Michigan Votes Forum

Introduced in the House on January 13, 2011

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This is great, and hard to believe it's coming from a Democrat no less!

Lets start making calls to support this proposed legislation.

his is great, and hard to believe it's coming from a Democrat no less!

Lets start making calls to the Judiciary Committee to support this legislation as proposed.

Hey msmith you double tapped this one............. and reference the bill being proffered it's not even April 1st (April Fools day) 

 

 

 

You would notice lol. 

I wish someone in their right mind would have been carrying a concealed pistol in Arizona the other day!  They may have been able to saved some lives.  "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."  Sometime we need to be able to protect one another no matter where we are.  

It's about time. Thankfully, you can open carry in most of these areas with a CPL already, but this would solve many issues.

Yes, this is a great idea, but it should include all weapons, like knifes, mace, tasers, bazookas, rocket launcers, etc.. You never know when you may need to defend yourself. Too bad those people in Tucson aren't allowed to carry concealed weapons.... oh wait, they are. But nobody returned gun fire. That's funny. Things probably would have turned out alot better if they all had opened up and shot at that guy.

It's about time that someone suggested this. These are the places that have had some of the largest killing sprees . If someone with a CPL had been able to carry ,maybe they could have stoped the killings.

About time! So called "Gun Free Zones" are nothing more than invitations for people wishing to do harm, knowing that they will have little opposition to their actions. Concealed carry permit holders are like solders, willing to defend the lives of themselves as well as those around them from the likes of the Jared Loughner's in Tucson. It sure wasn't the "government" preventing such atrosities, but individuals willing to get involved (CPL holders, etc.), that would have lessened the destructive actions of such deranged and desperate people. The government should be an enabler, not a disabler.

Suprisingly,the ONLY thing you listed that is illegal currently in your post is tasers,its a felony to posses one,even operational rocket launchers are legal so long as they are registered with the ATF.

 

From what i hear,people in tuscon did have guns,they just opted to tackle the shooter rather than return the favor.

 

I fully support this bill,however i do think it should be amended to allow non CPL holders to open carry in all of the places restricted too.

I support this 100%. Gun-free zones are only gun free for the law abiding. Criminals don't care.

 Where did you get that info? I can't believe that they waited for the guy to empty 30 rounds before they did anything. That statement sounds like something an anti-gun group would say to "show" that guns didn't lessen the deaths because the carriers were cowards. Someone said if one person had been carrying, their may have been fewer deaths and injuries. The statement may be an attempt to counter that argument.

 I fully support this Bill.  As already stated, only aw abiding citizens don’t carry in gun-free-zones, the criminals cover up their guns.  Anyone who thinks different is living with their head in the sand.

 Being a bit silly aren't  you, Gypsy?

I thought everyone posting here was being silly. Aren't they?

I fully support this.  I don't know how many times I've had to leave my pistol in the vehicle because of these "zones".  Oddly enough its those places where you become most vulnerable due to criminals not obeying the law in the first place...thus the reason they are CRIMINALS.  

In Arizona,From what I understand there were CPL's with guns drawn but they were in the store when they heard the shooting and came running towards the scene, by the time they got there it was done,unfortunately the man holding the shooters gun was ALMOST shot by one of the cpl's thinking he was the shooter, close call, that would have been terrible for our cause. I feel that if every law abiding citizen carried a gun like they all carry cellphones some lives could have been saved in Arizona that day for sure.  

Yeah. Shootout at the Safeway, rather than the OK corral.That would have really looked good for the NRA. Too bad Wyatt didn't carry a Glock with a 33 cartridge clip. Not only would he have killed the badguys, but half the town and their horses.

 This is a great bill, and way past due. I too have been forced to leave my weapon in my vehicle while entering many "gun free zones". How does this keep the public more safe when now my weapon could become a target of thieves? Even if we can't do away with ALL of the zones, let's at least tone them down and eliminate the ridiculous (bars, events, churches, etc.).

Let's all go one step further though. I want to be able to:

1. Keep my licensed firearm secured in my vehicle, even on "company property". Many companies currently make this an offense and can terminate your employment if discovered. How can that be when the state says I can transport it anywhere in the state?

2. Be able to wear my pistol concealed upon my person at work. More touchy and complicated than number 1 I agree, but I'm sure the conditions and wording could be developed.

If pistol-free zones worked well, Chicago would not have had any violence that could be attributed to pistols prior to November, 2011. As "shocking" as it may be, they did have pistol-related violence committed by people that could not legally possess handguns (this is based on the fact that a very select amount of individuals were able to possess sidearms in chicago, such as law enforcement). The main concern, in regards to conceal carrying and pistol-free zones, emphasis for the argument should be on protection from people that are not legally able to possess firearms, not the pistol-free zones themselves (by that, I mean that pistol-free zone or not, a person who wants to carry a gun illegally will do it regardless of where they are or if they are able to carry it because their actions are no longer determined by the legallity of the situation). As stated by an earlier post, criminals do not care if they are allowed to carry a gun onto a college campus. It can therefore be deduced that if a person were to commit a gun crime, it would better for their personal safety to do it in an area where it is unlikely that they will be shot by a bystander (this will be supported later by Lott and Mustard). Similarly, research supports the fact that the majority of guns used in crimes are not possessed legally (Stolzenberg, L. and D'Alessio, S.J. (2000), Gun availability and violent crime: New evidence from the national incident-based reporting system. Social Forces, 78:4: p. 1461-82). How many people in the state of Michigan who have a CPL obtain their firearms illegally? Furthermore, the prevalence of legally possessed firearms being used in a crime is very low (Cook, P. J., Ludwig, J., Venkatesh, S. and Braga, A. A. (2007), Underground gun markets. The Economic Journal, 117: p.588–618).  Even more compelling is the fact that there is little evidence to support the ideas that as legitimate gun ownership increases, so does violent crime but there is evidence that evidence suggests that as illegal gun availability increases, so does violent crime (Stolzenberg, et. al), therefore, there is a need for personal protection. Even more compelling is the evidence that supports the fact that allowing law-abiding citizens without a history of mental illness to conceal carry a pistol has been shown to deter violent crime (Lott, J.R. And Mustard, D.B. (1997), Crime, deterrence, and right-to-carry concealed handguns. The Journal of Legal Studies. 26:1: p. 1-68.) and that offenders are less likely to commit a crime against a person they believe are armed and are more fearful of an armed citizen than a police officer (Wright & Rossi, 1986, as cited in Stolzenberg & D'Alessio, 2000, 1464). 

People can argue that firearms in pistol-free zones is not safe but facts show that people with CPLs are not the ones that are most likley to commit a violent crime. People that have a CPL generally appreciate the ability to carry a firearm and enjoy the opportunity to legally own firearms; they have much more to lose than a felon or criminal that will simply have one more charge added to their conviction if they are caught with an illegal firearm that they had with an itent to commit a crime. Police are not intended to prevent crimes but, as research has shown, the threat of attacking someone who has a firearm is a deterrent (Lott et. al). People can state their beliefs and opinions that eliminating pistol-free zones would be hazardous. However, they are just that, beliefs and opinions that you are mpore than entitled to. The points that I stated do come from peer-reviewed, scholarly journals and, until proven otherwise, are compelling arguments that are not based on opinions. People who are able to legally carry pistols should be able to do so because of the reason they carry them, protection. If you are unable to protect yourself, who is going to protect you? 

 

 

 

 Reference House Bill 5009

 

I am a disabled 63 year old senior citizens who has been playing card at The Sand Lake Senior Center Sand Lake Michigan Iosco County for over 7 years There ae anywhere from 10-20 people play on Monday Wednesday, hursday and Friday 

 

Last Friday the district manager - Julie Ann Jones  announced to us Seniors we could no longer play any cards at the Senior Center. We normally play Cribbage, Eucher or Pinnocle we have NEVER played any poker games or high stake card >  II guess I should not of said what do you want us to play Old Maid or is that forbidden. She insulted us we her remark if we behave ourselver she may consider ALLOWING us to play once a month on Fridays. I am not a child and do not appreciate the way we are treated. Meals are not even good.......She gave us no reason why she would not allow I again say allow us to play any cards/ I have played these card games at leat two to three times a week for seven years I look forward to getting out of the house and socialize. Well we are going to play Wednes let her lock us out. We have our signs that Say UNFAIR to Senor Citiszens..   WHY cant we play these innocent games she gave us no reason... She never does.  Pat Cook 989-362-7098

 Looks like someone has more power than they can handle. Maybe it's time to put her in her place-which would be somewhere where there are people like her. That's would be justice.

 Gypsy, are you trying to be cute or are you really that nutty? I doubt anyone here would call  bazookas or rocket launchers  self defense weapons.

 Good post, Jenni!

"I doubt anyone here would call bazookas or rocket launchers self defense weapons. " Unless someone tried to build a empire in your neighborhood..................

 Exactly what are you referring to. What kind of neighborhood "empire"?

Oh say like Iran\China\Russia doesn't like the way BHO\USA is stock piling WMDs, and living their lives. So they decide to come here and show us the right way to conduct our daily business. What kind of weapons would you consider appropriate for self defense in that scenario.....?

 Our military, reserves  and National Guard. You've been playing too many video games or are wrapped up in the Michigan Militia.

Maybe a thought as to where the brunt of them are right now, might make you stop and think....Are they empire building in some foreign land? ......hmmmmmmmmm You better log off and practice your "I give up 'fetal' position" you may need it before you know it.

dear Protector - Most Police carry an assortment of Licensed Firearms maybe changing jobs? and the rest of us would not need any more laws.