiting your weird websites. It would be as silly as denying your claim the moon is made from green cheese.
  • 01-25-2012 4:57 PM In reply to

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     gypsy...........your last comment actually exposes the typical liberal, Party of Food Stamps ideology of what we are talking about.  To a liberal it is all right but when a conservative says or does something like this with children........it is wrong.  We really feel sorry for you and your morals and principals being compromised, along with your children to get your points across to the other party.  Pathetic!

     

  • 01-25-2012 5:02 PM In reply to

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     Obviously this is what you and your liberal/progressive elk subscribe to:  Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals!  Sad.......but true!

     

    1. One’s concerns with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s personal interest in the issue.

    Here he is saying that it is easy to judge the behavior of others as ethical or unethical if your ass isn’t on the line. “We all have strength enough to endure the misfortune of others.”

    2. The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment.

    Here he explains that all is relative. A hawk may seem evil to a field mouse while we judge the hawk to be morally neutral. Wolves are evil to deer and the George Washington was evil in the judgment of King George II. He would today that bin Laden is only evil to Americans but that is a subjective judgment. He is no more evil to his supporters than was George Washington to the colonial citizens.

    3. In war the end justifies almost any means.

    When your ass is on the line, you can do anything and it may be considered moral. He relates the story of Winston Churchill welcoming the Soviet Union to the alliance against Hitler and being asked if it was morally acceptable to form an alliance with a totalitarian murderer like Stalin, Churchill assured his questioner that there is was no moral issues in partnering with Stalin. He said, “I have only one purpose, the destruction of Hitler, and my life is much simplified thereby. If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least one favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons.”

    4. Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point.

    Habeus corpus is a moral good but Abraham Lincoln suspended it during the Civil War and used illegal military commissions to try civilians. Alinsky believes that this was morally acceptable then, due to the circumstances, even if it wouldn’t be today.

    5. Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa.

    Here he essentially says that, when you have multiple means, you should use the most ethical. If you are limited with a single means for achieving your end, you should use it without consideration of the ethics of it… you have no other choice. If you have many choices of means to achieve your end, you can and should concern yourself with ethics.

    6. The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means.

    This is pretty straight forward. Ends of little importance should have their means intensely vetted. With critically important ends, the ethics of the means become of little consequence.

    7. Generally success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics.

    History is written by the winners. If you are successful in accomplishing your end, your means will be judged ethical regardless of what occurred.

    8. The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory.

    It isn’t okay to go straight to the nuclear option. If, on the other hand, the enemy is at the gates and defeat is imminent, you can take the gloves off. When you are making your last stand, anything you do is ethical.

    9. Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical.

    Blockading Southern ports during the Civil War was judged unethical by the Confederates. Fighting like Indians and savages by the militia during the U.S. Revolutionary War was considered unethical by the British. Tea parties and boisterous townhall meetings are considered unethical by Pelosi and Reid. If it works, the opposition will call it unethical.

    10. You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.

    Alinsky claims that Gandhi would rather have fought the British with firearms but he had no guns and he had no army. Therefore he invented nonviolent resistance and pretended that it was his first choice due to the ethics of it. Alinsky argues that nonviolence was his only choice so he draped it in morality so it didn’t appear to be the only choice of a weak movement.

    11. Goals must be phrased in general terms like “ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity,” “Of the Common Welfare,” “Pursuit of Happiness,” or “Bread and Peace.”

    Alinsky wants to ensure a “goal once named cannot be countermanded.” It doesn’t matter that setting out to preserve the Union becomes a quest to end slavery if the entire enterprise has its goals marketed broadly in terms of freedom and liberty. It is all in the spin.

    The summation of these rules is that there is no objective morality or individual ethic. All ethics and morality are circumstantial and, while all ends don’t justify any means, there are ends that justify any means. Alinsky argues that important ends justify almost any means and that individual morality is the hobgoblin of history’s losers.

    The above set of rules certainly justify as ethical and moral the waterboarding of Kahlid Sheik Mohammad as a means to save many thousands of American lives. The above rules also justify Holder’s investigation and prosecution of the waterboarders. The ethical justification of Holder’s hobbling of the CIA is to solidify the support of the base for Obama and to bring about the Administration’s goal of weakening the CIA and its ability to, in their view, oppress people around the world. Obama and Holder almost certainly have no opposition to waterboarding per se, they are simply using available means to reach what they see as critically important ends. This, according to Alinsky, is all perfectly ethical.

    You will find in the Obama Administration no moral compass. The term “moral compass” implies there is some objective “true north” of moral and ethical behavior. As students of Alinsky, Obama and his enablers believe no such objectively moral absolutes exist. Individual ethics are for suckers. Anchored morality is for losers. The ends will always justify the means for the victorious.

    This is the opponent we face. We should not be surprised when the Obama Administration justifies shocking means to what they deem critical ends.

     

     

  • 01-25-2012 5:03 PM In reply to

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    Re: Refund on your Union Dues

    We? Are you speaking for a group? Perhaps the teabaggers? Or maybe just you and the spelling challenged rtdbussiness? What are you talking about teachers doing with children that you view as wrong?
  • 01-25-2012 5:05 PM In reply to

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    You seem to have a thing for Saul Alinsky. Never read his works, but I do know he died many years ago. Too bad he couldn't be around to enjoy his new found celebrity.
  • 01-26-2012 1:29 PM In reply to

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    Gypsy - pooling monies with tater isn't required if you want to know why ask. the manual i read it and what a joke but nonetheless just identical to a typical union mess enough holes in it to defeat any union. page twenty clearly denotes using the children and their ability to learn as bargaining tools. First - I do not bargain or negotiate with Terroists and or communists or union slugs. gypsy got any more stupid remarks you;d like to share , racial slurs. you madam are a trip. did you spend your husbands union signing bonus or taxpayer funded buyout.
  • 01-26-2012 4:06 PM In reply to

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     gypsy moth............looks like your boy President and Messiah of the Party of Food Stamps was a no show.  Why?  He went out to Arizona to berate a 70 year old governor, a woman about a book that was written that didn't bow to the Ruler!  Your Boy President is nothing but a condescending punk and you and your typical liberals follow this punk around like he knows what he is doing. Pathetic!

    http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/no-ruling-in-birther-1318374.html

     

  • 01-26-2012 5:29 PM In reply to

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    You must be reading the manual as revised by Glenn Beck. The manual actually suggest teachers stress the importance of the job they have in educating children. I'm sure you would agree if a teacher had spent a little more time with you, maybe you would have a better opinion of them. Glad to hear you don't negotiate with terrorist or communist. Me either. Actually, I don't have a husband. Do you?
  • 01-26-2012 5:35 PM In reply to

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    You mean that poor old lady out in Arizona who couldn't remember her lines on TV? Maybe she has a touch of Alzheimer's. I hope not.
  • 01-26-2012 5:36 PM In reply to

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     http://biggovernment.com/jhart/2012/01/26/michigan-union-bosses-hate-school-choice/

    Better have another long talk with your Union Boss and the MEA!

     

  • 01-26-2012 5:39 PM In reply to

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    Re: Refund on your Union Dues

    You posted this same statement on another subject. Me thinks you might be running out of talking points. Better call Faux news for some new ones.
  • 01-26-2012 5:40 PM In reply to

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     I do have a wife but with your previous posts, we all can come to the same conclusion on why you don't have a husband.  We will pray for your return to society with morals and values after your long battle with liberalism.  The Party of Food Stamps has the power to corrupt a persons well being.  Look at your Boy President and it all falls into place.

     

  • 01-26-2012 5:43 PM In reply to

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    I believe you may reach the wrong reason I don't have a husband, but whatever. Please don't waste your prays on me, they would be much more appreciated by your Republican party leaders this November.
  • 01-27-2012 1:13 PM In reply to

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    Gypsy- since you gave it a shot i was married to man, and you say you don't have a husband hopefully by choice. You could have a life partner though, sorry i did not include all the options but these days the list of options is growing and too numerous too list and some may be deemed inappropiate. ?
  • 01-28-2012 9:10 AM In reply to

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    Re: Refund on your Union Dues

    Union membership edged up in 2011 by 49,000.
  • 01-28-2012 12:50 PM In reply to

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     So happen to know if those people who are now Union members out of a population of over 326 million in the U.S. were forced to sign up as Union members and forced to pay Union dues each month or were they volunteers?

    With that said you also have to take into account this article and the what is happening:

    http://romanticpoet.wordpress.com/2012/01/28/hostess-foods-company-files-bankruptcy-unions-scramble-to-protect-pensions/

    I wonder why Hostess couldn't make a profit?  Have any idea's?  Why are Union elected officials trying to protect the pensions and "legacy costs" that were incurred by this company that put them into this crisis?  Have any idea? Sounds familiar ..............as with The Big Three?  as with Solyndra?  as with the 11 more green companies that will be going into bankruptcies.............after they donate to the Obama regime before going under!  How's "your" cronyism doing now liberal gypsy?

     

  • 01-28-2012 3:07 PM In reply to

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    Gypsymoth.  How do you like your Messiah, Barack Obama and his appointed NLRB board now?  How about giving all of us conservatives your real name, your address and home phone number now instead of waiting a while longer.  We are going to get it anyhow by the looks of this article.  I'm sure that Jimmy Hoffa Jr. or Richard Trumka won't mind because they will be giving it to their thugs anyhow.  Doesn't this make someone want to join a Union.  Sorry for the 49,000 that just joined up but they are in for some rude awakenings it would seem. 

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/01/27/obamas-nlrb-considers-forcing-businesses-to-turn-over-employee-phone-numbers-email-addresses-to-union-bosses/

     

  • 01-29-2012 1:30 PM In reply to

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    Re: Refund on your Union Dues

    Mr. Tatertot, I would gladly give you my information; if you would first give me yours.
  • 01-29-2012 1:32 PM In reply to

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    Oh, I think I've mentioned before, I don't put much stock in information from a website named "weaselzippers".
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