Michigan Votes Forum

Introduced in the House on October 29, 2008

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Once again, we want to give a little break to the employers of illegal aliens by not only not punishing them for breaking employment laws, but lower their unemployment insurance costs for doing so. What kind of nuts do we have running amok in Lansing? Dont allow illegal aliens to be employed AT ALL-by enforcing the employment laws against employers.

All illegals need to be deported. One person I know was hit by a car driven by an illegal alien. The illegal fled the country, now the victim is left penniless, the system disqualifies him at every turn for benefits. No insurance on the car- the illegal was unlicensed. KICK THEM ALL OUT! before it happens to you!

 I agree. this sort of thing basically incourages free enterprise sweat-shops right here in our own neck of the woods ...go figure that Mr. Elsenheimer wants this sort of thing passed...he worships the golden calf we call the free-market.

 so how is NOT paying unemployment benefits to illegal aliens PROMOTING sweatshops?

Employers pay unemployment insurance. If they hire someone who is illegally in the country, then lay them off, this bill would let them off the hook for unemployment. Do you see the incentive for employers in this. Hire illegals, let them work for you for a period of time, then fire them without having to pay unemployment. Cheaper than hiring a legal resident, right? Promoting sweatshops, right?

 i'm glad you took care of it and i'm not the only one on here who has half a brain...

 employers only pay unemployment insurance on those LEGALLY EMPLOYED. they do not pay unemployment insurance on people they do not pay 'ON THE BOOKS'. so, if an illegal is working 'under the table', the employer doesn't have to pay unemployment insurance. THAT is an incentive to hire them.

i say, let's put the person who hires illegals IN JAIL. that will stop all this nonsense.

i'm surprised the unions haven't gotten involved with this, as they are certainly missing an opportunity to UNIONIZE the illegals, help them become taxpaying democrat voters, and charge them union dues.

 you just said the exact same thing that we've been saying....and then tacked on democrat on there to make it sound bad...

i realize that you think it's awful and bad that democrats would actually take care of these "illegals" by, i don't know, helping them have a far and decent job. you republican's may not give a *** about these "less then desirable" people, but us democrat's do (we actually have a conscience). besides...helping people, tend my sheep, give unto the least of these...ringin any bells you crazy christian conservative?

JKennedy:

 you just said the exact same thing that we've been saying....and then tacked on democrat on there to make it sound bad...

i realize that you think it's awful and bad that democrats would actually take care of these "illegals" by, i don't know, helping them have a far and decent job.

<you keep skating over the term "ILLEGALS". if they were ATTEMPTING to be legal by applying for citizenship, in other words, FOLLOWING THE LAW AND THE RULES, then i wouldn't have a problem with them. if you TAKE CARE of the illegals, then they come in and allow themselves to be put into SWEATSHOPS. the very thing that you say is a bad thing. they also take jobs from AMERICAN CITIZENS. another thing you say is a bad thing. but your CARING FOR THEM actually ATTRACTS THEM. make up your mind, you can't have it both ways.>

 you republican's may not give a *** about these "less then desirable" people, but us democrat's do (we actually have a conscience). besides...helping people, tend my sheep, give unto the least of these...ringin any bells you crazy christian conservative?

do you find people who break the law DESIREABLE over LAW ABIDING CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY?

obviously you do.

if you feel compelled to help the least of these, to tend your sheep, by all means do, but send the help where it is needed, don't bring the ILLEGAL SHEEP HERE. 

how about we give those same illegals one year to apply for, and obtain citizenship, and those that can't or won't, get deported, under the law.

how about YOU supporting them OBEYING THE LAW. if they're YOUR SHEEP, then you better put licenses and collars on them quickly. your RESPONSIBILITY to this country is severly lacking. a true democrat trait.

i have no need, or desire for illegal aliens. my relatives followed the rules, became citizens, learned the language, and are now in this country for generations. if my family can do it, i expect their families to do it. it's the AMERICAN WAY.

have your sheep do what it takes to become legal, and all these problems go away.

 

 i see your point about breaking the law...very valid...

and your idea about the one-year grace period to obtain citizenship is a very smart endeavour.

however due to crazy bureaucracies and the paper jungle we call Nationalization, and the crazy monetary demands it has, many of these immagrants simply can't afford to step into the light of "legality". now i know that the generally accepted reasoning for this is "lazy-F***in-Immagrant", but on the other side of the coin, how do we know that they didn't have a job that they got screwed out of through the "free-market", money grubbing, imperialism that we have come to worship here in the good ole U.S. of A.? but that's for another time.

my point is this. alot of these immagrants work the jobs that no one else wants to. they work in the feilds when it's raining out side and the white man doesn't want to get wet. they are the one's who work in hazardous locations, with no benefit of health insurance, for pennies a day...and when they get sick or simply can't work a job...that's just to damn bad...because now they don't even get unemployment. you tell me what's fair or "legal" about that?

..and in fairness i do support measures to get law breakers out of this country if they are not supposed to be here, however i think the immagration system is flawed. i don't find those who break the law desirable, let alone more desirable then law abiding citizens. this country isn't big enough for you and a couple immagrants? it's not like i'm suggesting we trade out "law-breakers" for honest hard working people. in fact many of these immagrants are just that, honest hard working people...

oh, and lastly...you want to talk about lack of responsibility being a common trait aong democrats? what the hell do you call the last 8 years pal? Ted Stevens...George W. Bush...Jack Abramhoff...Grover Nordquist...truly responsible individuals...responsible for what, i'll leave to you...

JKennedy:

 i see your point about breaking the law...very valid...

and your idea about the one-year grace period to obtain citizenship is a very smart endeavour.

<thanks, i thought you'd like it.>

however due to crazy bureaucracies

<another democrat trait, big government.>

 and the paper jungle we call Nationalization

<yet ANOTHER democrat trait, taking from the citizen and giving to the government.>

, and the crazy monetary demands it has, many of these immagrants simply can't afford to step into the light of "legality".

<it costs them NOTHING to apply for citizenship. my buddy married a philipino bride, and she applied for citizenship as soon as she got here. her kid got it even faster than she did, but he was studying all the same stuff in school, and he picked up the language faster.>

 now i know that the generally accepted reasoning for this is "lazy-F***in-Immagrant", but on the other side of the coin, how do we know that they didn't have a job that they got screwed out of through the "free-market",

<because they are HERE taking advantage of OUR free market. remember,in mexico, you cannot work for the 'BIG THREE' AUTOMAKER'S SHEET METAL PLANTS UNLESS YOU ARE A UNION MEMBER, WHICH DOES COST MONEY. so much for the unions providing jobs for the 'little people'.>

 money grubbing, imperialism that we have come to worship here in the good ole U.S. of A.?

<money grubbing? how about OVER TAXED... imperialism??? how about NATIONALISM... beginning to see a PATTERN HERE???>

 but that's for another time.

my point is this. alot of these immagrants work the jobs that no one else wants to. they work in the feilds when it's raining out side and the white man doesn't want to get wet.

<BULL SQUEEZE. you try hiring someone who expects to be paid $25.00 an hour for just showing up. then, on the other side of the table, why hire someone for MINIMUM WAGE, NEARLY $10.00 AN HOUR when you can hire illegals for half that, pay no insurance, no benefits, and no overtime. a CITIZEN cannot work for that. even those that would.>

they are the one's who work in hazardous locations, with no benefit of health insurance, for pennies a day...and when they get sick or simply can't work a job...that's just to damn bad...because now they don't even get unemployment. you tell me what's fair or "legal" about that?

<nothing; so why aren't we PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR IT??????>

..and in fairness i do support measures to get law breakers out of this country if they are not supposed to be here, however i think the immagration system is flawed.

<NO IT'S NOT. it's just VERY BY-PASSED. it's not hard to be a citizen here, we'll even let you keep your old citizenship if you ask for it. but in order to be a citizen here, you have to APPLY for it. the process may take years, but at least APPLY... don't be an illegal, and don't coddle those that HIRE illegals.>

 i don't find those who break the law desirable, let alone more desirable then law abiding citizens. this country isn't big enough for you and a couple immagrants?

<this country has MILLIONS OF MILES OF SPACE FOR IMMIGRANTS. but NO PLACE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.>

 it's not like i'm suggesting we trade out "law-breakers" for honest hard working people. in fact many of these immagrants are just that, honest hard working people...

<hard working they may be, but for them to be HONEST, all they need to do is APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP at the local post office, and then their troubles are over. a couple of hours of paperwork and all is *** dorey. why don't the farmers do that? because as soon as they do, they have to pay them minimum wage, benefits, insurance, the whole nine yards.>

oh, and lastly...you want to talk about lack of responsibility being a common trait aong democrats? what the hell do you call the last 8 years pal? Ted Stevens...George W. Bush...Jack Abramhoff...Grover Nordquist...truly responsible individuals...responsible for what, i'll leave to you...

<i call it learning from the democrats which were in charge for the last forty years. i also call it the BEST economy we've had for a long time, INCLUDING THE CURRENT MESS. remember, with carter, interest rates were at a staggering 27% ON HOME LOANS. you don't even want to know what visa and mastercard could charge you.>