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  • 01-01-2001 12:00 AM

    2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

    Introduced in the House on June 24, 2009

    Click here to view bill details.
  • 07-02-2009 1:03 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

    What? Why? How stupid are you people?

  • 07-02-2009 7:18 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

    I'm happy to hear that something is being done with these graduation requirements.  I can tell you I have two children in high school a soon to be sophomore and junior.  My sophomore has always done extremely well in school.  These new requirements will be no problem for her to accomplish.  My junior on the other hand has always struggled in school, especially in math.  There is no way that the math requirements will be accomplished by her.  She is on the road to getting a "Certificate of Completion" at the end of her senior year because she will not be able to get the 4 required credits in math that include Algebra1, Geometry and Algebra 2.  All this certificate will say is that she attended high school all four years, but she will have nothing to show for it.  How sad is that.  I think the mandated requirements are great for the kids that CAN do it, but what about all the kids that can't. There has to be another answer for these kids to enable them to acquire a high school diploma at the end of the four year.  Not every kid is college material and we need to quit thinking that they all are.  Each child needs to be able to accomplish in high school what they are capable of doing instead of stressing them out and telling them "if you don't get all these required credits, you will not graduate."   I believe what's going to happen is these kids are just going to give up, why should they even try to do well if the end result will be a Certificate of Completion no matter how well they do in all their other classes, but just don't get math.  I applaud our legislatures who are finally realizing that not every kid is the same.  Let's do something good for the kids who aren't great at academics, but will succeed in life anyway.

  • 07-10-2009 8:20 AM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

    Maybe there could be some revision to this bill, but i do agree with Good0614's statement. I think it is a good idea to require a foreign language or at least a linguistics class. These help with all aspects of a person's life regardless if they are "college material" or not.

  • 07-10-2009 9:37 AM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

    good0614:

    ... I believe what's going to happen is these kids are just going to give up, why should they even try to do well if the end result will be a Certificate of Completion no matter how well they do in all their other classes, but just don't get math.  I applaud our legislatures who are finally realizing that not every kid is the same.  Let's do something good for the kids who aren't great at academics, but will succeed in life anyway.

    Academics is what school is all about, really.  The quote above reads to me like something from someone who has given up on kids who struggle with academics.  We really should be encouraging those youngsters to succeed and finding ways to help them do it, rather than abandoning academically rigorous requirements to make high school "easier" or more palatable for them.

     

     

  • 03-18-2010 6:00 AM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

    good0614:

    I'm happy to hear that something is being done with these graduation requirements.  I can tell you I have two children in high school a soon to be sophomore and junior.  My sophomore has always done extremely well in school.  These new requirements will be no problem for her to accomplish.  My junior on the other hand has always struggled in school, especially in math.  There is no way that the math requirements will be accomplished by her.  She is on the road to getting a "Certificate of Completion" at the end of her senior year because she will not be able to get the 4 required credits in math that include Algebra1, Geometry and Algebra 2.  All this certificate will say is that she attended high school all four years, but she will have nothing to show for it.  How sad is that.  I think the mandated requirements are great for the kids that CAN do it, but what about all the kids that can't. There has to be another answer for these kids to enable them to acquire a high school diploma at the end of the four year.  Not every kid is college material and we need to quit thinking that they all are.  Each child needs to be able to accomplish in high school what they are capable of doing instead of stressing them out and telling them "if you don't get all these required credits, you will not graduate."   I believe what's going to happen is these kids are just going to give up, why should they even try to do well if the end result will be a Certificate of Completion no matter how well they do in all their other classes, but just don't get math.  I applaud our legislatures who are finally realizing that not every kid is the same.  Let's do something good for the kids who aren't great at academics, but will succeed in life anyway.



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  • 03-19-2010 8:01 AM In reply to

    • gypsy
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

    good0614:
    I think the mandated requirements are great for the kids that CAN do it, but what about all the kids that can't.

    The kids that can't get a certification of completion. Why would we want to set the standards at the lowest common denominator, (no pun intended)? Our standards should remain relatively high, insuring a high school diploma from a Michigan school is worth something.

  • 08-26-2010 4:28 AM In reply to

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  • 09-23-2010 12:15 PM In reply to

    • vmd
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

     

     Here is the problem I see with the extremely high math standards... Not all kids excel in the same areas. For example Math, since that seems to be a point of interest; some kids will not be able to complete the required math classes at such a high level, but could get the required credits in lower level math. That same child would be able to excel in writing and English, but we are going to hold them back from a brilliant college career in journalism and become a productive adult with a valued career. Instead that child is going to maybe get accepted at a vocational school and have a lackluster career doing something she doesn't really want to.

    This child is my niece. She has worked ten times harder then all three of her older brothers in school, but she won't get a diploma because she just can't get the math.

    Another example: my ex-wife. Probably one of the most intelligent people I have ever known. Graduated from MSU with an education degree and became an excellent middle school teacher, loved by her students and respected by her peers. Voted Teacher of the Year multiple times be the students. She has helped many students stay in school and many others excel. She teaches writing and reading and will be the first to admit she can't do math to save her life. She has never balanced a check book. Not that she can't do something that simple, just that she hated math, always took the minimal math classes to get by and swore she wouldn't do any after school.

    It would have been sad for her not to become a teacher. That is exactly what would have happened if she had been made to take today’s high school math requirements... She would have never been admitted to MSU.

    I see a solution being a high school diploma that is earned like a college diploma; with a major or an academic area of study.

     

  • 12-17-2011 6:11 AM In reply to

    • seanx
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

    This information is really good and  useful. I am also doing High School Diploma from sandford high school....

     

  • 12-19-2011 4:48 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

     Lower the graducation standards and pay bonuses to the teachers!  Yeah, right!

    Here (below article) is yet just another example of what Barack Obama's Stimulus I did/does for America.  "Edu-Jobs" is for paying bonuses to teachers with taxpayers money.  This is the same thing that Obama, Occupiers and every left wing loon has been protesting against when Wall Street and Bankers were getting a piece of the pie, questionably.  Now it seems it is "alright" because it is for Union members!  If liberals on this website respond to this and defend this, they are nuttier then we all assumed.  Please respond and defend this one.  It would be interesting to hear your spin!

    http://biggovernment.com/eagtv/2011/12/19/edujobs-dollars-to-pay-for-teacher-bonuses/

     

  • 12-19-2011 4:50 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

     Great!  Lower the Grad-u-cation standards and then give bonuses to the teachers with stimulus money!  Typical left wing greed!

    Here (below article) is yet just another example of what Barack Obama's Stimulus I did/does for America.  "Edu-Jobs" is for paying bonuses to teachers with taxpayers money.  This is the same thing that Obama, Occupiers and every left wing loon has been protesting against when Wall Street and Bankers were getting a piece of the pie, questionably.  Now it seems it is "alright" because it is for Union members!  If liberals on this website respond to this and defend this, they are nuttier then we all assumed.  Please respond and defend this one.  It would be interesting to hear your spin!

    http://biggovernment.com/eagtv/2011/12/19/edujobs-dollars-to-pay-for-teacher-bonuses/

     

  • 12-20-2011 2:29 AM In reply to

    • Petertyson
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    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

    The bill seems to be very helpful for the students. And academics is an very important part of the school so encouragement will really prove beneficial for the kids struggling with it.

  • 01-11-2012 6:51 AM In reply to

    • gypsy
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    • Joined on 03-19-2009

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

    TaterSalad:
    Lower the Grad-u-cation standards
    Does anybody see the irony in this?
  • 02-09-2012 12:26 PM In reply to

    Re: 2009 House Bill 5142 (Lower high school graduation standards )

     This is what Public Unions bring to public schools:

    Michigan elementary kids are being shown video(s)' supporting Barack Obama, thereby "indoctrinating" them as what a controlled government does in North Korea:


    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/02/08/michigan-elementary-school-kids-shown-obama-indoctrination-video/

     

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