Michigan Votes Forum

 with all the discussion about banning feeding deer for any reason, one has to wonder what does it take to make a person into an anti-hunter?

simple "bambi-ism" doesn't quite seem to completely cover it.  i'd be interested to hear from our outstanding team of anti-hunters to give us some clues as to what conspired to make them into the freedom hating zealots that they are.

It only took a couple times of hearing nugent on the radio, and not being able to find the off button, to turn me into a rabid anti-hunter.

 you mean you disagree with the NOOOOOGE???

a good ol' michigan boy? a 'favorite son'? a HOMEY???

how is this possible? how could this be???

have you ever sat down to a luscious dinner of venison, or wild turkey, or any wild meat, taken by your own skill and luck, cooked on your own stove by your own two little piddies?

if not, you have missed a great experience. especially if shared with someone special to you. at those times, the  "kill" really doesn't matter, it's a pleasant and satisfying extra that adds to the experience shared in the hunt.

my father and i hunted deer and turkey. my mother and i hunted squirrels and rabbits. many times we came back empty handed, but many times we didn't. each time, not matter what, we were closer than before we went out.

we always shared our meat with family, friends, and those less fortunate. we never shot what we, or somebody, didn't eat.

i've seen my share of slob hunters, but have only seen them once, as they were never invited back to hunt again.

obviously you missed this experience. so much the pity.

My satire was apparently wasted on you crazy.

But what a quaint little hunting story you tell.

Been a hunter all my life, doesn't mean I have to like that idiot Nugent. He lives in Texas now, good place for em. That area seems to attract nuts.

 so tell me... how many deer with c.w.d. have you bagged?

how many deer with c.w.d. do you believe are in our herd?

there was only one case verified, and that was in a captive deer, never released to the wild, but we are expected to stop baiting forever because of it?

what do you suppose the 'new threat' is going to be? we've already been hit with 'THE EQUIVALENT OF MAD COW DISEASE' being blared across radio and newspaper ads. problem is, we've already got deer with tuberculosis, which has infected deer for years, and is spread by simple close contact. you don't see that problem spreading, do you?

how many deer with tb have you bagged?

we have a good idea how to stop the spread of tuberculosis among deer, but it involves them not breathing.

What's your point? Or do you have one? What is your solution? Ignore the problem? Talk it over with the guys in the bar and decide what to do?

Where's your research? Where's your facts? Are you afraid you might find facts that don't agree with your preconceived notion?

Coffee shops and bars are filled with guys like you. An answer for everything, and knowledge about nothing.

A wise man once told me, "better to be quiet and thought stupid, than to speak up and prove it."

 well... you sure didn't listen to that wise man.

my point is to ask what made you become an anti-hunter, which if you had read the thread, you would know, but you don't.

this IS my research. i'm asking questions, and you are supposed to be providing honest answers, not off topic stupidity, but as usual, the stupidity wins out.

so tell us what made YOU an anti-hunter.

by the way, this nation was built by guys in bars and coffee shops. the 'drones' that just keep their noses to the grindstone usually don't discuss government, or philosophy, or economics, or life in general, they just keep their noses to the grindstone, accomplishing nothing important.

a wise man once told me, ASK AND YOU SHALL RECIEVE. and THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.

crazycajun:

this IS my research. i'm asking questions, and you are supposed to be providing honest answers

That says it all.

There is a name for something that derives it's sustainence from other's efforts. In nature it's called a parasite.

If you view me as your teacher, asking questions of me and expecting answers, I'm flattered. But I must give you a failing grade so far. You just don't seem to be able to grasp the subject matter, and you continually refuse to do your homework. Any more outburst like this and your going to detention, young man.

 no, i'm the teacher, and i'm asking you questions to see if you have absorbed the material i've covered so far.

so far, you are performing like a typical michigander public school student... failing miserably.

 by the way...

sportsmen share their opinions and experiences so they can learn from the mistakes and successes of others.

or do you not participate in that particular brand of sportsmanship?

obviously not.

i asked if you had personally come across a deer with c.w.d. because if you had, the d.n.r. and the news media have lied. it's called FACT CHECKING.

i also asked if you had personally come across a deer with tuberculosis, a much more common problem among cervids in michigan.

your refusal to answer these simple questions shows that you either don't know the signs of either disease, or you don't hunt.

a simple yes or no answer would have sufficed, instead i get a personal attack. so typical.

thanks for providing endless hours of entertainment.

 an anti-hunter was made, according to the 'j-man' by listening to THE NOOOOOGE.

it seems that his dislike for the person has once again caused his dislike for the institution. it makes about as much sense as disliking bowling because fred flintstone bowls.

at least he was kind enough to answer, albeit with snyde witticism.

i'm learning a lot about the left in michigan. and the more i learn, the more i miss the people of louisiana.

fret not. i'll be going home soon enough, but on MY terms, not yours.

now, if any OTHER anti-hunters would like to fill us in on what makes the average anti-hunter tick, we would appreciate hearing from you. you never know. you may learn something from us while you are trying to teach us why you dislike hunting.

but please... question-phobics need not apply.

My, my.  You certainly do enjoy playing talking with yourself, don't you cajun?

No need to answer the question.  Your behavior says it all.

Have a nice day in your silly little LaLa Land, crazy. 

 you just can't resist... can you?

is it my cologne?

i didn't know you liked guys...

 now, i think that anti-hunters are not just your average 'tree-hugger" or "bambist", but a different breed.

they see hunting as a barbaric sport, practiced only by redneck yahoos crashing around in the woods killing everything that moves.

they see hunters as troglodites obsessed with blood, and only a few steps away from mass murderers.

they see the deer and other animals as being on par with humans.

they believe that a hunter will snap in an instant, climbing some high tower and picking off poor defenseless individuals at will, unstoppable by anything but anti-hunting regultations.

some people even see other citizens in this light, which makes upholding the second amendment particularly difficult.

this 'NO ONE BUT ME CAN BE TRUSTED' mentality is prevalent all through the threads on this site. but most common when talking about hunting and outdoors issues.

i'd like to find out what is the root of this problem? what is the cause of this phenomenon?

this paranoia has been amply displayed by two posters, jmangan and sanemichigander.

there must be a cause of it. or is it just them?

Seems someone's feeling's have been hurt. Tsk... tsk.

 not at all...

i'm just voicing my opinion. vox populi.

The little beaver is up early this morning, patching all the holes in his dam.

 no, just yankin' your chain.

works pretty well, i'd say.

now, why are you an anti-hunter?

 i'd have to say that an anti-hunter is made from the same cloth as a gun control fanatic. using any means necessary to misinform and disarm the public. making them feel INFERIOR for choosing to arm themselves.

their goals are consistent, "one less gun on the streets in the hands of a law abiding citizen is a good thing".

they'd rather have anarchy in the form of high crime and multitudes of murders than freedom and liberty. the proof is in the many puddings they have created where the gun restrictions are tightest.

while there are SEVERAL instances of armed citizens reducing crime, there are NO successful instances where GUN CONTROL has worked to REDUCE CRIMES, ESPECIALLY MURDERS.

it's not working in new york, where murders are so common, and so heinous that the death penalty was RECENTLY RE-INSTATED under liberal democrat leadership.

it's not working in detroit.

it's not working in flint.  or LA. or DC, or ATLANTA,

it, like the public school system, has constantly failed to perform as advertised, yet the liberals continue to pump enormous amounts of effort and money into them.

i suggest that we stop tampering with the rights and freedoms of the people, and get government out of the gun control (and life control) business. that way, anti-hunters will be free not to hunt, but they will NOT BE FREE TO STOP OTHERS FROM HUNTING.

The question is misleading. Is an anti-hunter someone who doesn't like hunting, or someone who wants to stop others from hunting?

Crazy wants to lump them all as gun control advocates. That's his style. He would also lump them as pro-choice, liberal, labor unions, democrats, and anything else he is against, which is anything that has to do with his view of government. That of course is ridiculous, but so are most of his arguments. They all begin with a subject, and end with his hatred for government.

I have not read any comment in this thread from an actual anti-hunter, that is someone who whats to stop all hunting. Until such a person enters this discussion, all it will be is a place for crazy to rant and spew his anti-government rhetoric.

 well, jman...

as i started this thread...

and i asked the question...

and none of your anti-hunter friends decided to answer, i did it for them.

my hatred is NOT for government, but for the tyrants that inhabit that government. government is benign and benevolent until tyrants make it otherwise.

michigan government has been made otherwise. the tyrants must be voted out.

jmangan:

The question is misleading. Is an anti-hunter someone who doesn't like hunting, or someone who wants to stop others from hunting?

Crazy wants to lump them all as gun control advocates. That's his style. He would also lump them as pro-choice, liberal, labor unions, democrats, and anything else he is against, which is anything that has to do with his view of government. That of course is ridiculous, but so are most of his arguments. They all begin with a subject, and end with his hatred for government.

I have not read any comment in this thread from an actual anti-hunter, that is someone who whats to stop all hunting. Until such a person enters this discussion, all it will be is a place for crazy to rant and spew his anti-government rhetoric.

 

OH COME ON, JMAN...

this is where you are supposed to cite city after city where gun control is working as advertised. where crime is almost nil, and the citizens don't feel the need to be armed. this is where you throw facts in my face and prove me wrong.

this is not the time to get all philosophical about my beliefs. it's time to get all factual about YOUR beliefs.

where are your shining examples that gun control works?

where are your shining examples that anti-hunting actually serves to better the environment?

where are your success stories?

where are your successes?

obviously, you can't cite any because there aren't any. but this doesn't stop you from forging ahead blindly.

jmangan:

The question is misleading.

<only to those who don't understand it.>

 Is an anti-hunter someone who doesn't like hunting, or someone who wants to stop others from hunting?

<both. i'd like to know WHY they don't like hunting, and WHY they want to stop others from hunting> 

Crazy wants to lump them all as gun control advocates.

<that's because THEY ARE.>

 That's his style. He would also lump them as pro-choice, liberal, labor unions, democrats, and anything else he is against, which is anything that has to do with his view of government. That of course is ridiculous, but so are most of his arguments. They all begin with a subject, and end with his hatred for government.

I have not read any comment in this thread from an actual anti-hunter, that is someone who whats to stop all hunting. Until such a person enters this discussion, all it will be is a place for crazy to rant and spew his anti-government rhetoric.

 <and for you to rant and spew your anti-cajun rhetoric. which is worse?>

you replied to the question, so i take it YOU are an anti-hunter. or did you simply reply out of the primal need to get the last word in? as no anti-hunters have replied, i take it that they are all as question phobic as you are. nothing more.

perhaps it is that they are cowards, afraid of exposing themselves for what they are.

perhaps it is that they don't really know why they oppose hunting, but have always been told to oppose hunting.

each of these represents a separate, but equally curable problem. one being ignorance, the other being institutional bias.

if you turned rabidly anti-hunter because of ted nugent, then you are guilty of institutional bias, nothing more. nothing less.

crazycajun:

you replied to the question, so i take it YOU are an anti-hunter. or did you simply reply out of the primal need to get the last word in? as no anti-hunters have replied, i take it that they are all as question phobic as you are. nothing more.

Now there is the epitome of crazycajun logic.

If you reply to his question you are an anti-hunter and if you don't reply to his question you are an anti-hunter.

It turns out LaLa Land is on the far side of the looking glass and crazycajun is Humpty Dumpty.

Keep posting, crazy.  You reveal more of your twisted self with each entry.

 I don't like hunting, and by that I mean I don't care to hunt, but those are my feelings, i am not going to tell someone else they can't hunt if that is what they enjoy. I have plenty of friends that hunt, and I enjoy the spoils of their efforts.

 rob...

there is a difference between those like you that don't care to hunt, and those that OPPOSE HUNTING.

opposing hunting means that you CARE TO MAKE SURE THAT OTHERS DO NOT HUNT. this is wrong. what you are doing is simply exercising your right not to hunt. your decision is effecting you and you alone. this is as it should be.

i share the fruits of my hunts with many people who, for whatever reason, do not hunt.

the original question was "WHAT MAKES AN ANTI-HUNTER".

you certainly don't fit into the ANTI-HUNTER category, but i thank you for your kind answer.

 no, insane.

i'm just saying that YOU ARE AN ANTI-HUNTER.

deal with it.

Crazy, you are pandering again. It is starting to look like you are desperate.

You said in response to my statement:

Is an anti-hunter someone who doesn't like hunting, or someone who wants to stop others from hunting?

<both. i'd like to know WHY they don't like hunting, and WHY they want to stop others from hunting> 

I wouldn't say Rob is anti-hunting. I'd say he doesn't like hunting. You said he was an anti-hunter.

See, that's the deal about this typing out words. They stay there, on the page or the screen, and can't be erased. Not like some BS in the bar, where you can say "that's not what I said".

Makes  BSing really hard.

 so, jman...

i think you fight too hard for my attention. a sure sign of someone who is desperately lonely.

you find BSing really easy. you also look too hard and find too little.

in case you missed it, an anti-hunter DOESN'T LIKE HUNTING AND OPPOSES HUNTING. you need BOTH to be an anti hunter.

you are an anti-hunter, as you don't like hunting AND oppose others doing it.

you are also fairly ego-maniacal, conceited, and lacking pertinent facts.

i understand you won't just 'go away', as you have requested of me, but you will stay here forever as you have no place else to go and nothing better to do. i guess being chronically unemployed does that for you.

i would have thought that you would take the title of ANTI-HUNTER as a compliment, wearing it boldly and proudly.

i understand why you talk so badly about discussing things in bars, as no one will talk to you in your local bar.

but i do look forward to your posts. they keep the laughter going for hours.

at least THAT poster was kind enough to ANSWER THE QUESTION, as opposed to YOU who haven't yet learned that skill. 

 I fish, so in a sense I hunt, there is just more beer involved. I don't drive the boat. I think since I fish for me to oppose hunting would be hypocritical, since i am still taking a life.

 it would indeed be hypocritical, but seeing as since you DON'T oppose hunting, you are not hypocritical.

jman, on the other hand, would like us to believe that he hunts, but he has nothing positive to say about hunting, nor does he support hunting, and when queried, he has no answers about hunting.

all these things show that he does not hunt, nor does he advocate other people hunting. in fact, he has called people who choose to arm themselves for whatever reason FOOLS.

he has also stated that he doesn't trust his fellow citizens.

not very sportsmanlike of him, i must say.

thanks again, rob. and quaff one for me.

Anyone who eats takes life, whether plant or animal. There may be levels of morality in the taking of life, but the end result is the same. The law of nature.

This question was posed by crazy merely to provide a forum for his preconceived ideas of "anti-hunters". He wants to portray anyone disagreeing with his extreme libertarian, anarchistic views as also an anti-hunter. As I stated in a previous post, no one yet has said they want to prevent hunters from hunting. This is again one of crazy's strawmen, put there by himself, so he has a clear target to shoot at.

I'm sure there are people who want to stop hunting, and fishing. But they are an extremely small minority of people, much like anarchistic libertarians. Most people see hunting and fishing for what it is, a sport that harkens back to man's hunter-gatherer days. And most people see why, in this modern day and age, it must be regulated by the government so all those that wish to partake can do so safely, and in a matter that allows it to continue into the future.

We are the government, you and I, contrary to what people like crazy think.

Gee crazy, I feel like I've left something out by not returning the name calling and insults you hurl at me, but that's just not my style.

 what style? you HAVE no style.

or cooth, or manners. just a warped and twisted view of the world, and a strange like/dislike thing for me.

if you believe that we are the government, then just TRY and get someone else elected. those incumbents have entrenched themselves inside their political machines so firmly that only term limits will pry them out.

you still haven't told us what made YOU an anti-hunter.

i don't think you even know yourself.

pity.

crazycajun:

if you believe that we are the government, then just TRY and get someone else elected. those incumbents have entrenched themselves inside their political machines so firmly that only term limits will pry them out.

I do believe that, I did try, and I was successful.

 yep, you were successful in electing the democrat who will not be associated with other democrats.

the most right thinking left winger since clinton lost his popularity.

a liberal that speaks of tax cuts, budget cuts, and spending cuts.

a liberal that, although he PROMISED to get us out of the war in the middle east, has assigned more troops to the war zones.

i COULD go on... but everyone else gets my point.

crazycajun:

i COULD go on... but everyone else gets my point.

Do you ever actually have a point, other than compulsively having to get in the last word on all topics?   

 of course i do.. you are just too pathetically dim witted to see it.

Actually crazy, I was refering to a state representative I helped get elected. Although I did vote for Obama, I was not as active in his campaign as I was on a local level. They are both doing a great job, I may add.

 so, running up the biggest debt in world history in one fell swoop is doing a great job???

wow... how much kool-aid have you had lately?

so, please tell me how banning hunting, or smoking, or anything else is securing the blessings of liberty?

Absolutely not. Bush did a terrible job in leaving the biggest national debt in world history. Obama sure has a big job to do getting us out of this mess.

Why do you hate America so?