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Latest post 10-27-2009 6:51 AM by Cj Williams. 67 replies.
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crazycajun
 
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
we ask that very same question about you, jman... every day.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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revolution
  - Joined on 02-16-2009
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
I did not come here to slam anyone else on their ideas or believes; I only ask those to seek the truth on why our nation is in the crisis it is in?, why we have lost our jobs?, our homes?, and no matter which leveler we pull at the voting booth; right or left; we end up with an agenda that is not of "We the people" but only a bucket full of lies and deceit from both sides of the fence. I will only leave one word that will explain the problems of our great nation and that is "The Federal Reserve." The reality is "We the People" are not being told the truth. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you.
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crazycajun
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
you're right. we aren't being told the truth.
the difference is, we on the right can tell that we are being lied to, those on the left cannot.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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jmangan
 - Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
Those on the right have had control of all three branches of our federal government for the lion's share of this decade. If lies were told, which they were of course, they must be held accountable.
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Cj Williams
 - Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
Oklahoma House passes sovereignty bill
By Jerome R. Corsi
February 24, 2009
NEW YORK – Oklahoma's House of Representatives is the first legislative body to pass a state sovereignty resolution this year under the terms of the Tenth Amendment.
The Oklahoma House of Representatives passed House Joint Resolution 1003 Feb. 18 by a wide margin, 83 to 13, resolving, "That the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States."
The language of HJR 1003 further serves notice to the federal government "to cease and desist, effectively immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers."
The sponsor of the resolution, state Rep. Charles Key, told WND the measure was a 'big step toward addressing the biggest problem we have in this country – the federal government violating the supreme law of the land."
"The Constitution either means what it says, or it doesn't mean anything at all," Key said. "The federal government must honor and obey the Constitution, just like the states and this citizens of this country are obligated to do, or our system of government begins to fall apart."
The Ninth Amendment reads, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." The Tenth Amendment specifically provides, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." >>>MORE
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=89842
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crazycajun
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
huzzah!
lets hope michigan can be that brave.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
you don't REALLY want accountability for telling lies, do you?
or do you only want REPUBLICANS to be held accountable for their lies?
let's start by holding BILL AND HILLARY accountable for their lies. sounds like a good place to start. THEN we'll work on bush's lies.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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jmangan
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
Clinton was held accountable for his lies, which, by the way, didn't end in anyones death. Oh, don't give me that Vince Foster story. That's been investigated ad nauseum.
On the other hand, Bush has yet to be investigated or held accountable for his lies, which caused death and injury for thousands.
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crazycajun
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
there are thirty seven deaths being investigated surrounding clinton. all still open, including vince foster's.
for 'nothing', there seems to be a lot of investigations going on...
hmmm...
perhaps there IS fire where the smoke is.
and no, he has NOT been held accountable for his lies, he's just been embarassed.
it's amazing that as soon as you mention deaths and clinton, even YOU come up with vince foster.
i guess even YOU have to believe it just a little.
next we'll talk about that sweet young girl in kennedy's car.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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Cj Williams
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
Speaking of Vince Foster... Remember Leo Wanta? He's just resurfaced. It could be that the doo-doo may soon hit the D. C. fan...
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jmangan
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
I thought when Sane said you lived in LaLa land, that was just short for Louisiana. I guess he really meant lala land, as in not reality. You don't spend all your time typing nonsense on this forum, do you? You must watch a lot of Faux news and follow those conspirancy theorist like Christopher Story and his goofy claims about Leo Wanta.
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Cj Williams
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
Aw... you're just jealous because you don't get copied on e-mail from Wanta yourself.
I don't much care what 'Sane" thinks about anything. Obviously, he has nothing better to do all day than to entertain himself by posting comments at Michigan Votes.
Actually, sir, I'm from Michigan and I don't watch much tell-a-vision at all.
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jmangan
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
Good for you. TV will rot your mind.
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hillbillyflatlander
- Joined on 02-09-2009
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
I guess since Granholm gobbled up the stimulus dollars, this bill means squat anyway. No reason to make more enemies. I think we all know by now it has taken both Dems and Reps to tear apart the greatest ( in my mind ) document ever written. They're all killing our soldiers, and civiians. And they don't care either. Type it in, and you will find them all satisfying their greed. And Obama just sent 17,000 more in Afg., so it is his War now. We, the sleeping people, have created a single entity, (the federal government) Something our founders warned us strongly of, who is now buying up the world. We all know too, that they're not in it by themselves. This is a global effort by the elite. They just about have what they want, no denying that...
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revolution
- Joined on 02-16-2009
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
DO NOT QUIT, this is only the beginning, the masses are growing in large numbers... just take a look..."We surround Them."-Glen Beck at 5pm on Fox with four million viewers!  March 13 will be an eye opener make sure you tell everyone to watch!
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hillbillyflatlander
- Joined on 02-09-2009
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
Me, Quit? Not hardly. Not easy to do when you've lived your whole life believeing in individua responsibility. Granholm, and the rest? Now there is your quiters...
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uber-liberal
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
i'd be interested to find out what is on your 'required reading' list.
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revolution
- Joined on 02-16-2009
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
Reading List:
The Revolution a Manifesto by Ron Paul
Meltdown by Tom Woods
CrashProof by Peter Schiff
The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin: Warning the contents of this book are quite Horrifying!!
Suggested Website ; www.campaignforliberty.com; www.bostonteaparty08 and Glen Beck @ 5:00 on fox channel 61; March 13 is a must see.
Your Constitution, the Bill of rights and The Declaration of Indepence...documents this country was founded on. Our fore fathers warned us that this country would be destroyed from the inside; and the federal reserve is doing just that along with the two party ticket!
Gentlemen...Have a blessed night
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uber-liberal
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
why am i not surprised...
amen, rev.
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jmangan
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
 uber-liberal:
i'd be interested to find out what is on your 'required reading' list.
Jefferson, Madison, Paine, Adams, Eric Hoffer, Chalmers Johnson, Walt Whitman, Jack London, Hemmingway. Just a few.
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uber-liberal
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
quite a diverse list. obviously not equally weighted.
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uber-liberal
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
i like this quote.
An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head.
Eric Hoffer
and i'm also partial to this one...
Charlatanism of some degree is indispensable to effective leadership.
Eric Hoffer
and this one...
Facts are counterrevolutionary.
Eric Hoffer
each explains so much about where you are coming from.
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uber-liberal
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
let's see...chalmers johnson. ex-c.i.a., author of several anti-bush books.
gotcha...
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uber-liberal
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
jack london. the boy socialist of oakland...
check...
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SolierForLiberty
 - Joined on 06-24-2009
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
I am asking the committee to see this resolution through. Our federal government is stripping our freedoms and increasing our taxes on a daily basis. I am asking the representatives in the house, and members of the senate to represent US instead of their own self interests. Please!
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Cj Williams
- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Re: 2009 House Concurrent Resolution 4
The following is a letter from Tennessee to the other 49 State Legislatures and I sent a copy of it to Rep. Opsommer. It was posted online on October 20, 2009 at this link:
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/10/20/they-cant-push-us-around-forever/#
They Can’t Push Us Around Forever - by State Rep. Susan Lynn (TN-57th)
We send greetings from the Tennessee General Assembly. On June 23, 2009, House Joint Resolution 108, the State Sovereignty Resolution, was signed by Governor Phil Bredesen. The Resolution created a committee which has as its charge to:
- Communicate the resolution to the legislatures of the several states,
- Assure them that this State continues in the same esteem of their friendship,
- Call for a joint working group between the states to enumerate the abuses of authority by the federal government, and
- Seek repeal of the assumption of powers and the imposed mandates.
It is for those purposes that this letter addresses your honorable body.
In 1776, our founding fathers declared our freedom in the magnificent Declaration of Independence; our guide to governance. They established a nation of free and independent states. Declaring that the purpose of our political system is to secure for its citizens’ their natural rights. The Constitution authorizes the national government to carry out seventeen enumerated powers in Article 1, Section 8 and the powers of several of the ensuing amendments.
At the time of the Constitutional ratification process James Madison drafted the “Virginia Plan” to give Congress general legislative authority and to empower the national judiciary to hear any case that might cause friction among the states, to give the congress a veto over state laws, to empower the national government to use the military against the states, and to eliminate the states’ accustomed role in selecting members of Congress. Each one of these proposals was soundly defeated. In fact, Madison made many more attempts to authorize a national veto over state laws, and these were repeatedly defeated as well.
There are clear limits to the power of the federal government and clear realms of power for the states. However, the simple and clear expression of purpose, to secure our natural rights, has evolved into the modern expectation that the national government has an obligation to ensure our life, to create our liberty, and fund our pursuit of happiness.
The national government has become a complex system of programs whose purposes lie outside of the responsibilities of the enumerated powers and of securing our natural rights; programs that benefit some while others must pay.
Today, the federal government seeks to control the salaries of those employed by private business, to change the provisions of private of contracts, to nationalize banks, insurers and auto manufacturers, and to dictate to every person in the land what his or her medical choices will be.
Forcing property from employers to provide healthcare, legislating what individuals are and are not entitled to, and using the labor of some so that others can receive money that they did not earn goes far beyond securing natural rights, and the enumerated powers in the Constitution.
The role of our American government has been blurred, bent, and breached. The rights endowed to us by our creator must be restored.
To be sure, the People created the federal government to be their agent for certain enumerated purposes only. The Constitutional ratifying structure was created so it would be clear that it was the People, and not the States, that were doing the ratifying.
The Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that which has been delegated by the people to the federal government, and also that which is absolutely necessary to advancing those powers specifically enumerated in the Constitution of the United States. The rest is to be handled by the state governments, or locally, by the people themselves.
The Constitution does not include a congressional power to override state laws. It does not give the judicial branch unlimited jurisdiction over all matters. It does not provide Congress with the power to legislate over everything. This is verified by the simple fact that attempts to make these principles part of the Constitution were soundly rejected by its signers.
With this in mind, any federal attempt to legislate beyond the Constitutional limits of Congress’ authority is a usurpation of state sovereignty - and unconstitutional.
Governments and political leaders are best held accountable to the will of the people when government is local. The people of a state know what is best for them; authorities, potentially thousands of miles away, governing their lives is opposed to the very notion of freedom.
We invite your state to join with us to form a joint working group between the states to enumerate the abuses of authority by the federal government and to seek repeal of the assumption of powers and the imposed mandates.
Susan Lynn is a member of the Tennessee General Assembly; serving on the Commerce Committee and Chairman of the Government Operations committee. She holds a BS in economics and a minor in history. She is the Chairman of the American Legislative Exchange Council’s Commerce Task Force. Visit her blog at http://susan-lynn.blogspot.com
Also see: Hope comes from the Great State of Tennessee - By Marilyn Barnewall
http://www.newswithviews.com:80/Barnewall/marilyn118.htm
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