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  • 01-01-2001 12:00 AM

    2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    Introduced in the House on June 25, 2009

    Click here to view bill details.
  • 09-02-2009 7:27 PM In reply to

    • kdzik
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

     

    I am a Catholic Pharmacist and I do not dispense Emergency Contraceptives.  I do not want the government to force me to go against my religious beliefs.  What happened to freedom of religion?   Please do not pass this bill.  I worked hard for my license and I do not want to kill babies to keep it.

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  • 09-03-2009 8:08 AM In reply to

    • gypsy
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    It is not the pharmacist decision to make, it is the decision of the person legally purchasing the emergency contraceptives.

  • 09-03-2009 3:35 PM In reply to

    • stosh
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    We're talking here about "conscientious objector" situations.  The pharmacist has the right (justifiably so) to have his/her moral conscience protected.  After all, the pharmacist is asked to violate his/her conscience.  To attempt to force them to act against their conscience is totally unwarranted.  

  • 09-03-2009 9:34 PM In reply to

    • gypsy
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    The pharmacist doesn't have the "right" to not do his or her job. The pharmacist has the "right" to not be a pharmacist.

  • 09-08-2009 5:26 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    I agree 100% with gypsy.  Medications are at the discretion of me and my doctor ONLY - no one else.    A pharmacist's job is to dispense only.  As such, the pharmacist has limited information about why that med was prescribed.    Allowing a pharmacist to pick and choose what medications to dispense, based solely on personal opinion/beliefs is wrong on so many levels. 

    The next pharmacist could refuse to fill an anti-depressant or Viagra medication or anything else for any reason.   Imagine the worst case scenario if someone in the midst of a major depressive episode is denied their medication, judged for needing it in front of other strangers also at that pharmafcy, or made to jump through hoops, driving all over town, to get what is needed.....I could go on with this example, but I think (I hope!) you get the point. 

    Stop judging other people.  Your religion has no place in a pharmacy.

     

     

  • 09-11-2009 8:55 AM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    OUR religion has a place in everything!

  • 09-11-2009 9:11 AM In reply to

    • gypsy
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    Your religion is your religion, not our religion.

  • 09-11-2009 9:24 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    This isn't about religion, it's about liberty.  There are plenty of pharmacists who will fill the prescription--what's next, forcing nurses to euthanize old people in nursing homes?  You have to understand that for some pharmacists, it's exactly the same thing.  This bill may be forcing people to participate in a murder--after all, neither pro-abortionists or their adversaries can prove exactly when life begins.   Sure, convenience is nice, but shouldn't there be a law that protects someone from being forced to commit a crime?

    If this were a video store, should the owner be forced to offer religious movies/porn/whatever if he didn't want to?  Wouldn't that violate HIS rights as a small businessman?  What about the pharmacist?

      And by the way, the argument that some poor woman will have to drive all over town searching in vain for a pharmacist is just silly.  They can't call first to check?

  • 09-11-2009 9:25 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    gypsy:

    It is not the pharmacist decision to make, it is the decision of the person legally purchasing the emergency contraceptives.

    Really?  They why don't we just get vending machines . . .

     

  • 09-11-2009 9:52 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    "Medications are at the discretion of me and my doctor ONLY - no one else.    A pharmacist's job is to dispense only.  As such, the pharmacist has limited information about why that med was prescribed.    Allowing a pharmacist to pick and choose what medications to dispense, based solely on personal opinion/beliefs is wrong on so many levels. "

    Then why on earth do we have pharmacists???

    No patient has the "right" for force a pharmacist to do anything.  A pharmacist can refuse to fill a perscription for lots of reasons--sometimes their refusal saves someone's life, in the case of drug interaction.  Sometimes a pharmacist's attention will stop narcotic trafficing by a doctor.  Sometimes a "patient" may have forged a prescription . . .lots of reasons.   It's true that a pharmacist may not have all the information about why a particular drug has been prescribed, but then the doctor may not know all there is to know about the drug, either. 

    Pharmacists are experts in drugs and physiology--that's their job, and they have to know it inside out.  Doctors take classes in pharmeceuticals, but they don't have the extensive training that pharmacists have.  Doctors are also under pressure to prescribe certain drugs for reasons that have nothing to do with the patient's health. (Pressure from drug company reps, insurance availability, etc.)  Pharmacists matter. They are part of the health care team, and for them to be treated this way is unbelievable.  I think this ban has been introduced because so many know deep down that it's wrong, and this heavy-handed bullying is the result of the fear that most pharmacists WILL listen to their conscience.

  • 09-11-2009 10:08 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    publis:

    gypsy:

    It is not the pharmacist decision to make, it is the decision of the person legally purchasing the emergency contraceptives.

    Really?  They why don't we just get vending machines . . .

     

    I'll bet these same people don't have a problem with Viagra or Cialis.

     

  • 05-12-2010 9:34 AM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

     The pharmacist has every right to refuse this.  Viagra and Cialis do not kill babies.  There is a hugh difference. I cannot belive that needs to be explained to you.  Killing babies is unlawful and unfounded.

    If someone want to kill a baby so  badly they can find a pharmacy that has no morals.  You cannot force anyone to be involved in murder.

  • 05-12-2010 12:31 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    I believe the phramacist waives his right to refuse service upon accepting his license to practice and serve the public.  And I support that policy and philosophy.

     

     

  • 05-16-2010 9:37 PM In reply to

    • gypsy
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    publis:

    gypsy:

    It is not the pharmacist decision to make, it is the decision of the person legally purchasing the emergency contraceptives.

    Really?  They why don't we just get vending machines . . .

    For the quite obvious reason that a doctors prescription is needed.

     

     

  • 05-16-2010 9:40 PM In reply to

    • gypsy
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 5164 (Ban pharmacist “conscientious objector” option )

    saraknack:
    If someone want to kill a baby so  badly they can find a pharmacy that has no morals.

    Morning after contraception drugs do not kill "babies".

     

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