Michigan Votes Forum

I have an issues and I have the Constitution to back it up, not just personal Opinion, an opinion of a individual or small groups or lobbiest is nothing more then an opinion, and dose not make anyhing a law, to be Constitutional it has to be VOTED ON BY ALL PEOPLE, not even the Govenor has the right to pass a law that efects the people as in all People, is not Constitutional at all. Obama tactic'sare not Constitutional, and should be put up for the PEOPLE to Decide, it is hard to be Constitutional Correct when out elect work way to hard with special interest groups, and lobbiest to over rule all the people. For instance an insurance company lobbies a bill that has to do with something that has been going on for centuries because they have to pay out once in a while if left alone, is not Constitutionally Correct, if we let them continue, we will pay and they will just get richer and richer and richer, and never have to pay anything out, as they have proven they will do, when huricains hit, they just get away with not paying, just by saying their not paying or they can not aford to pay, even when they have been paid for thier service and protection. Now we have this smoking ban, a few people don't like the smell or they hide behide second hand smoke is worse then first hand smoke, when the fact is, a smoker gets both and is living as long as non smokers or longer, and if you hvn't noticed must of these non smokers are the ones running to the doctor with some sort of being sick more so then a smoker, if you knew your facts, I was in Ann Arber Cancer Center, with My Girl friend and she never smoked she eats everything healthy, I never once smoked around her and I mean never, and she got cancer, She had Cancer, and while I was there I asked around and found that about 3/4 of those being treated for cancer either did not smoke or they had a totally unrelated Cancer such as liver or skin cancer, or just a cancer tumor some where in thier body, but some people think that Smokers are the fault of it all. Well I'm going to say this, All People better start thinking about the Bigger picture, the Fact that our water is filled with Clorine and Floride both which are cancer causing agents, and Floride was introduced into the water not for your good, but to help clean and keep clean of old who know what deposites in the water lines, your teeth was just a selling piont to get you to let them use it.  if you need floride to whiten your teeth then use tooth paste that has it, and rinse very good, do not swalow. and then we have all those preservitives and unnatural food coloring and flavers, most are made by some big Chemical Company in a lab. , but they sell that idea to you by saying it has No Calories or Fat, It amazes me how may people say to much about something they no nothing about and our elect seem to listen to them, but that understandable, most of these special interest or Un American Special Interest groups are friends or Family or just a big Donation Source at election time. Beleive me there are a lot of people who see what is going on and have been silent, and are now speaking out with Constitutional issues against the Special Interest and the numbers are growing fast, they call us all kinds of name, in their effort to get they Unconstitutional Way, but in Reallity we Are What Our Forefathers call Us (   WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ) because we are Educated with the Constitution and Know Our Declaration of Independence very well, un like Special Interest. and for our elect, You better run your officies by your oath and Constitution, or go find a 3rd rate country that fit your interest, but leave ours alone.

Here some Good Reading even if the Special Interest mgiht not like it, But I am Sure The American People Will, oh Our ELect Can Read It Too, I hope you can enjoy and Learn what our Forefathers Had in Mind and who the Constitution was written for, and this is just a few thought's from them, to The American People to Insure us that this Country Is Our's, not The Federal GOvernment nor the States but the American People's, yes we are to be able to trust our elect with it, but we are to wacth and list4en and make sure the Elect do not abuse it, in a destructive way against the American People.

      It Was Once Said ( We give you a free Country, We just hope you can hang on to it ) that was a statement to the PEOPLE, and telling the Government the People are what this freedom is all about, not to be construed in any way to bring bad things onto the people, bad thing like Over spending and big  Very Big Dept, or the weakening the American way, or to become intangled with other country's but to alow our country to do business, with other country's in a Good way, whith out destroying our Industral Base and Strengths, the more Our big money run to other country's and bring those good back here and expect us to buy them or perposly causeing our own products buy engineering which is meant to fail, so the foreign products look better, which can and has only happen after our big three went to bed with foreign company's. Economic and the word Commerce works if the Rules are followed, like this: American People working and being apid good wages will Spend that hard earned money on Products hence we have money moving in a good direction and all are happy, not just Big Money living the life and the workers living like pasaints, if thats what they have in mind, then we will be as the rest off the world, RIGHT ( United Nation / WTO / Global Bankers ) you can't bring the world up to our standards, so you are bring America DOWN to The 3rd World Standards, ) as you have done all over Europe and Russia, THE UN / League of Nations was thrown out of this cOUNTRY BY THE pEOPLE, BECAUSE IT WAS uNCONSTITUTIONAQL TO HAVE A GOVERNMENT WITH IN OUR GOVERNMENT ) MEANING WE ARE NOT TO ALLOW ANY OUTSIDE INFLUANCE, TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW WE RUN OUR COUNTRY, Its WE THE PEOPLE AND ONLY WE THE PEOPLE, Nothing But The People So Help us.

For your information if you are all worried about your health, then go places you and other so called health persons go. I am more concerned with the Constitutionallity of all this special interest actions are causing, beleive me, every one has rights, but not to be contrues to the point your special interst take from others, if you know The Constitution, you would know that most if not all Special Interest Groups are this country's biggest threat to The American Consitution, if you are having a hard time with the meaning and ideals of our forefathers, you might need to read this,    http://americanrevival.org/quotes/forefathers.html and have a copy of the Constitution next to you, beleive me it helps clear up some confusion with some people, and Ill attempt to get a another copy of the Reference letters our forefathers gave us along with The Constitution which give you the Real Meaning To Our United States Constitution and you will see the Difference between the UN and Communist Manifesto, that any set of papers you need to read.

Bgensel53:

I have an issues and I have the Constitution to back it up, not just personal Opinion, an opinion of a individual or small groups or lobbiest is nothing more then an opinion, and dose not make anyhing a law, to be Constitutional it has to be VOTED ON BY ALL PEOPLE, ..

That is one of the most bizzarrely ignorant things I've seen yet about Constitutional principles.

Article IV, Section 4 of the United States Constitution guarantess that each of the states shall have a republican form of government, i.e., a form of government in which representatives are elected by the people.  It does not mandate direct democracy.

Get over complaints and whining about ths law, folks.  They just don't hold up factually, legally, or even politically.

 

 

 

 So, you voted for Granholm...

...how's that working out?

 

BLOWN AWAY YET?!!

 This law is unconstitutional.  The government should not be involved in this.  If the owner of a private business wants to allow smoking in their establishment the government should not interfere.  It is difficult to believe that there is not one public place in the State of Michigan that a law-abiding person can legally have a smoke.  Who are you people in Lansing to decide this?  What gives you the right to dictate?  There are plenty of non-smoking establishments that people can choose to patronize.  This is a total infrigment on the freedoms of the people of the State of Michigan. This law should be repealed.  I may just have to take up smoking in protest of this freedom-supressing law that you had no right to pass.

saraknack:

 This law is unconstitutional. 

Oh, c'mon.  That is a hollow argument.  Quit making that absurd claim without backing it up with actual citations and case law.

Fact is, the law comports with and is virtually mandated by both the US and Michigan Constitutions.  See US Constitution Preamble, and the Michigan Constitution Article IV, Sec 51 for reference.  Also review case law in respect to police powers of the state.

saraknack:

What gives you the right to dictate? 

What gives you the right to dictate that the rest of us have to inhale air fouled by your tobacco smoke?

saraknack:

I may just have to take up smoking in protest of this freedom-supressing law that you had no right to pass.

Hey, now there's just the ticket.  You don't like this law and then threaten to take up self-destructive behavior to make me regret that I supported such sensible legislation.  Sort of like threatening to, "hold my breath until I turn blue and suffer brain damage and then you'll be sorry."  Won't work.

Here's a better suggestion.  Take a deep breath of clean air, relax, enjoy life and your new freedom from smoke-filled bars and restaurants, and applaud those legislators who actually honored their oaths of office by voting to enact this law.

 

 This is such a personal issue this law should have been taken to the people to vote on in an election. This law should never have been decided by a handful of "representatives" who did not ask the people what they really wanted.  

 Whether it is in my best interest, for my health, for the my own safety, I don't believe the government should have the right to make that decision for me. I am a rational adult and believe I should be able to make my own decisions about how I live, how I run my business as well as how I conduct my own health and well being.

 No. The ultimate freedom is having the right to choose to be health.

This law went into effect May 1, and in my part of the state the implementation met with no evident resistance.  The whiners have continued to dominate in comments on news stories about it, though, typically repeating the same lame bogus arguments against the law that have appeared here.  Most people, though, evidently embrace the new law.  That includes bar and restaurant owners. 

May 1 can be seen as a day Michigan began to see things clearly again.

 Remember come November!! Vote out the tyrannical fascists who believe they have the right to take away anything they don't like. I am so tired of the, I don't like it, so you can't have it attitude. So, Remember come November all those who chose to infringe on our freedoms and steal away our choices. These same fascist pigs are going after your soda and candy with taxes and regulations next. They have already taxed tobacco so hard very few people can afford to smoke and people have been forced to chose between feeding there kids, and feeding there smoking habit. Now there working on junk food. When one more law, equals one less choice, we all lose. So, again I tell you, Remember come November!!!!!!

Legislative measures of this sort (the workplace smoking ban) are mandated by the Michigan Constitution. 

So, actually the thing to "remember in November" is whether or your State Senator or Representative violated his/her oath of office (to uphold the Michigan Constitution) by voting against this bill.  Violation of oath should mean that person does not get your vote, unless, of course, you believe the Michigan Constitution is just a meaningless collection of words.  If the oath violator has been term-limited out of running for reelection, or has otherwise chosen to not run, then look to the oath violators' party affiliations for clues as to who should not be elected.

The smoking must be stopped because I am against this type of practice. The kids are affected by this type of comportment. Is the best idea to put in practice. servicii optimizare site

I feel so sad for you that you are FORCED to go certain places to eat, visit or work. Too bad you do not live in the USA where we are free. Wait - I must be in a time warp - the current USA tells us what health insurance to buy, how fast to drive, to wear a helmet, no smoking on private property, no packed lunches for kid, and if you have kids you do not have the ability to take care of we will do it for you. Does not sound much like the USA of the founders.

 OMG! LOL Your post made me look up Ethel Merman's God Bless America recording. You have the right to smoke and I have the right not to have your smoke in my face same as you have the right to keep me from pizzing on your shoes. Swallow your smoke-if it doesn't come out the tube in your throat.

 problem is YOU insist on walking on MY PRIVATE PROPERTY Where i piss, then blame ME for pissing!! silly girl, Nobody FORCES you into smoking establishments (when we had them) just like nobody forces you into MY bathroom.

I am a smoker but I am glad about this law, a lot of people will think twice before starting to smoke because smoking will be banned in restaurants, on the streets and so on. Smoking kills millions of people, by making psychic reading I saw that this phenomenon can be stopped. If you are a smoker it`s not fun to go into a restaurant where you are not allowed to smoke so in some time you will realize that smoking is bad for you health and you cannot have fun in any place because it is forbidden to smoke.

I think it's abusive to not let people smoke in restaurants... just separate the two groups and everything should be ok in the end. I can't imagine a business that spends tons of money on restaurant supplies will just abandon the biggest part of their clients because of a ruling. There has to be a way to make everyone happy.