Michigan Votes Forum

 quiet cal SHOULD have said...

"the business of america's businesses is business. the business of government is governing, nothing else."

gee, sane...

you're really starting to sound libertarian.

kinda scary, really...

crazycajun:

 quiet cal SHOULD have said...

"the business of america's businesses is business. the business of government is governing, nothing else."

I don't think for a minute that President Collidge needed (or needs) a dunce like you putting words in his mouth and distorting his thoughts.  He could speak for himself, and very well.

As much as I admire the practical conservatism exemplified by President Coolidge, I believe he was way off the beam with his comment that, "The business of America is business."  This thought, that our national purpose is primarily to support business, has caused great mischief in our nation, by encouraging and allowing business to become a sort of uber government pulling the strings in Washington, Lansing and everyplace else.  We have come to worship at the feet of business, to kiss its hem.  And look at the mess we are in today.

To find a more appropriate statement of national purpose, politicians and the rest of us should read, absorb and heed the Preamble to our United States Constitution, which says:

We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish the Constitution for the United States of America.

Preamble -- The Constitution of The United States, 1787

SaneMichigander:

crazycajun:

 quiet cal SHOULD have said...

"the business of america's businesses is business. the business of government is governing, nothing else."

I don't think for a minute that President Collidge needed (or needs) a dunce like you putting words in his mouth and distorting his thoughts.  He could speak for himself, and very well.

<why not? he has a dunce like you screwing up what he meant.>

As much as I admire the practical conservatism exemplified by President Coolidge, I believe he was way off the beam with his comment that, "The business of America is business."  This thought, that our national purpose is primarily to support business, has caused great mischief in our nation, by encouraging and allowing business to become a sort of uber government pulling the strings in Washington, Lansing and everyplace else.  We have come to worship at the feet of business, to kiss its hem.  And look at the mess we are in today.

<yes, lets look at the mess we are in. our stock market is the most active in the world, buying and selling more monetary worth in an hour than most other markets trade in a week. our national economy is among the strongest in the world, despite the 'correction' we are experiencing now. our people are for the most part employed. (only about seven percent aren't.) look around the world, and you will see entire countries with forty to fifty percent unemployment. for a hundred years, we dominated the world economically. our businesses set the standards even today for business performance. other countries are failing right before our eyes, yet we whine and complain about "bush did this" and "bush did that". now we are blaming the companies that put us at the top of the heap for our government's failure to CONTROL THOSE COMPANIES. perhaps we should be blaming the government for trying to control the companies in the first place.>

To find a more appropriate statement of national purpose, politicians and the rest of us should read, absorb and heed the Preamble to our United States Constitution, which says:

We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish the Constitution for the United States of America.

Preamble -- The Constitution of The United States, 1787

 

 so, where in there does it say 'TO TAX THE PEOPLE INTO PAUPERHOOD AND CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF PRIVATE BUSINESS? truth is, it doesn't.

you confuse 'more perfect union' with MORE UNIONS. you confuse 'establish justice' with DEMAND EQUALITY. you confuse 'insure domestic tranquility' with INTERFERE WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES. you confuse 'provide for the common defence' with SPEND BILLIONS ON EVERYTHING BUT DEFENCE. you confuse 'promote the general welfare' with PROVIDE WELFARE TO EVERYBODY. you have no sense of the goodness of the blessings of liberty, so you take them from the people in exchange for the 'gubmint cheeze' you would have us all eat.

perhaps if you READ the constitution and ADHERED TO IT'S WORDS you would quit doing things that it says we shouldn't do.

but that is too much to ask of a liberal.

Crazy, you should emulate Quiet Cal and keep your peace.  You'd do a lot better.

Have a good day in your little LaLa Land, crazy.

 no thanks.

i'd rather emulate THEODORE ROOSEVELT.

talk softly... carry a BIG STICK.

crazycajun:

 no thanks.

i'd rather emulate THEODORE ROOSEVELT.

talk softly... carry a BIG STICK.

Start now.

First, talk softly.  This will tax you mightily, because it is very out of character.

Then go find your big stick.  This should keep you busy for a lifetime or two.

Have a nice day in your screwed up little LaLa Land, crazy.  Your posts here give us many good hoots -- like watching antics in the monkey house.

 i've got my BIG STICK.

and i said TALK SOFTLY, not TALK LESS.

live with it.

Not to be picky, but I've noticed that your bumper stickers, you know, the quotes from socialist you use to sign off with, are getting longer than your post. Is there any significance to this, or are your comments better stated in bumper sticker terms than correspondence?

 if you have to ask....

you can't understand either.

Don't be rude.

Just answer the question.

 i will when you do. not until.

there are several questions YOU haven't answered. that makes you rude, crude, and socially unacceptable.

pfffft.

I would take being "socially unacceptable" to crazy as a high compliment, Sane.

 you would, j. that's the problem.

jmangan:

I would take being "socially unacceptable" to crazy as a high compliment, Sane.

Oh, I do.  

 and therein lies the problem.

,for crazy.

 and for everyone else that wonders why you take insults as compliments.

I consider the source.

 if you did, you would initiate an immediate program of self improvement.

I've promised not to be too hard on you.

 you couldn't be. you are the one who needs immediate improvement.

I feel I already have. I'll back off a little, give you a chance to catch your breath. You don't smoke do you?

 no, i don't smoke.

and i don't see any improvement in you. where is it?

probably the same place as governor granholms plans to save the state.

Rough day today, eh?

 not at all...

i've had a great day, and it's just beginning. i'm going to have a great night as well.

i've made money, made a couple of new friends, closed a few contracts, beaten you several times, and made my points over and over again.

yes, a good day all in all.

if we could only get granholm out of office before we all get flushed down the great hole of michigan.

Yea, you've really beaten me. I'm vanquished.

 not vanquished... just nannied.

you NEED a nanny, don't you? you said i was responsible for your health and safety, so i'm taking the responsiblilty for you.

remember when i told you that those aspirin would be few and far between? of course you don't, but you gave me the responsibility anyway.

yes, you did the typically liberal thing and simply gave the responsibility for your health and walfare, and your rights and freedoms to someone else. as you THOUGHT you gave it up to the government, i'm sure that you are perfectly comfortable with your decision. as in FACT, you gave it up to me, remember, i am the people who you gave responsibility to.

with that responsibility comes the right to decide what you do, when you do it, and how you do it.

you gave all that up for security.

you're the one who needs a nanny... now you have one.

So do you.

 yeah, but she will be out of office in a short while.

you NEED a nanny. you embrace your nanny like a warm blanket. you couldn't exist without one.

for me, the nanny state is a hinderance. to you a nanny is life itself.

you have no self reliance, which is why you advocate the nanny state doing so many useless things that you cannot or will not do.

You think of the state as if it is some entity in outer space, completely foreign and seperated from us, ready to attack.

I, on the other hand, see the state as an expression of myself and my fellow citizens. I am a part of the state, responsible for it, and to it. If it does something wrong, I try to change it. If it does something right, I take pride in it. I participate.

It isn't my "nanny". I am it's nanny, to use your term. It is what we make it, at least for those of us who participate.

 so you, and the other NANNY STATISTS take full responsibility for the current 'NANNY STATE CRISIS'?

it's about time. it was getting tiresome listening to you try to pawn it off on bush.

but remember, as your nanny, i have BANNED YOU FROM VOTING. so you cannot correct this problem, just as your nanny state has banned you from voting for anyone but a nanny stater.

it's sad that YOU NEED A NANNY. but true.

Don't worry, we'll take good care of you. That shouldn't be too hard. Just provide you with lots of straw and a keyboard. You'll be happy.

 fortunately, i don't need strawmen. i have you to knock down.

you don't answer questions, the rest of the world knows you either don't know the answer or don't want to lie.

we have a bulletin board at the internet cafe with a list of all the questions you haven't answered, and a short reason why.

some of them are hilarious.

we have a whole section entitled "he's just a democrat and don't know better".

crazycajun:

 fortunately, i don't need strawmen.

You have exceptional need for strawmen, as you repeatedly demonstrate.  Otherwise, you can't make your stupid arguments even momentarily plausible.

On the other hand, the rest of us never need for strawmen as long as you keep posting.  It is fun watching the straw fly as various posters here take apart your illogical arguments, distorted claims, dishonest assertions of "fact," and tub-thumping efforts at self aggrandizement.

In short, you are a source of great amusement and mirth at the Internet Cafe.

Have a nice day in your twisted up LaLa Land, crazy. 

Poor crazy, says he has a bar, restaurants, inventions, security company, travels the world, yet he can't afford internet service in his home, needs to go to an internet cafe for access.

Sad.

 there is a difference between HAVE TO and WANT TO. if i stayed in my HOMES, or in my OFFICES, or in my BARS, or in my RESTARAUNTS, then the people at the internet cafe i'm negotiating to buy wouldn't have access to your comedy.

pity all you can do is sit there with your dial-up service and adjust the tinfoil hat you have to wear.

 you mean jman? your alter ego?

nah... he's just as easy to topple over as you are.

neither of you knows how to answer a question. the michigan public school system must not have been able to beat that ability into your thick skull. neither of you is in touch with reality. and neither of you has any clue what you are talking about.

now, as your nanny, i order you to take your meds, drink your warm milk, and go nighty-night. it's good for you, it's good for the children, and it's good for the state.

goodnight.. nannystater...

Quite a picture you've painted crazy. A bunch of people hunched over you laughing at your adolescent minded postings here. Must be great fun for you and your buddies, and quite discouraging for the administrators of this site to see their attempts at providing a forum for discussion turned into an ongoing high school prank.

 hardly a high school prank, j. but this site IS a high school reading requirement. i'll bet you didn't know that you are on the required reading list at our local high school. there are two teachers here that use you as a bad example of citizenship to their students. i see citizens bent over computers as citizens have bent over newspapers for centuries, perusing the musings of the writers and pundits of the day. just as the letters to the editor column has been read and discussed, and news articles have been discussed, and new legislation has been debated since this country began.

where once we had only a few opinions to ponder, now we have thousands. yours, trueblue's, sanemichigander's, and yes, sadly for you, crazycajun's. even my opinion is discussed, dissected, and gone over. we here at the internet cafe simply have a much better time dissecting your comments than most.

what we do see as an ongoing prank, and have complained about numerous times, is your constant obsession with anything that crazycajun posts. between you, sanemichigander, and trueblue, i'm beginning to think that xenophobia is a common michigander trait.

i understand you not liking crazycajun, he's a bit abrasive at times, and he is quite sure of his beliefs, but then again, so are you. you just play the "silly game" of "cajun-baiting" just to draw him away from the subject of the thread. speaking of the subject of the thread, you have posted off topic only a little bit less than cajun. your other sins are many, and it disturbs you that cajun gives as good as he gets. he's not afraid to, as the history class describes it, "go there" with you.

yes, we gather around computers here, and in the classrooms of our high school, (and i hope others) and read what you have to say. some kids even have homework based on what you have to say. it's called practicing citizenship. and being good citizens, we listen to and either agree with or disagree with other's opinions. so far, the value of your opinions, and those of your brethren on the left, has fallen considerably. your "silly games" have lost you credibility, and made you the brunt of high school jokes.

the difference between you and cajun is that the students can come see cajun whenever they want to, and write to him often asking questions. you, they just see as a humorous anonymous poster on the site. just so you don't feel left out. trueblue is referred to as the communist cockatiel.

I certainly hope you enjoyed that little diatribe uber. I get the feeling your trying hard to insult me, but just don't have the guts. If you think that telling me others are reading my post will get me to change them, or my ideology, you are barking up the wrong tree. I am quite honored, if it is true of course, that others are reading them, especially high school students.

As for my "sins" you say are many; aren't you taking on quite an authoritive role to point out my sins. What about that "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" deal? Don't you buy into that?

As for being the "brunt of high school jokes"; great! The more audience I get, no matter the reaction, the better.

There's one little matter I would like you to clear up though. You said xenophobia appears to be a common trait of Michiganders. That implies you may be from somewhere other than Michigan, like crazy is. And you never capitolize letters at the beginning of a sentence, the way crazy does, and you capitolize letters for emphasis, like crazy does. Mmmmm.