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There should be a bill introduced to protect those who are forced to join a Union and who do not receive fair representation.

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This is your typical Union thugs that Barack Obama caters to.  From "Little 
Jimmy" Hoffa and his SOB remarks about the Tea Party and Republicans 
to Maxine Waters and even the Vice President of the United States we are 
wittnessing the complete assault and harassment on American citizens who do not 
agree with Unions or liberal/progressive, entitlement, ideology and tactics.
  
1.  Union goons:   http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/09/video-union-goon-of-the-day/
  
2.  Jimmy Hoffa:  http:/www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html  

3.  The Hoffa effect:   http://moonbattery.com/?p=2032

 .................and then we have this from our elected representatives:
  
These are "all" Barack Obama supporters.  He has not said one word to 
curb this type of hate speech.
 
  
Maxine Waters:  
http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/08/kerosene-maxine-tea-party-go-hell 
  
Andre Carson:  
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/08/rep-andre-carson-tea-party-wants-to-see-blacks-hanging-on-a-tree/
  
Joe Biden:  
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/09/biden_equates_tea_party_gop_with_barbarians.html

 

 MEA is using our children to further their wages, their benefits and their second and third homes at our taxpayers expense(s):

How about clicking on this website, right here in Michigan and very trustworthy: 

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16353

http://brianekoenig.com/2012/01/michigan-teachers-union-manual-children-as-propaganda-tool/

Public unions have been more than willing to work with localities to reduce cost in hard economic times.

 Yeah, right............MEA, FSME in Detroit.  Give us a break!  They are a joke as we speak.

 They are fighting the Emergency Manager all the way instead of taking on the problem...........legacy costs!  The EM is just a "buffer" so in the end it will be a Federal Judge and it will be 100 times worse than it would be if they don't correct the deficiencies NOW.  Pensioneers will take the biggest hit in the end and then who are the MEA and FSME going to blame..........George Bush like their hero Obama?  Typical !

The emergency manager is an affront against democracy. You would think the teabagger's would be incensed with the theft of liberty involved in an appointed bureaucrat taking the power from elected officials.

 gypsy.........you have just exposed yourself to hypocrisy yet again!  Why?  I'm sure that you support your Missiah's Czar's that have been appointed, on the taxpayers dime and with your support?  right? Sad !  You can cut someone but when it is turned on you, you don't have an answer!  Typical liberal whimp!

Poor Mr. tater, so enamored of media hype. "Czar" is a nickname used by the media to describe various executive branch officials appointed to oversee certain policies. They do not, as opposed to Snyder's financial managers, have the authority to remove elected officials. Your lesson for the day.

 Better have another talk with your Union bosses then:

http://biggovernment.com/jhart/2012/01/26/michigan-union-bosses-hate-school-choice/

I don't have any "union bosses" to talk with.

 The Food Stamp President:

 http://news.investors.com/Article/598993/201201260805/entitlements-soar-under-president-obama.htm

You see something wrong with the working poor having enough to eat? We're in a jobs recession you know, thanks to the last republican "trickle down" experiment.

  Behonest.  What would the fair representation entail? (just inquisitive)

 gypsy. I don't know a single Republican that believes that the poor should not have enough to eat. (and I know many Democrats and Republicans)    There's enough blame to go around for everyone with this recession.

There is a difference in believing people should have enough to eat, and making sure they do. Government's role in providing basic necessities to it's citizens is the ideological difference between the political parties.

 To liberals,  the term "basic necessities" has been expanded to also mean, electricity, air conditioning, running water, free homes and 99 plus weeks of unemployment without looking for a job.  All this at someone else's expense.  Problem:  The are more free loaders now under the Obama regime (45 million plus) on food stamps.  Hence..........the Party of Food Stamps has been born and rightfully so!

 Gypsy.........read this and try to understand what is going on in the United States instead of always wanting someone to give your friends a freebee and what it is doing to free enterprise.

 

Published on Jan 28, 2012 by gopweeklyaddress. In the Weekly Republican Address, Florida Senator Marco Rubio explains the failures of the Obama administration. He contrasts those with the promise of America that he and Republicans believe in, if the government stops doing the wrong things.

Sen. Rubio says, "As you know, earlier this week, President Obama delivered his fourth annual address to Congress. It was an opportunity for the President to talk about his accomplishments over the last three years and to lay out his plans for the year ahead.

"And he missed on both counts.

"You didn't hear much talk about the success of his Administration—and that's because there isn't much.

"Yes, this President inherited a significant national debt, but over the last three years he's made it worse. Our national debt has grown by nearly 50 percent since he took over, and now, for the first time since World War II, our national debt is larger than our country's economy.

"Yes, this President inherited an economy where unemployment was too high, but over the last three years he's made it worse. Today our unemployment rate is higher than the day he took office. In fact, since he took over, it's been stuck over 8 percent every single month.

"This President didn't talk about his record for one simple reason; he doesn't want you to know about it. But you do know about it, because you feel the failure of his leadership every single day of your life.

"The bottom line is this President inherited a country with serious problems. He asked the Congress to give him the stimulus and Obamacare to fix it. The Democrats in Congress gave it to him. And not only did it not work, it made everything worse.

"President Obama has a year left in the White House. So what are his plans now to make things better? What does he plan to do now, that he didn't do before? Well we got our answer Tuesday night. He plans to divide us against each other. To pit Americans against other Americans in the hopes of generating enough votes to get re-elected.

"He tells Americans worried about their jobs that the way to help them is to raise their bosses' taxes.

"He tells those who are hurting that the only way they can be better off, is for others to be worse off.

"He tells all of us that the only way for some of us to climb up the economic ladder is for others to be pulled down.

"This divisive rhetoric, this effort to gain political support by convincing some that they will be better off if we punish others, this stuff has never worked anywhere it's been tried.

"People end up fleeing countries who adopt economic policies based on these flawed principles. And more often than not, they come here.

"They come here because this is not who we are.

"Americans have always believed that all of us can succeed.

"That those who have made it fairly, can stay there. And those who are trying to make it will have a real chance to join them.

"This is what has made us different. This is what has made us prosperous. This is what makes us exceptional.

"And now, for the first time in my adult life, we have a President who's asking us to abandon our economic heritage.

"To become like the countries people come here to get away from.

"To become like everybody else.

"Yes, people are hurting. Yes, there is a growing gap between the rich and the poor.

"But the way to solve it is not to embrace the 'trickle up poverty' economics of other nations.

"The way to solve it is to embrace the American Free Enterprise system.

"No economic system is perfect. But the American Free Enterprise system has empowered millions of people in the past. I know, because I saw it with my own eyes.

"My father was a bartender. And I thank God every night that there was someone willing to risk their money to build a hotel on Miami Beach and later in Las Vegas where he could work.

"I thank God that there was enough prosperity in America so people could go on vacation to Miami or Las Vegas. Where people felt prosperous enough to have weddings or Bar Mitzvahs and, by the way, could leave tips in my Dad's little tip jar. Because with that money he raised us. And he gave me the opportunity to do things he never had a chance to do.

"Now, we had help along the way. I had student loans and grants from the government to help me get my education. And I went to our public school system.

"That's an important role for government to play. And so I also thank God that we had an economy prosperous enough to afford to pay for these things as well.

"So, I'll just close by saying, I hope this year will be the beginning of our work towards a new and prosperous American century.

"Because I know that this idea of a nation where anyone from anywhere can accomplish anything, it's not just something I read about in history books. I've seen it in my own life. And there's no reason why we cannot continue it here, if only we do the right things."

 

Indeed, there is an ideological difference…  Is it the role or in the institution of our government to provide for the basic necessities of its citizens?  How is necessities defined and by whom?  In the distribution of the funds from the public treasury we must be careful to differentiate between needs and wants. 

One ideological difference, (I cannot in good conscience bypass) is the taking by proxy what is not mine to give for the want of another. If the government provides food for those who are unable to provide themselves, then this a good use of funds.  I will not though take from one person’s house to build another’s to be left with two shanties. Nor supply to the wants to those who would not work for such.

There are more people on food stamps because of the financial recession of 2008, which Obama inherited.

 Wrong again gypsy.  Add another 15 millionn to the rolls since Captain Bullshi_ has taken the reins

The idea that those in need are in that condition because they won't work is demagoguery. There are lazy rich people, and there are lazy poor people. There are rich people who work very hard, and there are poor people who work very hard. Most poor people who require assistance from the government are poor because of lack of education, ability, opportunity, health, or just plain unfortunate. Those rich people who are successful have worked hard, but also have enjoyed opportunity provided by our country and government. Your analogy of taking from one person's house to build two shacks is misleading. No one financially able to buy or build a comfortable house has been unable to because of the taxes he pays. But many homeless and poor have been housed because of those taxes.

Mr. Tater. That is what I said. Only a child would think a President has the power to magically extricate us from a financial catastrophe like Bush left us. Financial recessions take years to come out of. By the way, the food stamp program was expanded under W..

   Gypsy it would be demagoguery if that is what I said, but it is not. It is true what you say about the poor and rich being both lazy and hard workers. That was the point; I would not assist a lazy man whether rich or poor. My apologies if I failed to establish that. Nor did I say that a person was unable to person buy or build a house. The analogy was that to one shouldn’t take funds one and give to another for something someone wants. It is also true what you’ve about housing the poor and homeless. I have no qualms with providing shelter for the homeless, only with the institutionalization of them into that system. As it used to be said, “A hand up, not a handout” that is what I believe. As to your point about the taxes on and housing, you are correct again. My brother-in-law may have lay off roughly forty people due to the tax increase on his business. He can no longer afford them after doing his own personal downsizing to try to save their jobs. Perhaps it didn't prevent them from building or buying, but it may just put them on government assistance.

  Everybody has a story gypsy, I assure mine has not been wealth, but more towards the rags to work to provide. If you wish to state how the system helped me and my family and how we benefited from it. I would say we survived and thrived in spite of it. There is no doubt that people are on hard times, but we must ask how far we are willing to go. My father while in our poverty would’ve never taken a dime unless he could somehow work for it. Some would call it pride, but he called it principle. On your list above my family fit into all of it lack of education, ability, opportunity, health, or just plain unfortunate. If not for the charity of others, unity of our family, and my father’s iron will we might not have made it through it.  I could give you numerous stories of working with the poor and homeless in the Detroit area, but that seems unnecessary.

 30 million or so under GWB administration and now there is 45 to 46 million on Fodd Stamps since Capt. BS took over the jobs promising to get this country back on track.  He ran for the job and now he is running from the electorate. He, Barack Obama is the biggest joke on the face of the earth...............but then we now have to take into account................you!

Yes, you do have to take into account me, and many others who don't get our information from weaselzipper, but rather base our decisions on facts.

Today's tax rates are strikingly low relative to rates of the last century. Your brother-in-law's need to law off workers is either because he is not selling his product or service, is mismanaging his business, or is just getting out of business for personal reasons. People are on hard times, and the function of government is not to coddle the fortunate and throw away the unfortunate, but to provide the environment for all of us to thrive to our best abilities. To that end, we all must share in sacrifice, so we all may share in reward. We are in this condition precisely because we lost sight of that goal, and let greed overcome unanimity.

gypsy - you fool todays tax rates are paying for past expenditures we have not gotten to the Current tax rate for your level of enjoyment. GM union employees seem to have been the fortunate here perhaps his business was related to that industry and their trend of not paying suppliers, have been the unfortunate.

I know facts sometimes don't fit your political ideology rtdbussiness(sic), but they still are the facts. Federal taxes are at their lowest level in more than 60 years. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that federal taxes would consume just 14.8 percent of G.D.P. this year. The last year in which revenues were lower was 1950, according to the Office of Management and Budget.

 

That doesn't even get to first base in believability. More nonsense from the weaselzippers.

Obama's policies have added $1.4 trillion to the debt, Bush's added $7 trillion.

 Gypsy...do you live in the United States or Peru?  Your facts are about 2-1/2 years behind what has happened and reported.........or you are somking some real heavy sh_ _!  You and your liberal moonbats sure can come up with some figures that even Europe would be proud of. 

gypsy:

Obama's policies have added $1.4 trillion to the debt, Bush's added $7 trillion.

 

 Actually Bush added 4 trillion which averages out to 1/2 trillion per year. Keep in mind that it took the first 40 presidents 2 CENTURIES to hit ONE trillion! On 7-3-08, on a campaign stop in North Dakota, candidate Barack Hussein Obama called this wreckless spending "unpatriotic." And he was right. He has since added nearly 6 trillion to the debt! Most of which came in his first two years in office when he had a Democrat majority in both the House and Senate. 6 trillion in 3 years averages out to 2 trillion per year. Meaning BHO spent as much in one year as GWB spent in one term! Which is twice as much as the first 40 did in 200 years! If what GWB did was "unpatriotic" what do you call this?!!

 

governmentgonewild.org

Actually, Bush added $7 trillion.

 

  

By the numbers according to http://www.treasurydirect.gov

George W. Bush entered office with the National Debt at $5,727,776,738,304.64 and left the Debt at $10,626,877,048,913.00 for an addition of $4,899,100,310,608.36 (96 Months)

Barack H. Obama entered office with the National Debt at $10,626,877,048,913.00 and to the present stands at $15,356,140,493,616.00 for an addition of $4,729,263,444,703.00 (36 Months)

The really sad thing is that none of the this brings unfunded liability into play.

http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp

With a national GDP of $15,294,300,000,000.00 and a debt of $15,356,140,493,616.00, we now owe more than the country as a whole earns in a year. The CBO estimates that the budget deficit will be 1.1 trillion dollars. http://www.cbo.gov  

There are drastic cuts across the board that have to be made and the wealth just isn’t there. People paying a, “fair share” won’t even dent this.

 

 

By the numbers according to http://www.treasurydirect.gov

George W. Bush entered office with the National Debt at $5,727,776,738,304.64 and left the Debt at $10,626,877,048,913.00 for an addition of $4,899,100,310,608.36 (96 Months)

Barack H. Obama entered office with the National Debt at $10,626,877,048,913.00 and to the present stands at $15,356,140,493,616.00 for an addition of $4,729,263,444,703.00 (36 Months)

http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp

With a national GDP of $15,294,300,000,000.00 and a debt of $15,356,140,493,616.00, we now owe more than the country as a whole earns in a year. The CBO estimates that the budget deficit will be 1.1 trillion dollars. http://www.cbo.gov  There are drastic cuts across the board that have to be made and the wealth just isn’t there. People paying a, “fair share” won’t even dent this.

 

Obama doesn't run American Airlines, Microsoft, or the UMass hospital. He also isn't responsible for the weather.