Michigan Votes Forum

Wow, so our state is trying to pre-empt the president on a health care system! Okay stupid legislaters, why don't YOU offer YOUR "NON-GOVERNMENT" health care benefits to ALL of the state's residents at the SAME cost YOU pay out of pocket!

Seriously though, the potential health care bill going before the House and Senate is supposed to REQUIRE that health care be available for all at a reasonable cost- INCLUDING that employers offer it! Some states are already awesome enough to have UNIVERSAL health insurance! No, stupid Michigan doesn't want to take care of it's residents, or let the US government help them either. I can just see it now, that by Michigan passing this bill we'll loose more funding over something.

Also, don't we already regulate the crap out of Blue Cross? Aren't certain providers (like Foote Hospital/Allegiance) REQUIRED to accept Medicaid? That's government health care.

 mabenton3579 - There is nothing is our U.S. Constitution that allows for the federal government to dictate government run health insurance.  Read Article 1, Section 8 of the enumerated, limited powers of Congress.  The government has no business telling you what you have to buy -- let alone penalizing, or crimininalizing those who don't want to purchase health insurance.  It is like telling someone they have to purchase auto insurance even though they don't want to purchase a vehicle. 

Health care is not a right -- it is a product, a commodity.  Show me anywhere in the U.S. or States' Constitutions that Health Care is a right.

 Where do you think the government really gets the money from?  Those who pay taxes.  The more gov't bureaucracies that are created - the more the taxpayers are taxed to run the increased bureaucracies for salaries, benefits and perks.  The results, the less discretionary income those working (that foot the bill) have for purchasing power to keep the private sector businesses humming and creating jobs.

The government was wrong to create Medicaid, and Medicare, because it has no lawful right to be in the insurance business.  So, you want to compound the problem and the costs by passing more unlawful, unconstitutional legislation?  Why have these representatives take an Oath of Office to abide and uphold our foundational documents if they are going to ignore it? 

I totally agree with our legislature upholding the 10th Amendment and I hope  the resolution is passed.  Our Michigan legislatures are not pre-empting the president.  President Obama is trying to do an end-run around our constitutionally protected, unalienable rights! 

mabenton3579, You seriously need to read the Constitution. You obviously dont know how our form of government was organized. The problem here is the President trying to take control of ALL the states-in violation of the Constitution. Somebody needs to tell him to get down off his high-horse and find out that the FedGov does NOT over-ride States Rights. As for your 'reasonable cost' for this so-caled universal health care, you aparently havent  paid much attention to the kind of costs the expets are estimating - I guarantee it will be more than you're paying now. And if you're over 55, you will have fewer services.

I dont doubt you consider yourself a bright, well-educated liberal 'progressive' - and obviously you are seriously under-educated in civics and how the world actually works. You're just blowing butterflies out of your butt  because you WANT to believe something is true. Tell me, do you try that crap with Consumers Energy when they want you to pay your bill? Well, I dont want to pay for your stupidity-there's a limit to charity here somewhere.

Some of us are self-actualizing enough to want to accomplish things for ourselves. We expect our legislature to defend that right for us. This bill does that!

inform4:

The government was wrong to create Medicaid, and Medicare, because it has no lawful right to be in the insurance business.

The constitution as interpreted by the tea baggers. Last I checked, the legality of Medicare and Medicaid was not being challenged in the Supreme Court, and, by the way, that's who decides these issues.

truckingal:

I dont doubt you consider yourself a bright, well-educated liberal 'progressive' - and obviously you are seriously under-educated in civics and how the world actually works.

I dont doubt you consider yourself a bright, well-educated conservative - and obviously you are seriously under-educated in civics and how the world actually works.

truckingal:

Somebody needs to tell him to get down off his high-horse and find out that the FedGov does NOT over-ride States Rights.

The Supreme Court today is deciding if the Federal government can overide state laws in regards to your second amendment rights. The Supreme Court has ruled citizens have a right to own and bear arms. Should states have a right to overule the federal government? You say yes.

Has a vote on this bill been taken? Where's the tally?

This proposal is a crock that plays only to paranoid imaginings.  There has been no legislation enacted or under serious consideration that would eliminate private health care insurance or services. 

As long as demand for private health care services exists the market will provide.  If you do not have faith in that proposition you do not have faith in the "market system" or capitalism.

This proposal is a crock that plays only to paranoid imaginings.  There has been no legislation enacted or under serious consideration that would eliminate private health care insurance or services. Buy Generic Viagra Online to treat ED.

truckingal:

Somebody needs to tell him to get down off his high-horse and find out that the FedGov does NOT over-ride States Rights.

Pardon me if I don't tell him, since that would be misinforming him.