Michigan Votes Forum

an ORV CAUSE it's rider to trespass? is there some MAGIC SPELL that it casts on the poor hapless driver? why do you blame the ORV for your trespass problems? SHAME ON YOU!!!

voo-doo that you do that causes them to trespass on your property. maybe it's the fact that you LET THEM DO IT that causes them to come on REPEATEDLY and do it again. maybe IT IS YOUR FAULT and you just won't admit it.

we CAN'T blame the poor unfortunate criminal. that would be UN-LIBERAL of us. that would border on... (dare i say it...) CONSERVATIVE. this is just a bad case of sowing what you reap. get over it. you let them get away with it. you put up with the poor level of service from your public servants. you even bought more land for them to traipse around on. very thoughtful of you, i'd say... i'm sure they thank you every time they ride around on your property. if the ORV'S tear up the ground so amazingly, why not just follow their tracks back to where they came from, then send the cops back there. simple, huh? why didn't YOU think of that???

Michigan Senate; please get this bill passed. It’s a great bill 1. Gives the boost we need in the northern counties of MI 2. Passed the MI house 107-0 3. Majority of the people are in favor 4. Jenny said she would sign this bill if it comes across her desk Let’s go ORV riders, email your senator and get this bill passed. We have the numbers; also it's going to really help out our fellow Michiganders up north. Also any other rider from out of state let our people know that you're in favor this bill and will come up here spending your dollars in MI. Most of us hard working people will welcome you with open arms. Don't worry about MR. Grumpy were not all like him.

ORV riders are far from a majority of the population, amounting to only about 3% of Michigan folks. That's a teensy-weensy minority. The problem is, these expensive toys of the minority elite have a hugely disproportionate negative impact on the the places they run. ORVs do not bring prosperity or wealth to the areas they visit. They bring noise, pollution, litter, trespass and torn up earth. They deprive residents of peace and quiet. This is a bad bill.

everyone that buys one automatically rides it onto your property. if, as you say, there are SO FEW OF THEM, it shouldn't be THAT HARD for the cops to find the ones riding on your property. oh, wait... THEY CAN'T DO THAT!!!! it would be against the chief's directives. gotta save the taxpayer's money in the little burg you live in. tell me where you live, i'm an ex cop, and i'll find the little miscreants, and i'll only bill you a few thousand dollars to do it. whaddaya say? you haven't made your case, you have just 'cut-and-pasted' your way into a corner that you can't whine your way out of. the FIRST way ORV's bring prosperity is to the person who is SAVING THEIR MONEY TO BUY ONE. the SECOND way ORV's bring prosperity is to the person who is selling them. the THIRD way ORV's bring prosperity is to the person who sells the owner gas, helmets, jackets, boots, you know, all that gear they need to be prepared to ride. the FOURTH way ORV's bring prosperity is to the person who maintains them. the FIFTH way ORV's bring prosperity is to the community that they serve whenever they provide NECESSARY SERVICES such as search and rescue, emergency evacuation, and ice rescue. this is why EVERY POLICE DEPARTMENT IN MICHIGAN IS GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE AS SOON AS JENNIE GETS OUT OF OFFICE AND WE CAN FINALLY AFFORD THEM. now, what are you going to say when your local cops are 'tearing up the streets' on ORV'S?

ORVs bring prosperity and wealth to places they run over is a myth. What ORVs surely bring is noise, pollution and ripped up ground, along with increased incidence of trespass, litter and vandalism. This is a bad bill.

This bill is being held up at the Committee Level by the Chairman Patricia Birkholz, State Senator, 24th District. I read with interest all the comments about this bill. I understand the frustrations on both sides. People who ride their machines on other peoples property are violating the land owners rights. This is wrong and should not be tolerated. But isn't this happening today without HB4323? The fact is a bill has been introduced that by reading these comments has both support and opposition. The people being paid by us the taxpayers are not doing their jobs. A hearing must be held on this bill that could result in a compromise that could benefit both sides of this issue. Doing nothing is what our representatives seem to do best. Put a law on the books that has some teeth, opens up some privildeges to responsible riders, that would benefit some communities that are in dire need in bad economic times. There is a whole lot of who shot John in these comments. The past is just that the past. Where do we go from here. Direct your anger and frustration to the people in Lansing. The ones who wait until the 12th hour to do everything but give themselves a raise. It's their job. If it's too tough then let them resign.

Proposes to expand the territory that ORVs can run over. It will, if passed expand and increase the problems with noise, pollution, litter, trespass, torn up ground and vandalism that come with ORV traffic. For what? Pennies in some merchant's pocket. ORVs don't bring prosperity and wealth to the communities they run over. That is a myth. Some mention has been made of stiffer penalties for certain violations being included in this bill. So what? The laws are not adequately enforced now. There is no reason they will be better enforced in the future, even as as passage of this bill would expands the scope and volume of violations. The lack of providing for funding to support increased enforcement in this bill says it all. There is no real will or intent to see enforcement. This is a bad bill on every level. It should die in committee.

1. not every ORV rider will trespass on your property. 2. not every police department is as inept as yours is. 3. maybe if you called them out when you hear that awful noise of every stick of nature being ripped from mother earth, they'd have a chance of catching the little miscreants. 4. if the police department CAN'T OR WON'T do anything about it, do something yourself. go out there and confront the little bastids, tell them they are trespassing, and tell them to leave. in other words, take some responsibility. don't just accuse others of things they haven't done. i'm curious, which town do you live in? if everybody else can ride on your property, maybe MORE people can. i'm gonna go there and set up a ticket booth at wherever they are coming onto your property, and split the prosperity with you.

Blaming the victim of abuse by ORV, we see. Here are the facts: Where ORVs run, there is noise, pollution, litter, torn up ground, trespass and vandalism. There is little enforcement of trespass and related laws in most Michigan jurisdictions. What enforcement there is has failed to halt or effectively control the abuse. ORVs do not bring prosperity or wealth to the places they run. What they do bring is headaches, trashed property and conflict for ordinary citizens who want to enjoy their property and neighborhoods in peace and harmony with good neighbors and good visitors, alike. This is a bad bill. Let it die in committee.

they don't destroy the land unless the riders are allowed free riegn. just because your jurisdiction has piss poor performance from it's police department that does NOT mean that it is acceptable to the rest of us. you accept it as the norm. why?

blaming EVERY ORV rider for the ones who ride illegally on your property. you are also making sure I don't have the right to ride on the side of roads that i helped pay for, because you are bitter about some trespassers. remember, they are PUBLIC roads, and i have a right to ride on them. they are NOT private roads, and if you wish, you can have yourself disconnected from the public road system. all you have to do is buy MORE land, build your own roads, and voila'. your problems are solved, except for that nagging little problem you seem to have with law enforcement not doing their job. i keep telling you, say which town it is, and i'm SURE that the level of service will improve.

Im so so tired of people who live in lansing,detroit or flint area deciding what happens here in NORTHERN michigan...For those of us who actually live up north and not just vacation in our BACK YARDS.. there is next to nothing... What little bit of tourism that we get helps...even if it is pennies in a vendors pocket...because we are the vendors...And for every person who says the tourism is a myth...Its not...Look at snowmobiling...the shear income from that is HUGE..and supports most small buisness

But the idea that ORVs will bring wealth or prosperity to any area is. What ORVs bring is noise, pollution, torn up ground, trespass problems, litter, vandalism, and a general decline in quality of life for residents and tourists alike. This is a bad bill. (And I'm not from Lansing or Detroit, either.)

I must agree actually that it will not bring wealth and prosperity...But will it help yes...You can not even deny that it will. Furthermore, the people in ogemaw county dont mind it. And not every atv enthusiast is going to destroy every bit of land they ride on...In fact I would think that you would want this bill to pass and keep them ON seasonal roads and off trails in the wilderness.

I ride sleds all over Michigan and can go to lots of different places to eat, buy gas, and sight see. I am also an avid ORV user and have less than half the benefits of a snowmobile rider. I would love to have the opportunity to ride my bike just up to the gas station and re-fill. Ohh by the way the people complaining about the noise --- Obviously nobody in your areas ride sleds because my sled is twice as load as my bike.

It is about expanding the running range of ORVs. ORVs do not bring wealth or prosperity to the areas they run over. The bring noise, pollution, torn up ground, litter, trespass and vandalism problems. They diminish the quality of life for residents in those areas, and the quality of experience for other visitors in those areas. This is a bad bill.

a snowmobile IS an ORV. it's an OFF ROAD VEHICLE. this bill covers riding one on the SIDE of the road. not your property. this bill WILL NOT give riders permission to trespass. i'd rather you rode your snowmobiles down the side of the road than across my fields and through my ditches.

You've stupidly revealed your ignorance. The Michigan DNR says this about ORVs and Snowmobiles: “The following are not considered ORVs by Michigan law: registered snowmobiles; …” This bill does not address snowmobiles. It proposes to broaden the range over which ORVs can run. ORVs do not bring prosperity and wealth to areas where they run. What they do bring is noise, pollution, ripped up ground, litter, and trespass and vandalism problems. They diminish the quality of life for residents and the quality of experience for other visitors in the areas they run over. This bill is a bad piece of legislation.

same things can be said about pickup trucks. and cars. and horses. and two feet. you SEEM to be blaming the VEHICLE FOR THE PROBLEM. by the way, i don't CARE that michigan law differentiates between ORV'S and SNOWMOBILES. both are designed to be driven OFF ROAD, the fact that ONE CAN be driven on the road (an orv) and one CAN'T be driven on the road (the snowmobile) doesn't change their basic function one little bit. i'm almost beginning to believe that YOU are a snomobile owner. one of those that trespasses on MY property. hmmm...

so ingrained into the michigander psyche that EVERYONE must do it?

But I do observe that noise, pollution, torn up ground, litter and trespass and vandalism problems are observed to occur in greater concentration where ORVs run than where they don't. Expanding the range over which ORVs run invariably expands the noise, pollution, torn up ground, litter, trespass and vandalism that runs with them. ORVs are not a boon to the areas they run over. They are a bane. This bill is bad legislation.

Posted by an evident ORV fan: “by the way, i don't CARE that michigan law differentiates between ORV'S and SNOWMOBILES.” Isn’t it interesting, that boastful confession of not caring about Michigan law? Well, that’s the problem with ORVs. Where they run, they bring noise, pollution, torn up ground and problems associated with "we don't care about the law" behavior like litter, trespass and vandalism. This bill seeks to expand the range in which ORVs are allowed to run and bring their noise, pollution, torn up ground, litter, trespass and vandalism along for the joy ride. ORVs don’t bring prosperity or wealth to areas they run over. They bring a diminished quality of life for residents and other visitors who enjoy less intrusive pursuits and wish to exist in peace and harmony with neighbors and others. This bill is a bad piece of legislation.

bring the same things?

own a snowmobile?

bring prosperity to any areas they run over either, unless of course, you are in the business of selling, repairing, or gassing up snowmobiles, or keeping the riders warm, fed, rested, and entertained.

It is about ORVs. Please stay on topic.

they are DIFFERENT from each other. why? they are both ridden by drivers who OCCASIONALLY break the law. you have a trespassing problem with ORV'S, I have a trespassing problem with snowmobiles. what's the difference? the state differentiates between them, and makes DECISIONS that ORV'S are bad, but snowmobiles are good. that COULD be because we have nine months of winter here, and everybody HAS a snowmobile. in some parts of the state, everybody HAS an ORV as well. that means that in SOME parts of the state, SOME people ARE ALREADY PROSPEROUS ENOUGH TO AFFORD BOTH. other parts of the country are that prosperous as well. why not invite some of them here to ride their snowmobiles and ORV'S? the ground they 'tear up' will be grown back over in a month or so anyway. nothing's permanent. and besides, if you get enough money from the tourists, you can soon afford to fire barney fife and hire yourself a REAL policeman.

ORVs do not bring prosperity or weath into the areas they run over. They bring noise, pollution, torn up ground, litter, trespass violations, vandalism, and conflict. In so doing, they degrade the quality of life for residents and other visitors who wish to enjoy the surroundings in peace, quiet and harmony with others. Expanding the range of ORVs is a bad idea. This bill is bad legislation.

snowmobiles BRING PROSPERITY and hope and peace and quiet and happiness and joy, but ORV'S DON'T? one has wheels, one has tracks and skis. other than that, what's the difference? you obviously believe that ORV'S are only purchased by criminals, and snowmobiles are only purchased by upstanding citizens. you need to check your property in the winter, and discover that the people who trespass in the summer on ORV'S also trespass in the winter on snowmobiles. or have you figured that out yet??? obviously not.

It is not about snowmobiles. Stay on topic, please. This bill proposes to broaden the range that ORVs can run over in Michigan. Where ORVs run they bring noise, pollution, torn up ground, litter, problems with trespass, problems with vandalism. They do not bring wealth or prosperity to the areas they run over. What the do bring is a diminished quality of life for residents of those places, a degraded environment, degraded experiences for other visitors, and conflict. This is a bad bill.

ORV'S to operate about SIX FEET more space than they do now. it's called a roadside. that's the ONLY place this bill authorizes. it doesn't authorize ORV operators to trespass, nor does it allow them to litter, curse, spit on your sidewalk, or smell bad in public. it just lets them use the side of the road. what's your beef with that? seeing as since you won't do anything about your beef with the tresspassers or the cops that aren't worth a hoot.

'slightly specialized off road vehicle.' nothing more. it is ON topic, as you seem determined to treat them differently. you have problems with ORV riders, i have problems with snowmobile riders. same problem, different season. i'm handling my problem differently. my police department doesn't want me talking bad about them when they don't arrest the trespassers, so they DO. which police department can't get their heads out of their asses? fill us in. i'd enjoy ripping on them for their ineptitude, corruption and graft.

and go hug your tree. let the rest of us that want to have fun alone. You may even like riding if you tried it. Probably not though, you sound like one of those folks that thinks they will live forever if they eat tofu, never drink and never smell a cig or cigar burning. Let me know how that works out for you. This would be fine except that your kind is never happy until you suck every bit of enjoyment out of life for all of us. Even if your miserable existance enables you to live 5 more years, it ain't worth it. No friends, no fun? Pititful. I'll take a four wheeler, a few bud lights after the ride and a good cigar.

about the four wheeler, the ride, the beer, i prefer guinness. all the way up until you get to the cigar... never developed the habit... i've always been told that "there is nothing like the smell of a good cigar"... but burning rubber comes awful close. so, you enjoy one for me. happy riding.. crazycajun.

giving an ORV rider six feet on both sides of the road WHY? maybe if you did, they wouldn't have to trespass on your property.

But ORV riding is not having fun alone. The machines are noisy. They bring pollution, torn up ground, litter, and problems with vandalism and trespass where they run. ORVs bring intrusion and conflict. These nasty effects fall invariably and heavily on people who only want to be left alone to have their own fun and enjoyment without impinging on anyone else. Their quality of life is diminished as a result of ORVs running over the area in which they live or recreate. This bill seeks to expand the territory over which ORVs can run. It is in an insult to the vast majority of Michigan citizens who wish to live in peace, quiet and harmony with their surroundings and neighbors. This bill is a bad legislative proposal.

Blaming the victim of trespass by ORVs for the crime that has been committed. Shame on you, ORV Fan. Or, perhaps, thank you for revealing yourself. Your attitude is one of the strongest arguments against this pernicious bill.

go again. blaming ORV riders for the lack of effective law enforcement in michigan, especially in the town you live in. call the sheriff's office. call the state police... hell, get out there and hold the sons of bitches at gunpoint till they arrive. i'm blaming YOU for accepting piss poor performance by your police department and begrudging ORV riders a safe place to ride because of it. but you are SO STUPID you can't even get THAT right. hell, if you are dumb enough to allow the police AND the criminals to walk all over you, you deserve what you get.