Michigan Votes Forum

 I would guess that this bill is in response to actions such as Wal-Marts. To hell with Wal-Mart. I have avoided them as much as possible since their announcement and don't miss them a bit. At least they don't take your photo and treat you like a criminal if you buy off the internet or at a local sporting goods store.

Wal-Mart, America's largest public seller of firearms, announced Monday it will videotape gun purchases and create an internal log of which guns they sell were used later to commit crimes.

J.P. Suarez, the chief compliance officer for Wal-Mart Stores Inc., appeared with outspoken gun control advocate Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York to announce the changes, and others, at a gathering of Bloomberg's group Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

     Laws like this wouldn't be needed if true Patriots would avoid any store that wishes to video tape or photograph the buyers of firearms and ammunition. Those stores would effectively have no Second Amendment related income, and would have to change their policy on their own in order to see any profit from arms and ammunition sales, or cease to be dealers of those items entirely. Good old supply and demand would hold true in this instance.

And what would a "true patriot" be, in your opinion? Maybe a citizen that believes the constitution is just a prologue to the 2nd amendment? Where were all these "true patriots" when George Bush was taking our rights away to save us from religious fanatics? Where were these "true patriots" when bankers were raping the working class? Where were these "true patriots" when Wal Mart was running the small businesses out of towns with products made in China sold at a price the local's couldn't compete with?

Good old supply and demand eh?

 Gypsy-sober up. I suppose that you are going to tell us that all you buy are union made products from mom and pop stores and are itching to pay their high prices and put up with their short business hours. I don't believe it. Bush taking our rights away? Name those that were taken away and how you were affected. Bankers raping the working class> You talking about the laws the Dems passed that forsced bankers to make loans to people with poor credit or are you talking about Fannie Mae whose oversight was supposed to be by Barney Frank and had his lovers in high positions(no pun intended)?

A comparable bill was introduced in Michigan’s legislature last year, and died without advancing when the 2007-08 session adjourned in December.

This legislation seeks to interfere with a gun dealer’s elective – chosen --procedures for documenting firearms sales transactions.  It should be rejected by the legislature.

Gun or ammunition purchasers who do not wish to have their transactions documented in the ways this bill proposes to prohibit have the option to take their business to shops that don’t use them.  No law is required to protect their sensibilities.  That is the American patriot’s way of doing things.

 I disagree. It has little to do with a gun dealers elective but is an scheme by anti-gun associations to intimidate buyers of firearms and ammunition. The fact that he was in bed with Mayor Bloomberg and the like is evidence for this observation. Wal-Mart could have photographed buyers anytime, but it was only after he met with the anti-Second Amendment Mayors coalition they did so. Tell me Free Speaker, in what other departments in Wal-Mart is being photographed a requirement to make a purchase? Our freedoms are being eroded one at a time and it wouldn't be long before this type of intimidation and record gathering would become a local, state or federal requirement. An example-the government's desire to have access to your medical records. Places like Wal-Mart have to kiss the politicians behinds to get their stores in their cities. Was there coercion involved or was it just dealing with politicians?

With the Obama and a Democrat Majority administration, I expect even more Second Amendment  dilution. Protesting and asking your legislators to prevent such things. That is the American Patriots way of doing things, not turning the other cheek so they can slap it too,

Passive protest is OK. Activism is far more effective.

albaby2:

Passive protest is OK. Activism is far more effective.

Having the legislature making a law that suits your convenience is a passive approach, relatively speaking.  It's getting somebody else to do your work.

Taking your business to a vendor whose transaction policies better appeals to your sense of convenience and comfort is activism.

This bill only proposes to interfere with legal sellers' options for documenting certain sales transactions as they see fit.  There is no direct harm done to anyone in the method of documenting transactions this bill proposes to outlaw.  It should be opposed on that basis.