Michigan Votes Forum

Introduced in the Senate on June 12, 2007

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I wonder if the idijit has given any thought to the mercury contamination that all those neons will bring....... Makes you wonder who ties these peoples shoes in the morning. Where o where is that part time legislative body?

These bandwagon jumpers never heard of the law of unintended consequences. They are all trying to get on the "green" express regardless of the facts. Maybe they own a hazardous waste clean up company, at least you could understand it then. This is more stupid legislation from the folks that brought you all the other stupid legislation. At least that is the one constant in lansingistan.

We already have a part time legislature. They just get paid as if they were full time. In session 3 days per week! How many weeks are they out of session for the various breaks? 20?

I've heard that these bulbs don't last nearly as long as advertised. Apparently, they tend to short out due to the cheap lighting fixtures in place in most homes.

Why is it the governments &@)(*&*( business what kind of light bulbs I use? Let's say you tree huggers get this excrement passed. Are you going to let the jack booted thugs go door to door to search for these killer light bulbs? Are you going to build more jails for folks that don't obey? Are you going to search everybody at all borders to make sure that they aren't smuggling the old killer bulbs? How much power and control are the little minded twits willing to give to the state to further their silly little agendas? Wake Up Sheeple.

"Why is it the governments &@)(*&*( business what kind of light bulbs I use? [the answer to that question is that IT ISN'T. but that won't stop them from trying to MAKE IT their business.] Let's say you tree huggers get this excrement passed. Are you going to let the jack booted thugs go door to door to search for these killer light bulbs? [yes, they are.] Are you going to build more jails for folks that don't obey? [no, they won't, they will let violent criminals out to put us in. jennie has already done it.] Are you going to search everybody at all borders to make sure that they aren't smuggling the old killer bulbs? [of course they are, that gives the jack booted thugs in blue more power to pry into our lives.] How much power and control are the little minded twits willing to give to the state to further their silly little agendas? [all of it they can.] Wake Up Sheeple. [they won't. they are happy chewing government issued fodder in a government issued pen.]

Oh wait we can't do that there wouldn't be any government left of course with this type of ignorance coming out of lansing that would probably be for the best.Instead of a law why not give a tax insentive for people who use less than a certain amount of electricity per person or the lower your rate of electric use the cheaper tax you pay per kilowatt.I mean to send someone to jail for wanting a higher light bill would be like saying everyone who goes on vacation and waste gas should go to jail it's none of their business.I am all for saving the enviroment and perserving it for my children to enjoy but not at the expense of my personal freedom.I hope the ballot box next time around reflects what these morons are purposing send em packing.

Perhaps Sen Gleason should stick his finger in a light socket so that he can see the light! Or, perhaps he should stop smoking whatever it is he smokes and come back down to earth. What a shame that taxpayers money has to go to pay this idiot!

is a DEMOCRAT, that explains a lot.

Is Sen. John Gleason nuts? How about the mercury that is in florescent bulbs? Should we set up a disposal system for them on his property?

The Government has gone absolutely nuts. THere was legislation last week that would have a 1 year mandatory Jail sentence if a copy pulled you over and if you refused to give them a strand of your hair for drug testing. What we need is legislation to eliminate all legislation at every level of the government to eliminate unconstitutional laws and statutes.

The Government has gone absolutely nuts. THere was legislation last week that would have a 1 year mandatory Jail sentence if a cop pulled you over and if you refused to give them a strand of your hair for drug testing. What we need is legislation to eliminate all legislation at every level of the government to eliminate unconstitutional laws and statutes.

it's called the constitution. and if you are allowing the legislators to violate it, and then re-electing them to violate it some more, then YOU are part of the problem.

go for it

Thank goodness. He cares about children and young people that will be stuck with the future that we create. I support him.

Yours is a fine example of why voting franchise should not be granted willy-nilly. Do you remember the ozone fiasco? The primary refrigerant in home appliances and auto air conditioning, R-12, was banned. Chloroflorcarbons, out. A new set of product regulations were promulgated and new laws were written. Social policy was changed. And based on what? Another wacko's assertion that people (read "Americans") were ruining the planet with their modern lifestyles. Then some smart guy pointed out that the "holes" in the ozone -- at the poles -- were identified during early expeditions to the regions. It turned out that the whole thing was just another enviro-hoax. How about acid rain? When I was a kid, we were told that if people (read, "Americans") didn't change what they were doing and go back to living in caves or some such nonsense, the plants would be burned, the lakes would die and even the paint on our cars would be ruined by the horrible acid rain. Canada went nuts over the issue and there was talk about it suing the U.S. over all the acid-laden clouds floating across its border. Then some smart guy pointed out that rainwater is naturally acidic and the lie was put to that enviro scare tactic, too. The brown spotted owl needs old growth forests; South American deforestation; the death of the oceans; the coming ice age (which was the '70s incarnation of global warming -- advocated by the same dunderheads that now claim we're heating things up). The list of lies goes on. Man-induced global warming is just the latest fad, the latest myth, the latest lie that is used to attack the U.S, its citizens and their lifestyle. Let me give you a few real factors that drive climate change: - The earth shifts on its axis over time, causing changes in the levels of ultraviolet radiation getting through the earth's atmosphere at various latitudes. - The earth's orbit varies from severely elliptical to nearly round over millenia. This results in a huge shift in UV levels (heat energy) and also causes drastic climatic change. - The level of solar activity itself is another huge variable. These are some of the reasons why the earth has gone through major warming periods and several major cooling periods over its geologic history. The latter were called "ice ages." What is that...like, fifth-grade science? (Jeff Foxworthy ought to do a show.) If you want to burn mercury-laden florescents in your house because it makes you feel good, fine. I don't. I like a nice, warm incandescent that doesn't require a call to the local haz-mat crew if I drop one. The bottom line is that the earth is, has always been and will always be dynamic. There are global climatic trends. There are regional climatic shifts. And your choice of lightbulb is a non-factor in both. Gleason is simply another politician who is trying to make hay while the dummies remain ripe for picking. Nothing more. Jim Arvada, CO

for the special disposal that these bulbs require due to the mercury that is in them? they are florescent bulbs, and they contain a small amount of mercury. a small amount of mercury times thousands of bulbs equals a BIG PROBLEM. huge sums of money will have to be spent 'fixing' the mercury problem, where will it come from?

thanks again. i had the "holes in the ozone" explained a little differently, and it was sort of funny to see the looks on the faces of the government school indoctrinated when they found out the truth. ozone is ionized oxygen, it is created by lightning, mostly, and electric motors. it is NEGATIVELY CHARGED. the south pole is the negative end of a big magnet we call earth. as opposite charges attract, and LIKE charges REPEL, you wouldn't expect (unless you were governmentally schooled) to find negatively charged atoms at the negative end of a magnet. the liberals in the room were sputtering all over themselves at that one. thanks again.

This bill would outlaw incandescent light bulbs for all purposes. That means, among other things, no replacement headlights, brake lights or turn signals for your existing car after 2011. Oh well, we really don't need to drive after dark, and no one uses turn signals, anyway.

I'll stock pile them and sell them in the new black market. What are these idiots doing? It's time for a part time legislature, maybe two days a year or something. I have never seen more useless bull come out of one group in my life.

This kind of nonsense just kills me. Banning light bulbs.... Get to a REAL issue: overpopulation. There is simply too many people on this planet, and coupled with the "consumer society" mentality, means a lot of waste.

...there's an idea. Only, wait...it's already been thought of. In fact, ALL this tripe is trumped up to flush pu$$ies into the nets that enthusiastic co-conspirators have erected around this BS legislation. I'm talking about the entire gamut of enviro, pharmaceutical and health-food bull$hip that the democrastinistas are foisting off with their willing and wholly-owned subsidiary's assistance ("our" media). "Vaaaast right-wing conspiracy" my left nusticle! Get a grip and vote these anu$clowns out...every stinking time they raise their heads! Jeff in Indiana

is our best friend. These guys are idiots and need to go.

Without the lightbulbs at least you will not be able to see the over population! ahhh.... That is why they are doing it, not so GE can make millions more by having china make the trash that China is famous for

you would have to sell the bulbs on a dark street corner and most likely have yourself nailed in a lightbulb sting,,.. with swat surrounding you

toss them in the lakes and rivers, that will get even with the fools

only 9 years left to reverse global warming....

only 9 years left to reverse global warming....

tick, tock

reduce global warming, then why not MANDATE it? It's logical. Plain and simple.

:)

You don't pussy foot around.

nature is to waste natural resources. It's not a sin, it's our nature. Take a long look in the mirror. Then get over it. Smart leaders legislate to work around flaws in human nature .

Take a class.

Now your a criminal if you use the wrong kind of light bulbs.......incredible!

unless you can swim REALLY well.

That would be a shame. What a waste of fresh water.

Hope our legislators take their kids, then look their kids in the eyes and take some bold action.

I think I have just about the longest (?) list of reasons why a ban on light bulbs is wrong

http://www.ceolas.net/#li2x  onwards....

There is of course a bigger point here too,  about consumer freedom      http://ceolas.net/#el30x

As far as consumers are concerned, they can decide for themselves if any running cost savings in buying this-or-that product is worth it for them, when they compare with advantages that inefficient versions always have, or they would not be so popular (whether, say, fast heat from fan/bar heaters, bright and broad spectrum light from light bulbs, or contrast and viewing angle advantages of plasma screens).

In contrast, the 2 main issues for society and therefore politicians to consider are
1. The depletion of energy resources
2. The emission of CO2 and other greenhouse gases

The depletion of energy resources (including "wasting electricity") is itself not a problem that needs regulation:
1. Renewable energy sources already exist, and are increasingly deployed.
2. As finite sources become scarcer, their price rises, reducing such consumption anyway, and the choice of renewable energy resources becomes more natural on the market place. Taxes or subsidies can of course speed up the effect before then.

Carbon emissions do seem to be a problem:
1. Whether or not global warming would be taking place anyway, the current general consensus is that carbon emissions aggravate the effect.
2. As an overall principle, if any man made ecological disturbances can practically be limited or contained, that is a desirable course of action.
3. Unlike with energy depletion, energy markets do not themselves react to increasing carbon emissions.

Carbon emissions should therefore be the focus for politicians in legislation, involving any energy efficiency measures required - not the other way round.

The argument that
"Supply side carbon emission reduction is too slow and expensive, we must also act on consumption, banning products that don't meet defined efficiency standards"
doesn't hold up.

1. Because, as can be seen ( http://ceolas.net/#em1x onwards )  generation and distribution efficiency can be addressed in several ways, not all of which need take time, and some of which need organizational thinking, rather than money.

2. Because -if needed- appropriate taxation as described ( http://ceolas.net/#gg4x ) not only raises funds, it quickly limits and redirects consumption as required, with much more future adaptability regarding scope and application than bans.