Michigan Votes Forum

should remove all lead bearing pipes from under our cities and counties. perhaps the SOURCE OF THE LEAD IS THOSE PIPES, and not the apartments that have been the subject of lead abatement for twenty years.

Either is enough

but, Mr. Landlord, sir, lead can get into the soil from lead gas fumes especially if the property is in a high traffic area. Additionally, toddlers can bite through layers of paint. It is the older dwellings that are of the most concern, of course.

OR it can be tracked into the house then kicked up while cleaning the rugs, sweeping. It doesn't take a great deal of lead to affect a child.

in a society that includes more than JUST landlords.

in a society that includes more than JUST landlords.

a few posts. I believe I said: "Urban schools TEND to have lower MEAP scores. One factor, perhaps a significant one, is the number of parents that live in RENTALS in an urban district. They tend not to know the HISTORY of the house as well as an owner would. (LEAD, METH, etc.) It is important to our SOCIETY that these things be disclosed by landlords even though it will likely affect their business income." I didn't say everyone, now did I, Mr. Landlord, sir? Read carefully, and don't be a bully. It's very unbecoming. The scary thing is that we don't KNOW for sure how many kids are affected by lead, THAT'S WHY bills were passed to test kids, but while many kids are checked at checkups at a young age, there are many YOUNG school age children who are in school RIGHT NOW that have never been tested. The teacher down the hall was told the doctor wanted to test her 2 year old for lead, and she went ahead and had her 6 year old tested anyway, but that may be rare. As I said, KALAMAZOO COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT probably knows EXACTLY how many kids have lead issues and to what degree because they GO RIGHT TO THE SCHOOL. Give them a call. I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you or anyone else that would listen. I'd like to see all counties do this. I wonder how many affluent families with a large collection of THOMAS THE TRAIN have children affected by lead now. I'm talking about tendencies/patterns here, Mr. Landlord, not absolutes, so don't get all crazy and distort my words. When you've taught long enough you see patterns. Kids in newer homes aren't diagnosed in my experience. In my free time this summer if I can get those Kalamazoo numbers to you, I certainly will.

what it used to be. It's horrible.

get the figures on the miles of pipe that contain lead. shouldn't CITIES be held responsible if the lead in the landlord's ground is put there by the city? why just pick on landlords? why not get who is RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LEAD, not just who might have the money?

you don't mind putting word in my mouth. i am not, nor have i ever said i was a landlord. but i am against picking on a certain group of people because they might have money. now, teacher, it's up to the state to test for lead, or up to the parents to test for lead. if it's up to the state to test for lead, test for lead everywhere, especially where the state put it. if it's up to the parents to test for lead, then let the parents that want to, test, and those that don't, don't. it's not up to the state to tell parents what to do, especially if you can't properly distinguish the signs of lead exposure. it's up to YOU to know how many kids in YOUR class have been exposed to lead, just like it's up to you to know how many kids have had the measles.

For the edification of legitimate commentators and those who seek informed discussion here, the following is a list of bills introduced so far this session that address the lead contamination and poisoning issue: SB 174: Environmental protection; prohibited products; manufacture, sale, or exchange of toys with lead content in excess of amount permitted by federal regulation; prohibit. Amends 1978 PA 368 (MCL 333.1101 - 333.25211) by adding pt. 54B. Introduced 2/2007 – in committee (Natural Resources) --------------------------------- SB 509: Housing; landlord and tenants; lead-contaminated soil; require landlord notification to tenants. Amends 1978 PA 454 (MCL 554.631 - 554.641) by adding sec. 4a. Introduced 5/2007 – in committee (Judiciary) -------------------------- HB 4132: Environmental protection; prohibited products; certain lead-bearing consumer products; prohibit, or require labeling. Amends 1978 PA 368 (MCL 333.1101 - 333.25211) by adding pt. 54B. TIE BAR WITH: HB 4240'07, HB 4399'07 Introduced 1/2007 – Passed House 107-0 on 6/26/2007 - in Senate Health Policy Committee, 6/27/2007 ---------------------- HB 4240: Environmental protection; prohibited products; manufacture, sale, or exchange of toys with lead content in excess of amount permitted by federal regulation; prohibit. Amends 1978 PA 368 (MCL 333.1101 - 333.25211) by adding pt. 54B. TIE BAR WITH: HB 4132'07, HB 4399'07 Introduced 2/2007 – Passed House 107-0 on 6/26/2007 - in Senate Health Policy Committee, 6/27/2007 -------------------------- HB 4399: Environmental protection; prohibited products; lunch boxes containing lead; prohibit sale. Amends 1978 PA 368 (MCL 333.1101 - 333.25211) by adding sec. 5480. TIE BAR WITH: HB 4132'07, HB 4240'07 Introduced 3/2007 – Passed House 106-1 on 6/26/2007 - in Senate Health Policy Committee, 6/27/2007 ---------------------------- HB 4936: Health; other; Michigan childhood lead poisoning prevention and control commission; remove sunset. Amends sec. 5474a of 1978 PA 368 (MCL 333.5474a). Introduced 6/19/2007 – Passed House 103-4 on 6/26/2007 - in Senate Health Policy Committee, 6/27/2007 -------------------- The problem of lead poisoning has been recognized in Michigan and elsewhere for 35 years. It is high time we started doing something about it.

Question? When was the first BILL introduced to address this issue? Thank you for sharing which bills have been introduced this session. SEEKING more facts.

“i am not, nor have i ever said i was a landlord.” That’s simply amazing, Skippy. You have claimed here to have been and done just about everything else. But, perhaps miracles do happen.?

and suggesting solutions. I expect that kind of support from the state. I am not picking on landlords, nor beating up on people with money. I expect landlords to do what is right even if it's not the most profitable thing. Perhaps you are not a landlord, but these lead bills seem to be for the common good, and I'd hope that even if a citizen was not a special interest group (say...landlord...with money and influence) that their needs would be considered and protected. That's all I'M saying.:) I hope that my message is more clear now.

Mind my own business, do my job, that sort of thing???? Don't make waves. Sorry, that's just not me. I'm not that kind of girl. lol Guess I'm more like 'All The King's Men' Huey Long, Governor and Senator of Lousiana. And I'd guess that I know more about how one gets lead poisoning and the signs than you do. Just a guess, though. Be a follower? Not a chance. I'm a terrible follower, so I guess that leaves me no other option.

There's nothing wrong with being one. There's good money in it. I just wouldn't do it now with all of the METH, etc. Not in MI.

YOU said you elected a leader... that would make you a FOLLOWER. i said that i elected a REPRESENTATIVE. and that i was not opposed to giving that representative some leadership when they needed it. YOUR post that YOU required a leader is proof that you are, in fact, a follower. if you were a leader, you wouldn't need an elected leader to 'lead the way for you', you would 'already know the way'. you are supposed to be a CITIZEN. you are supposed to MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES ABOUT YOUR LIFE. it is NOT THE PROPER ROLE OF GOVERNMENT TO MAKE THOSE CHOICES FOR YOU.

how DOES one get lead poisoning? how many kids IN YOUR CLASSROOM RIGHT NOW have lead poisoning? you, in your informed capacity as teacher, haven't yet answered that question. it is helpful to know the extent of a problem to be able to give it priority when solving it. it is also helpful to know the signs of a problem so that the problem can be identified when it occurs. how many kids in your classrooms have lead poisoning? ten? twenty? all of them? ANY OF THEM? how many of them drink out of pipes that contain lead? who put those pipes there?

you interested in lead issues too? my my my... you ARE multi-faceted. you are also paranoid. you take it that any opposition must be from one person. and that is a good thing in our opinion. as it shows your character flaws perfectly. keep up the good work.

that places 'unfunded mandates' on the public, and seeks to place blame onto the peoplefor things that the state has done, protect this group? how is it the landlord's fault if the state put the lead pipes into the ground? you are blaming the wrong 'special interest group'.

you haven't answered my questions.

answer your questions. that's not the liberal way.

Protect citizens, especially children. About time.

Pass it.

Maybe companies move because of the quality of the worker. If it's in the soil, families SHOULD aware of lead. Not informing a renter about lead is like not informing them about a live electrical wire sticking out of the ground. It's neglegent.

can't pass a lead bill.