Michigan Votes Forum

 so why is the state concerned with where snowmobilers and A.T.V. riders go?

most of the land they ride on is PRIVATE land, ridden on with the permission of the landowner. the rest is public land, which the people who are riding ARE the landowner.

so, what is the business of the state in this matter?

truth is, it has none. stay out of it.

This rule would be unenforceable. People over 60 and disabled can get to the designated trails with their ATV's the same way as younger and able bodied people do, trailering them. If the disabled or older people are able to ride an ATV, I would think they are able to drive an automobile.

 unenforceability is only one more facet that shows the folly of wasting legislative time and effort, not to mention the people's money on clap-trap such as this.

(william james durant said...)

I hope Sane will excuse me for going off topic, but I find it hillarious you are quoting a Socialist.

 he happens to be right in this particular assessment of the human condition. many laws is how socialism thrives, few laws is how liberty prevails.

actually he was a british anarchist commenting on the new laws passed because of guy fawkes.

Actually, he was a Socialist. Look it up.

 that takes nothing away from the fact that he was right about his assessment of the human condition. his politics are, as they say... not withstanding.

i didn't choose the saying because he was a socialist, but because he was right about those who call for too many laws, but hold themselves exempt from those laws.

Whether he was right or wrong is not important. What is important is your misuse of facts. Durrant was not an anarchist, he was a Socialist. He was not British, he was American, born in Mass..

The fact that you chose to use him to reinforce your point of view is very telling. You seem to think Socialist are in favor of more laws. Maybe you need to re-examine what socialism is, being as you have used a socialist as a reference. You might be surprised.

And maybe you need to be a bit more honest, or at least do the research, before making definitive statements. It's too easy nowdays to fact check.

In a nod to Sane and his crusade to stay on topic, we don't need this new ATV law. See the connection?

 so, why are you going on about whether a man was a socialist or not. he simply commented about guy fawkes, and that comment was quoted. i think the comment is a correct assessment of the human condition. not a commentary on his politics, as you so adamantly assume.

i could care less about his politics, by the way, guy fawkes WAS british, he WAS an anarchist, and he tried to blow up parliament during the gunpowder treason and plot. he felt that the new laws he was protesting were not meant for the likes of him, but should be avenged anyway.

"remember, remember, the fifth of november, the gunpowder treason and plot..."

a penny for the guy?

crazycajun:

actually he was a british anarchist commenting on the new laws passed because of guy fawkes.

That is what you said.

You seem to be confusing Durrant with Fawkes. The "he" you say was a British anarchist can only refer to Durrant in your sentence, as you go on to say he was commenting on Fawkes.

Just trying to make sense out of your jumbled syntax.

“actually he was a british anarchist commenting on the new laws passed because of guy fawkes.”  Attribution:  crazycajun, this MichiganVotes forum thread post in reference to William James Durant, Tues., Feb 17, 2009, 12:08 AM

Durant was an American Socialist, not a British anarchist.

Jury has reviewed evidence and returned a verdict.

Poster known as crazycajun guilty of misrepresenting fact and guilty of off topic posting. 

Now kindly return to discussing 2008 HB 5640, which is moot unless a new version is introduced in the current legislative session. 

I would oppose such a bill.

 gee...

your INTEREST in mr. durant is... how shall i say... INSANE

your point is moot, as it has nothing to do with this discussion, or why i chose to put it on my posts.

in other words... so what...

if my choice of words on my posts bothers you THAT MUCH that you totally stray off topic, you have no control.

the difference between us is...

i know i'm crazy for being in michigan.

you THINK you're sane...

I hate to point out the obvious, but if your crazy for being in Michigan, leaving might be good for you, and us.

This bill is still not needed because it is unenforcable.

 how typically michigander of you.

invite those you disagree with to leave. how gauche.

you are right, this bill IS uninforceable, but then again, most bills are. as a law, it could be used to close down trails and block access to public lands for recreational use. this will, of course, still leave private property owners the choice of whether or not to allow atv riders access, but you see how quickly private property owner's rights are slipping away, don't you?

crazycajun:

you are right, this bill IS uninforceable, but then again, most bills are. as a law, it could be used to close down trails and block access to public lands for recreational use. this will, of course, still leave private property owners the choice of whether or not to allow atv riders access, but you see how quickly private property owner's rights are slipping away, don't you? 

No. Not by means of this proposal.

Mardi Gras is coming.  Plan a trip to The Big Easy, party down, destroy more of your few remaining brain cells on Cajun joy juice, and then y'all come back here to entertain us with your constant inanity.

Hey, here's an idea for parade day:  You can dress up as a scarecrow.  This would be a natural for you.  You have proven your talent for it by being the perfect strawman for rational posters on this site. 

 there are only a few other RATIONAL posters on this site, and you ain't one of 'em.

neither is trueblue, or 'jman'.

a strawman usually holds up someone else's ideas. these are my own.

you, on the other hand, have no original ideas, no idea at all about some subjects, and no answers whatsoever.

nice try though.

crazycajun:

a strawman usually holds up someone else's ideas. these are my own.

We already knew your ideas, and most of the information you spew is stuff you made up.  Thanks for letting the world in on it.

You even make up your own definition of "strawman."  What a grand hoot you are!

That is what makes you so much fun, crazy. The rational people don't have to invent ridiculous strawmen.  We have you.

 ahhh. there's the old blow-hard sanemichigander we've all come to know.

i was wondering what happened to you. you were doing SO WELL there for a while, then, whammo... right back to being a whining lefty.

crazycajun:

 ahhh. there's the old blow-hard sanemichigander we've all come to know.

i was wondering what happened to you. you were doing SO WELL there for a while, then, whammo... right back to being a whining lefty.

Oh wow!  Flamed by a strawman.

Careful it doesn't backfire on ya, scarecrow.

Have a nice day in your LaLa Land.

 so, insane...

why the contempt for cops?

got arrested once or twice?

got pulled over for nothing?

ex wife was a cop?

i have the utmost contempt for people who refuse to answer questions. the only logical reasons for not answering simple questions are either to keep from lying, or to hide ignorance.

in your case, i think it's both. perhaps you have roughed up your old lady once or three times, and been given the 'city tour' by the local cops.

now, before you start trying to say 'it's none of my business', then don't start the conversation if you don't want to answer questions on it.

the particulars of my company and what i do is classified, and will remain that way unless and until you procure my services. if you REALLY want to know, i'll provide you with the particulars as soon as your check clears.

crazycajun:

 so, insane...

why the contempt for cops?

Where have I ever expressed contempt for cops?  

i have the utmost contempt for people who refuse to answer questions. the only logical reasons for not answering simple questions are either to keep from lying, or to hide ignorance.

I have the utmost contempt for jackanapes who brag about things like providing "security solutions" to my state prison system, but who refuse to explain in concrete terms what that means, when asked to do so.  

in your case, i think it's both. perhaps you have roughed up your old lady once or three times, and been given the 'city tour' by the local cops.

And that is a baseless, malicious libel.

now, before you start trying to say 'it's none of my business', then don't start the conversation if you don't want to answer questions on it.

You should heed your own advice. My personal life is none of your business unless I choose to make it so by spouting off about it here. Period.

the particulars of my company and what i do is classified, and will remain that way unless and until you procure my services. if you REALLY want to know, i'll provide you with the particulars as soon as your check clears.

That is utter, complete BS when you are asked to describe in simple, concrete terms what is meant by providing "security solutions" to the prison system in my state.  This is exactly why I do not as a rule answer your questions nor believe much of what you say.

Have a nice day in your LaLa Land, crazy.   

 i'll give you one LITTLE HINT...

i hold the patent on a little device that reads a fingerprint while scanning the retina. the difference is, the fingerprint scan also checks for a pulse, to assure that the digit is still attached to a living person.

THAT'S ONE security solution i have provided.

you gotta pay for the rest.

any OTHER questions?

It doesn't take much but a google search to discover that this technology is widespread. Maybe you need a new fairy tale. It's hard to keep up these days.

 yes, it is widespread...

and i get a little hunk of each and every one.

why don't you buy one and make me richer?

mine IS the only one that checks for a pulse in real time.

or... why don't you design a BETTER one, and put me out of business?

I wouldn't want to put you out of business crazy. I fear the loss of an income, and with it the ability to afford internet service, would be enough to break your last fragile connection to the outside world.

 if you think you are capable, j. but IF YOU WERE..... you'd be in the business already. but you aren't.

in fact, i'm not sure you are in ANY business. perhaps your PARENTS are rich...

No, your not sure I'm in any business. And likewise, I'm not sure you are, or much care. As I have stated in my previous post, you can be whoever you want on this computer. That's not important, it's what you say that matters.

In that department, I know exactly who you are.

 if it's WHAT YOU SAY that matters, you are a nobody, because you say nothing.

speaking with all the urgency and eloquence of a tub thumping baboon. saying nothing while typing much jibberish. i will not even demean the word TROLL by tagging you with it.

and no, you are not capable of giving me ANY competition in any area of expertise. as you have none.

you have proven yourself to be rude, you have never been anything but crude in your manners and mannerisms, and you constantly show yourself to be socially unacceptable. but you ARE fun to best.

crazycajun:

 if it's WHAT YOU SAY that matters, you are a nobody, because you say nothing.

speaking with all the urgency and eloquence of a tub thumping baboon. saying nothing while typing much jibberish. i will not even demean the word TROLL by tagging you with it.

and no, you are not capable of giving me ANY competition in any area of expertise. as you have none.

you have proven yourself to be rude, you have never been anything but crude in your manners and mannerisms, and you constantly show yourself to be socially unacceptable. but you ARE fun to best.

 

Talking to yourself, about yourself again, eh, cajun?  Sure sign of dementia, even though you got it right in your description.

Have a nice day in your funny little LaLa Land, crazy.

 you and your partner, jman share some common maladies...

A.D.D. and O.C.D.

hmmmm.... great (small) minds think alike, or alter-ego.

quite a toss up.

Got quite angry didn't you crazy? What is it they say about the truth hurts? Some of those things you said about me are not nice at all. I will accept your apology and forgive you. I know you can't control what you type sometimes. (That is the only logical explanation for some of your rants).

Calm down. Just calm down. Everything will be alright.

 no, jman. i didn't get angry, and if you are waiting for me to apologise, it will be a LOOOOOONNNNNG WAIT.

i don't care about whether or not you want me to apologise, i'm not apologising for telling you the truth.

i'm ALWAYS in control of what i type. unlike you. i don't get mad THAT easily, especially when pestered by peons like you.

your off topic speils are just minor inconveniences, nothing more. all they accomplish is letting the world know that you are a tub-thumping moron, and entertainment.

contrary to your wishes, i'm not leaving till my job is done. so live with it.

pfffft...

you are dismissed

Oh no, I know you don't get mad that easily. I know that when you type in capitol letters your really not mad, just enthusiastic. I know your really a calm, collected guy, who just has a point of view, and is more than willing to listen to another's point of view. I know that when you insult people, your just expressing yourself in the only way you know how.

I understand.

By the way, how much longer will this job keep you in Michigan? It must have been tough having to miss the Mardi Gras.

 who says i missed mardi gras?

getting mad is not my usual operation, getting YOU mad is entertainment. i type in capital letters to emphasize my point, not to express my emotions. 

i do have a point of view, which i KNOW to be correct. (see how that works) i am willing to listen to other's point of view, sometimes. but not always. i don't have to listen to the point of view of those who oppose simply for the sport of opposition. in fact, i don't HAVE to listen to ANY other point of view. you can certainly have one, but it doesn't really matter to me. just as my point of view apparently doesn't matter to you.

what you haven't noticed is that i don't insult EVERYBODY as you do, just you, insane, and true/false.

there isn't anyone you HAVEN'T insulted. i insult because YOU DESERVE IT. not because i have nothing else to say and no point of view to express.

i could be here another four years, but fret not. this computer works from all over the world. i don't have to BE in michigan to post here, as true/false has proven time and again. as long as those who hire me here, both public and private, are paying the bills, and as long as the state of michigan is making it tough to do business here, i'll be here.

fix those problems, and i'll go away. not until.

I would miss you. You serve as a good bad example.

To use a sports metaphor, every bat needs a baseball.

 i know you would... tell me.. do you whisper my name in your sleep?

do you snuggle up to your pillow and pretend it's me?

that WOULD explain the strange love/hate thing you have going.