Michigan Votes Forum

Right from the beginning I must explain to everyone what Politrixs is, and how the general public is being played by their own elected officials. I am the Vice Chairperson of a Citizens group called Citizens Against Corrupted Politicians, and we are against how people who we have elected into a government office position have turned on us, and we do believe in our constitutional rights " For the people, By the people, and With the people ", meaning we are the government lets take back our Government. Both politicial parties have losted focus on their primary purpose, including the citizens who have losted interest in our Government operations. I am also a Independent/Grassroot political party member that do believe that we should return back to our basic government operations.  I am sure that a bunch of you was caught up in the Obama/McCain campaign this past election. I am also sure that many of you was mud throwers for your party, and I thought that it was insane how everyone was biting at each other to prove their point.  Here is a deep inside look at how the game of Politrixs is working.  Ask yourself why can't my state legislative bodies (Senation & House) seem to have their own personal agenda. Here in Michigan our legislation should have passed a bill banned cellphone use while driving on our Streets, Freeways, and Highways. No that's to much like right for many of them, due to the fact that most law makers are on their cellphones while driving, and just as soon as one of their family members are killed in a automobile accident that was caused by a drive who was on a cellphone they will push things to make it a law (That's Politrixs).  Its time to wakeup by starting recalls and impeachnents. 

 but mr. rights...

the LEFT is against recalls and impeachments...

probably because they have been recalled and impeached most often.

Gee cajun, you and this guy sound like you were made for each other. See if you can get him into the anarchist club. Maybe he would like to sit at your right hand.

 nah... he has his OWN club... each man a king.

why don't you join our little club? instead of being the third assistant proletariat at the next disloyal disorder of onion meeting.

or even better, why don't you just answer the questions, and we'll see which club you REALLY belong to.

The deficit lies with you my man. You've got to learn to ask the right questions, of yourself.

 such as????

tell you what... you answer mine, and i'll answer yours.

deal?

I don't have any questions for you cajun. That be like fishing in the bathtub, a waste of time.

 so what questions should i ask myself?

i'm interested to know...

even though you aren't interested to tell. typical liberal, suggest questions then refuse to give them. they must not be too important.

They're certainly not important to me.

 i must be...

you spent more hours rebutting my opinions than you did earning your keep.

and you didn't do a very good job at either.

pity i'm the most important thing in your life right now.

You flatter yourself.

 i must be...

does your old lady know you spend more time with me than you do with her?

It's our little secret.

 i think a few others are 'in on it'.

you just can't resist, can you?

The pickings are too easy, I can't help myself.

 i thought it was because i was so attractive to you.

You are, in a spider to the fly kind of way.

 are all your relationships this sick and twisted?

No, my other relationships are with intelligent people.

 so, why do you insist on being my fly?

Your view of yourself as the spider makes you much more vulnerable.

Easy prey is hard to ignore.

 i'm glad you consider yourself easy prey.

but you are also easy to ignore.

now, i'm not sure what your sick and twisted relationship with me has to do with our politicians playing silly games when they should be attending to the business of saving this state from it's plight, but i'm sure that you'll get back around to it soon enough.

Right, back to the topic. I see you've learned your lesson.

Good job Sane.

 obviously it will be later than sooner....

please explain why you think it's okay for YOUR elected officials to play silly games with our government, our economy, and our future?

and DO try to stay on topic.

Sorry I kept you waiting, but I'm not as fast as you are, or I've got better things to do. Whatever.

In the spirit of staying on topic, you really should go back and read the original post of this thread. Whew....! I think it would be much better for both of us, and anyone reading this, if we should, just this once, stray from the topic.

In order for me to explain any "silly games" about our government, our economy, or our future, I would need some names and details.

Hope that's not asking too much.

My elected officials, I mean the ones I voted for, and incidently won, are not playing "silly games", but are doing the job I asked them to.

 What is wrong with this message format that sentences are all broken up?  How do one format a reply on this message board?

 sorry, j. but the topic of this thread IS playing silly games with politics.

so, your reps are doing the job you asked them to do.

what job is that, exactly, and what are they doing to accompish that job?

do you mean OVER TAXING US? mission accomplished. long ago.

do you mean SPENDING ON FRIVOLOUS PRORAMS? mission accomplished. long ago.

do you mean WRITING ANTI-BUSINESS OBSTRUCTIONIST LEGISLATION? mission accomplished, long ago.

so, what OTHER job are they not doing while they are playing SILLY GAMES ruining this state?  

I don't mean overtaxing us, you said that. I don't mean spending on frivalous programs, you said that. And I don't mean writing anti-business obstructionist legislation, you said that.

As I've suggested to you before crazy, you need to answer your own questions, not pose them to me. If anything ever comes up that I feel I need to ask you about, I will. So far, zip.

MrRights2BHeard:

 What is wrong with this message format that sentences are all broken up?  How do one format a reply on this message board?

 

That's just how crazy writes.

You must live on a Indian Reservation or on the far side of the moon for you not to see what is taking place around you?. The Social Economics, and job employement is across the red (Danger) line. That's because Elected officials seem to have their own agenda once they get in office. My Rep or Senator isn't doing the job that I voted for them to do, and don't give nobody the impression that I support crooks. That's a Bulls**t, cause the programs that was created a long time ago is now history thanks to Bush's budget cuts, and they are continuing to play the Political game with Citizens.  The Middle East conflicts are War games, wanting to be the Global Cops is a game, and again bailing the BIG 3 & Wall Street out is a game at the tax payers expenses.

Now the Automakers is still begging for bailout money, and the Government is stupid enough to turn around to help get real. If that's not playing the Political game what are they playing with our tax dollars? 

Thanks Jman for informing me about Crazy, and I am starting to see Crazy does have some serious issues Jman. Another thing that I can't understand Jman is who do Crazy be replying to? I never see a name, and I be thinking that Crazy be talking to me. Thanks Again, Jmangan 

Your welcome, MrRights.

 i'm usually replying to the post listed.

yes, i have serious issues, but no less than 'jman', and 'sane', and 'trueblue'. who all have serious 'big government' issues, not to mention that those three have serious rudeness issues involving answering questions.

no home training i expect.

you do have the right to be heard, but those three would have my opinion stifled in preference to the leftist point of view.

if they can stifle me, they can stifle you.

and trust me, they will try.

now, what, exactly is your problem with me?

they won't answer that question either.

 by the way, mr. rights...

look and see what party SIGNED THE CHECKS for all those bailout games.

look and see who is planning on sending more troops to afghanistan.

look and see who is adding PORK to the bailout bill, things that will neither help or economy, or ensure jobs. just future votes for democrats.

now, if the left is through playing silly games with our money and our future....

 so, what job DO you mean?

what did YOU elect them for?

did they promise you something in exchange for your vote? a quid pro quo?

You may be talking to me crazy, or MrRights, I'm not sure. But this once to play your little game of 10 questions, I'll answer these three posed in your post.

I want my representatives to do the job of making our government work for all of us. That means the rich, the middleclass, and the poor.

I elected them for a term of office, giving them that time to do what they promised in their campaign, or at least try to, and to make fair and honest decisions as new problems arise.

Yes, they did promise me something in return for my vote. That's what politicians do. They promised to do the best they could, be honest and forthright, and adhere to the constitution, whether the state's or the nation's.

I'll even answer a question you didn't ask, but surely will. Have they done all that? Yes and no. I will again make my judgement in the next election. That's how it works, that's how it should work, and I will defend that system my entire life.

 Crazy, I know who is signing the bailout checks now, but what about all the other times when Bush was in Office who signed them then? and that's why the new Administration is doing what its doing.  Yet, President Obama is creating plans to stop these clowns from begging for public money, and is trying to help these greedy bastards that's begging

President Obama, must continue to do what Bush started, or everything will fall apart, and if Obama was to back off will make our Nation look like ( Government) a bunch of S**t starting Assholes. Then a bunch of you would be b****ing about that. Understand me CLEARLY, I am NOT talking about President Obama, but I am talking about these crooks that we elect to represent us on the Government levels, and you support crooks who is stealing our (tax-payers) money then you are no better.  

 if you have read my posts, you already know better than that.

but you seem to have been spoon-fed a line of bull about bush, and have bought into it hook, line, and sinker.

your 'blame bush first' attitude shows that clearly. bush can't sign what congress didn't put on his desk. you blame him for everything from dandruff to piles, yet you refuse to see what our own governor and legislature has done to this state.

our state was, and still is, in much worse shape much sooner than any other state in the union. businesses have been leaving here since our governor took office, and for good reason, it's tough to do business here.

draconian laws, business defeating taxes, citizen destroying fees, highest incarceration rate in the nation, highest unemployment rate in the nation, all work together to form a stifling blanket of poverty over this state.

the bailout money MIGHT help, but the tax structure will quickly  suck any benefit from the people who get it to the people who put us here in the first place.

 First of all before I deliver my opinion I must say this to you Crazycajun. Whenever you are trying to make a point state who you are trying to make a point too. Now my opinion on your above quote that I totally dis-agree with concern your statement about our current Governor.  Our current Governor is doing the best that she can do to make things right, due to the fact that she is still cleaning out the Two term BS that John Angler left, and she is in the same position that President Obama is in.  President Obama, is trying to sweep the Political dust (damage) that Bush Jr created in his two terms. Actually, the President is doing what he think is best to continue the safeguard of our Country, and yes I do have a serious attitude with ALL Presidents who screwed America.

Baillout Money? I do NOT support the bailouts at all. Why should tax-payers have to bail Billionaries out of their financial problems? These are the same clowns that helped to finance the War in the Middle East, or they are sitting in their 1 inch thick red carpet office smoking $50 dollar Cigars, and now they want help from the Public. Crazyj, ask yourself why is our State in bad shape. This State economic was shot to hell (again) back in Engler days, businesses begin to close or move out to another State or Country, and YOU need to STOP blaming Governor Granholms.

Businesses are defending taxes because they want to make money, but do not want to pay higher taxes, and that's why the State has losted businesses. All this should be considered as the reason for High Unemployment, people losing their homes because of Foreclosurers, high Crime, and other situations that has damaged our economic. In closing, I do believe that its time to end ALL Middle East crisis, and come back home to rebuild America.

crazycajun:

our state was, and still is, in much worse shape much sooner than any other state in the union. businesses have been leaving here since our governor took office, and for good reason, it's tough to do business here.

Michigan's unhappy situation has far, far less to do with the direction our government has taken than it has to do with the nature of businesses that once were (and still are, to a diminished degree) the mainstay of the Michigan economy.  To incessantly scapegoat political parties and politicians, and government for failures that come of evolutionary shifts in the business environment is perversely misguided, an outright denial of reality,  destructively distracting, and plain old simple-minded.

This is not saying that political parties and politicians and government must be absolved of all "blame."  All unwisely have listened too closely and heeded the wishes of business in various ways that provided short term benefits to business but long term destruction of or failure to deal with the changing economy.

What really must happen at this juncture is to pause, for just a moment and calmly look at the entanglement of government and business over the years.  The purpose is to accurately identify state and national policies and practices that foster long term adaptability in the business sector, and economic health, and those that don't.  Pitch out the latter and concentrate on doing the former, which will be relatively few in number.

Above all, it is absolutely necessary to understand that, wise as he was, the last truly conservative president, Calvin Coolidge had it wrong when he said, "The business of America is business."  Quiet Cal, whom I greatly admire, was overly simplistic on that one.  He might better have turned to the Preamble to the United States Constitution to discover what the business of America -- a great nation and a great institution all at once -- really is.