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  • 01-01-2001 12:00 AM

    2008 House Bill 6147 (Make state capitol security officers peace officers )

    Introduced in the House on May 21, 2008

    Click here to view bill details.
  • 05-25-2008 11:43 AM In reply to

    Long overdue

    This bill is long overdue. In these trying fiscal times, we should all be looking for ways to get more bang for our buck.
  • 05-26-2008 11:05 PM In reply to

    The time is right for this

    these guys do a great job - but they could do so much more if their hands were not tied - certify them already.....
  • 05-27-2008 7:25 AM In reply to

    The Last Thing

    that we need in this state are more cops/revenue agents.
  • 05-27-2008 7:51 AM In reply to

    about time

    They should of looked at this long time ago.
  • 05-27-2008 2:50 PM In reply to

    This Bill Also Includes Motor Carrier Officers

    This bill - along with HB4321 shows Bi-partisan support for this issue. Contact your legislator and ask them to support this.
  • 05-28-2008 7:55 AM In reply to

    We Don't Need More Cops

    We need more freedom.
  • 05-28-2008 8:12 AM In reply to

    who is pushing for this?

    the sponsor is a democrat. we can take from that a wish for BIGGER GOVERNMENT and SMALLER FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES.
  • 05-28-2008 8:13 AM In reply to

    perhaps we need

    more freedom to arm and defend ourselves.
  • 05-29-2008 11:04 PM In reply to

    Pass This Bill!!

    In this day and age, it is difficult to believe that we have officers out there that perform the comprehensive law enforcement function that these officers perform and yet they are not certified or classified as law enforcement officers. No other state in the nation is as backwards as Michigan in this respect.
  • 05-30-2008 2:53 PM In reply to

    we have PLENTY

    of officers that perform that SAME comprehensive duty. they are called SECURITY OFFICERS. they are NOT policemen, they are MALL COPS WITH A GOVERNMENT OWNED MALL TO WATCH. if they REALLY NEED REAL POLICE MEN, then MAKE THE JOB DESCRIPTION SAY REAL POLICE MEN, and fire all the MALL COPS to give the OUT OF WORK POLICE MEN jobs. it's THAT SIMPLE. but not here.
  • 06-03-2008 3:33 PM In reply to

    WHY NOT

    They must of be good enough if they've been trained by the State Police.
  • 06-03-2008 3:39 PM In reply to

    Reply to: we have plenty

    One question can you do thier job. Are you trained to handle what they do 24/7. And do you know what they do.
  • 06-03-2008 3:39 PM In reply to

    Reply to: we have plenty

    One question can you do thier job. Are you trained to handle what they do 24/7. And do you know what they do.
  • 06-03-2008 6:12 PM In reply to

    yeah... capital

    security officers make sure the doors are locked and the capital is empty when the janitors are cleaning up.
  • 06-04-2008 7:33 AM In reply to

    re:Reply to: we have plenty

    "One question can you do thier job" Without a doubt. I don't know anyone that couldn't. "And do you know what they do" That and more. I have this old fashioned thing called common sense. You don't see it much anymore which is why we have most of the problems you see today.
  • 06-05-2008 9:06 PM In reply to

    its amazing

    Every time people propose change to make government work better the nay sayer come out and rant. They don't look at the facts or think about what is being proposed. they just say we don't need that. If these Security offers were certified and motor carriers were certified it would free up the police officers and troopers from having to back up these people when a crime is being commited. They are trained to handle the situations that they are involved with every day. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CERTIFIED POLICE OFFICERS THEY HAVE TO CALL IN A TROOPER OR OTHER POLICE AGENCY TO WRITE THE REPORT AND TAKE THE GUY TO JAIL. In stead of requiring two agencies to handle the situation wouldn't it make more sense to allow the people we already have trained to handle the problem. It would save the tax payer money and free up resources for those other officers to handle other complants. With just a few weeks of additional training these pepole could be fully trained poilce officer keep the same retirement they already have. stay at the same job they already have. continue doing the the same job they have been doing only with the authority to handle all of the situations they will Encounter instead of guessing can I do this or do I have to call someone else in to handle this. Give them the Authority and the Ability to do the whole job they were hired to do in the first place. Why tie their hands. Support this legislation it is a good thing.
  • 06-06-2008 7:29 AM In reply to

    Name One Time

    The government changed anything and it got better or cheaper. I thought so.... "Every time people propose change to make government work better the nay sayer come out and rant." "it would free up the police officers and troopers" ---to hide behind trees and write more tickets fleecing the people of michganistan of more of their hard earned money. "It would save the tax payer money" Everytime you hear this saving you money thing it's a good idea to keep your hand on your wallet. "Why tie their hands" Because they can't do any harm that way.
  • 06-16-2008 5:10 PM In reply to

    vote

    vote yes on this bill
  • 06-17-2008 2:56 PM In reply to

    Not going to happen

    I can not see this happening. They will not make the motor carrier officer whom ARE under the MSP peace officers. I don't see it happening.
  • 06-18-2008 8:41 PM In reply to

    Before making judgement

    Has anybody ever looked at what this Officers(Capitol and Motor Carrier) do day in and day out. Has anybody ever sat down with a group of these Officers and ask exactly what they do and can not do Probly not. So before everybody starts slam dunking these Officers why not ask them about thier job. Do they wear a vest do they care guns what training do they have. Can anybody answer these question for me.
  • 06-19-2008 7:23 AM In reply to

    I DON"T CARE WHAT THEY DO!

    We don't need any more revenue agents! We can't afford any more storm troopers. We have way more so called law enforcrment than we need here in michganistan.
  • 06-20-2008 3:04 PM In reply to

    what can they do?

    Motor Carriers Have a Web site you can visit to find out more about what they can and can't do. Why They should be certified check out: asafermichigan.org.
  • 06-20-2008 3:08 PM In reply to

    you would say that

    I'll Bet you get pulled over everyday and get a ticket buy these guys and thats is why your so full of sour grapes. If you followed the rulkes and obeyed the law you would not have to worry about these gentlemen doing the great job that they do for this state.
  • 07-09-2008 7:54 AM In reply to

    Motor carrier officers

    Are not peace officers - this is the problem that needs to be fixed - get your facts straight - go to www.asafermichigan.org for the truth
  • 08-07-2008 11:02 AM In reply to

    Spoke person

    It sounds like you guys/gals as so called law enforcement officers are not promoted enough by the State Police. I speaking of the Capitol Officers. I see an hear about motor carriers or DOTs officers all the time. But for those Officers that protect the Govonor and the Represntives and Sentors and lets not forget all those State Employees and how about the vistors and citzens in the Lansing area. I think this should be really looked at. How about other States that have police Offices working in and around there Capitol buildings and surround areas. I guess nobody thought about somebodies family member working down in around that area and what if they can't get a Lansing Police Officer, I would glad that a one of these Officers showed up and took care what ever issue that is or was going on. Give this officers the tools they need to do thier job.
  • 08-07-2008 11:05 AM In reply to

    We're A Freakin'

    Police State Now. We need less cops, Not More.
  • 08-13-2008 10:24 AM In reply to

    Michigan has (I believe) the largest Arabic population

    Dearborn, Port Huron, Coldwater, I think one UP town. If we try to run for the border, we are screwed. We have the most fresh water in the world. I think our capital needs to be secured. More than any other state in the union. We are the bearers. Let's not pussy foot around with our security these days. That would be unwise. Pass the bill.
  • 08-13-2008 10:26 AM In reply to

    A big HELL YES on that one.

    Just don't use guns on protesters.
  • 08-28-2008 10:13 PM In reply to

    Dark age's

    Why do anything. This state is so far behind the times it's unreal,in security. Instead speading money on our securtiy or how to make it better. Those poeple in that big white house rather spend money on things like how to save turtles crossing a road. Next they'll be say that they don't need any protection, thats when somebody drives right up to some state building and takes a hole lot of state employees lives... can't anybody remember 9-11 and Okahoma. Oh that won't happen here, heard that one before. Do the right thing get this people the tools an the training they need. If they can run a trooper school they sure can get these people trained to do the job right. We sure don't send our military of to fight a war with out the proper training. So what the hold up.
  • 08-28-2008 11:37 PM In reply to

    We Need

    more cops like a frog needs a bicycle
  • 11-19-2008 7:37 AM In reply to

    observer

    wont it be kinda hard to keep these guys at the capitol after they graduate from a full police academy
  • 11-19-2008 8:25 AM In reply to

    Wo Don't Need Any More Cops/Revenue Agents -Anywhere!

    Monday, November 17, 2008 Speed trap: Drivers beware Traffic fines help fill city coffers Officials increasingly target drivers to bolster budgets George Hunter / The Detroit News Grim economic conditions are forcing some communities to rely on traffic cops to increase revenue by writing more tickets, police and elected officials say. "When I first started in this job 30 years ago, police work was never about revenue enhancement," Utica Police Chief Michael Reaves said. "But if you're a chief now, you have to look at whether your department produces revenues. That's just the reality nowadays." A Detroit News analysis of court and police records from 2002-07 shows many Metro Detroit police departments have drastically increased the number of moving violations issued in what some people say is an effort to offset budget shortfalls caused by the sluggish economy. Michigan has cut revenue sharing to communities by $3 billion over the past six budget years, a blow that's been exacerbated by skyrocketing costs and dwindling property values. Taylor Mayor Cameron Priebe, whose community has lost more than $10 million in state revenue sharing the past six years, says the tough conditions have caused city officials to turn to the Police Department for income. "A portion of the tickets our officers write helps pay their salaries, but the rest is profit for the city," said Priebe, a former Taylor police officer. "'Profit' may not be the right word to use in government, but that's pretty much what it is. "Obviously, revenue isn't the only reason our officers are out there -- but I wouldn't be telling the truth if I said it wasn't a consideration." Drop-off seen in some areas But in several communities in Metro Detroit -- which last year was named by the National Motorists Association as the worst metro area in the United States for speed traps -- the ticket increases have been extreme. In 18 communities, the number of moving violations written has jumped by 50 percent or more over the past six years, and 11 of those municipalities have had increases of 90 percent or higher during that time. Officer gains notoriety Warren Officer David Kanapsky came under national media scrutiny recently when it was revealed he had written about 5,000 traffic tickets in 2007. Kanapsky, whose prolific ticket writing was highlighted in July on ABC's 20/20, accounted for nearly 10 percent of the city's ticket writing last year, when there were 54,100 tickets handed out in Warren -- a 20 percent increase over the 44,809 tickets written in 2002. But Warren is hardly alone: • In Romulus, there were 12,040 tickets written last year, which represented a 136 percent jump from the 5,091 violations written in 2002. • The number of violations in Plymouth rose from 440 in 2002 to 2,584 in 2007, a 487 percent jump. • In Detroit, there were 126,007 traffic tickets written in 2002, and 245,249 written in 2007. • Southfield police wrote 13,724 tickets in 2002; in 2007 they wrote 31,795 tickets for an increase of 131 percent. The population has increased in many Metro Detroit suburbs in recent years, which could explain the higher number of traffic tickets. But there have been huge increases even in communities that have been largely built out for years. For instance, Dearborn Heights had a 60 percent jump in tickets written from 2002-07, while Livonia had a 49 percent jump. Most money stays local Most of the revenue from tickets written by State Police and county sheriffs goes into a state fund that's distributed to libraries across Michigan. But a huge portion of the money from tickets issued by most municipal police departments, determined by a complex formula, stays in those communities. Municipalities must send $40 of each fine to the Michigan Justice Training Fund, which helps cover police training costs. The percentage of ticket revenue that communities may keep after that depends on the class of its district court, although most Metro Detroit communities keep all the money that's left over after the $40 assessment. "When elected officials say, 'We need more money,' they can't look to the department of public works to raise revenues, so where do they find it? Police departments," said James Tagnanelli, president of the Police Officers Association of Michigan union. Some dispute premise While some police officials say there is more pressure to increase revenue, others say it's not true. Livonia Police Chief Robert Stevenson insists he has never been pressured by city officials to write more tickets. Stevenson pointed out that traffic accidents have dropped 33 percent since 2003, the year he instituted a program of increased traffic enforcement. "In Livonia, we average less than one homicide a year, but we have 14 or 15 people killed on our roads," Stevenson said. "Most homicides take place behind closed doors, so there's not much the police can do about them, anyway. If you truly want to make a difference, you need to put your resources into traffic patrols." Still, Tagnanelli said he's hearing more complaints than ever from officers statewide who say they're being forced to issue more moving violations. "Is there more pressure being applied to write tickets? Of course there is," Tagnanelli said. "I'm hearing that all the time now from officers. It's gotten much worse over the past five-six years." Tickets upset drivers Critics say the crackdown on motorists causes a rift between citizens and the police, and ties up officers who should be concentrating on preventing crime. "It's getting ridiculous," said Jack Walker, a former Clarkston resident who was given two speeding tickets within a few weeks of each other last year in Orion Township. "Police are using us as their fundraiser, and it's not right. They have more important things to do." Trenton Police Sgt. Richard Lyons agreed. "The people we count on to support us and help us when we're on the road are the ones who end up paying the bills, and they're ticked off about it," Lyons said. "We might was well just go door-to-door and tell people, 'Slide us $100 now, since your 16-year-old is going to end up paying us anyway when he starts driving.' You can't blame people for getting upset. "No politician wants to be the one to raise taxes, but if the community needs more money they should go ahead and raise taxes," Lyons said. "At least that's more honorable than chasing down cars for doing five miles over the speed limit." Said Reaves: "If someone is blowing through a subdivision doing 70 mph while children are playing, nobody is going to complain about the police giving that guy a ticket. "There obviously is a need to patrol the roads -- it's just a matter of allowing your officers to use their judgment, rather than having them write tickets for every single violation."
  • 11-19-2008 9:53 PM In reply to

    Sighhhhh..........

    ...and the state gets yet a bit bigger and hungrier. And our wallets and liberties grow thinner and sparer. And I'm sure all these newly-minted "peace" officers will get immediate raises, too.
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