Michigan Votes Forum

I do not condone murder. I do not condone taking the law into your own hands unless absolutely nessesary. I have brought many lifes into this world, No I do not like to see them same lifes taken out. Many young lifes are lost because kids get hold of guns and they go off, and a young life ends. Many innocent people get in the line of fire and are killed. And last you keep grouping all inmates as murders, robbers, rapists, and they are not. Good time credits ended when TIS came to be. It caused mass incareration and increased taxes that we have today. Murders who are sentence to life are not going to be paroled as you would have everyone believe.

No one has ever said to release murders. Non- violent inmates, elderly, and sickly inmates are who we have talked about. You are paranoid about any inmate being released. Yes maybe it would do you good to be imprisoned for some stupid law and see how you feel then.

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a murderer till he was released from prison. he was NON-VIOLENT according to your definitions.

you are fifty times more likely to die of a lightening strike in your home than you are of a 'gun accident'. you are forty three times more likely to die of a 'bathroom accident' than you are of a 'gun accident'. and you are two hundred seventy times more likely to die in a CAR ACCIDENT than a 'gun accident'. JUST SO'S YOU KNOW. despite what the democrats tell you, those are the true facts. look them up for yourself.

g-ma, i WORK in a prison. i see them every day. what 'magic' about being imprisoned is supposed to FORCE me to 'see their plight' so clearly? you just want me to experience the same stupidity that they have. it ain't gonna work. i'm not stupid. although sometimes i wonder about my sanity from arguing with you.

the democrat controlled legislature have given us ALL THE LAWS WE HAVE. each and every one. not a single one was written by governor engler and passed without their authorization. it just doesn't work that way. your point about YOUR favorite governor, by the way, is valid, she just doesn't want to do anything about the prison situation. she may TALK about it, but she hasn't DONE anything about it. she hasn't cut their budget, or built any new prisons to relieve the overcrowding. what she HAS done is endanger our citizens by releasing inmates back onto our streets. she has slapped her own justicial system in the face by saying that whatever sentence that was handed down, whatever justice, was too long, and she is going to shorten it. she has slapped every victim in the face by saying that they are less important than the poor inmates in the jails. you have done the same thing. you should be ashamed. and by the way, you DO condone murder. you excuse patrick selepack each and every time his name is brought up. you treat theives as angels, and rapists as 'repentant sinners'. you cavalierly dismiss any wrongdoing and lump them all into the pity party you have for yourself each and every day. you work tirelessly to see the most damaging thing possible come to fruititon. you honestly believe that NONE of the inmates you will so gleefully release upon polite society is EVER going to re-offend. then you call others PARANOID for pointing out the truth. how delusional are you? do you honestly think that THESE inmates will not offend simply because YOU, SO NOBLE AND PURE OF HEART AND INTENTIONS, let them out? how can you sleep at night knowing that within HOURS of being released, someone, somewhere in michigan is going to be VICTIMIZED who wouldn't have if these inmates weren't released? but you can excuse anything, as long as your precious inmates are allowed to return to your loving arms. all criminals get a PASS with you. none of what they did matters to you. you will pay any price, make any sacrifice, as long as your precious inmates find freedom. well, think of the others who will sacrifice when they do. think of the crime, the carnage, the death that will inevitably occur, as it has in the past each and every time inmates are released. you can't change history, even if you WISH it would go away. you can't change the facts, even if you wish those that bring them to you would go to prison for it. grandmother, you are an evil, and bitter woman, and those you brought into this world deserve better protection than you plan on giving them by releasing inmates. how are you going to feel when you find out that one of the lives you helped into this world was snuffed out by an inmate you released? it's GOING TO HAPPEN. just wait for it.

suicides, and tell me that, despite the fact that they had a gun handy to do it, that they wouldn't have found some other way to kill themselves if they hadn't? what are you going to do? repeal the law of gravity? over half of the people who commit suicide hang themselves... let's ban the force of gravity and end all the killings that it has caused.

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And your point is? I do not remember saying anything about suicide.

This guy is the shining example you give everytime. A mistake was made when he got out and you keep rubbing peoples noses in it time and time again. SHAME ON YOU..

You write a very descriptive delusional paper, but it in no way states the truth. If you want to keep paying high taxes and incarcerate more and more people and throw away the keys then quit your complaining. This bill has nothing to do with anything you write about.

Your point is????

Job security? In Michigan Correctional Workers are unionized, do you work in Michigan?

It is time for everyone to write the Reps. and Granholm, to act on this bill or rewrite it. I have even contacted Rep. Cushingberry.

Do I have plans to protect my self? I do not have a gun. I do have alarms and outside lights if an intruder comes on my property. I have three dogs that let me know if anything is around. I have a phone that I can dial 911 with. Alot of people come to my house I would never take the chance of shooting one of them by mistake I would not be able to live with that. I have many relatives that hunt animals. I asked them what would they do and most of them said the would keep the gun on them and call the police. You would just shoot them. This is vigilantism,isn't it?

As the tax deadline looms today, Michigan families are standing in line to send our tax dollars to pay for the war in Iraq - with huge trade-offs here at home that hit our families, taxpayers and children hard. The Bush administration, John McCain and right-wing members of Congress, while claiming they are against taxes, are spending our tax dollars on Iraq with serious trade-offs here at home. A study by National Priorities Project shows Michigan taxpayers will pour $13.9 billion dollars into the Iraq War this year alone! That number is rising every day. It's time to call the war in Iraq what it is: a massive tax on American families, taxpayers and our children. Here in Michigan we have poured billions of dollars and many troops into President Bush's endless war. The Iraq war has entered its 6th year and surpassed the tragic milestone of 4,000 troop deaths, yet President Bush would keep our troops there indefinitely and U.S. Senator John McCain says he is "fine with" keeping our men and women in Iraq for 100 years. We urge you to go to http://progressmichigan.org/iraqtax and send a message that you want your tax dollars to be invested here at home on healthcare, schools, affordable housing and a strong future. Please stand up and fight the "Iraq tax."

Many of us have.Has he replied back to you? I have never got a reply back...

2007 House Bill 4348 (Appropriations: 2007-2008 Corrections budget ) Public Act 124 of 2007 Introduced by Rep. Alma Smith on February 28, 2007, the executive recommendation for the Fiscal Year (FY) 2007-2008 Department of Corrections budget. This appropriates $2.001 billion in gross spending, compared to $1.940 billion, which was the FY 2006-2007 amount enrolled in 2006. Of this, $1.932 billion will come from the general fund (funded by actual state tax revenues), compared to the FY 2006-2007 amount of $1.858 billion. Note: Gov. Jenifer Granholm’s executive budget recommendations are premised on the legislature adopting a 2 percent tax on services which along with other tax increases and a proposed reduction in business taxes represents a net tax hike of approximately $1 billion. Passed in the House (59 to 50) on June 28, 2007. [Vote Details and Comments] Received in the Senate on July 17, 2007. Passed in the Senate (24 to 14) on September 6, 2007, to send the Department of Corrections budget back to the House "stripped" of all actual appropriations, and $100 “placeholders” in their place. These and some changes in the remaining “boilerplate” language prescribing policies the department must follow establish “points of difference” with the Senate version, the presence of which makes them subjects for negotiation between the bodies. This vote is basically a procedural method of launching negotiations to work out the differences between the House and Senate budgets. [Vote Details and Comments] Received in the House on September 6, 2007, to concur with a Senate-passed version of the bill. The vote sends the bill to a House-Senate conference committee to work out the differences. Failed in the House (0 to 107) on September 6, 2007. [Vote Details and Comments] Received in the House on September 11, 2007. Passed in the House (64 to 45) on October 29, 2007, the House-Senate conference report for the Fiscal Year 2007-2008 Department of Corrections budget. This appropriates $2.078 billion in gross spending, compared to $1.940 billion, which was the FY 2006-2007 amount enrolled in 2006. Of this, $1.996 billion will come from the general fund (funded by actual state tax revenues), compared to the FY 2006-2007 amount of $1.858 billion. The budget closes four prison facilities for net savings of around $50 million. [Vote Details and Comments] Received in the Senate on September 12, 2007. Passed in the Senate (35 to 3) on October 30, 2007, the House-Senate conference report for the Fiscal Year 2007-2008 Department of Corrections budget. This appropriates $2.078 billion in gross spending, compared to $1.940 billion, which was the FY 2006-2007 amount enrolled in 2006. Of this, $1.996 billion will come from the general fund (funded by actual state tax revenues), compared to the FY 2006-2007 amount of $1.858 billion. The budget closes four prison facilities for net savings of around $50 million. [Vote Details and Comments] Signed by Gov. Jennifer Granholm on October 31, 2007.

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What makes this even worse is our soldiers come home injuried and are not getting the care they need from our government.(it should be free for all of them) Mentally many of them need alot of help and are not gettting it. Five soldiers try to commit suicide everyday, in 2007- 121 did, in 2006-109 did, in 2005-89 did commit suicide. Each year the numbers continue to rise.How many families split up because one or both partners are sent to Iraq? This whole thing wrong. McCain will not get my vote.

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why are you opposed to a war that both hillary and obama voted FOR? you should be a GOOD LITTLE DEMOCRAT and realize that ANY opportunity to tax and spend is a GOOD opportunity to tax and spend. why are you wailing about high taxes anyway? both the candidates from YOUR party have promised to RAISE TAXES.

the state is closing FOUR ENTIRE PRISONS and it will only save about FIFTY MILLION. where is the OTHER FIFTY MILLION GONNA COME FROM? how many murderers are housed in those four prisons? they are all gonna be set free. i thought you said their would be NO NEGATIVE IMPACT? how is NOT HAVING A PLACE TO PUT INMATES NOT A NEGATIVE IMPACT? i guess they'll have to sleep two to a bunk from now on.

ever bitten anyone 'by mistake'? how do you go about shooting someone 'by mistake' anyway? the only way to do that is to have one of my friends PRETEND to be a home intruder, and break into my home in the wee hours of the morning, and be caught standing there, stealing my stuff. my friends KNOW BETTER. but the inmates don't. i've had several 'intrusions' and none of them were my friends playing tricks on me. all of them were honest to goodness HOME INTRUSIONS. none of the intruders were shot 'BY MISTAKE'. if you worry about shooting somebody 'by mistake' then you should really worry about giving someone the wrong medicine 'by mistake'. i lost several close friends that way. nurses killed them all. one close friend's wife lost her child when a nurse in the delivery room dropped her baby on it's head. i still haven't forgiven that nurse. i had to physically restrain him from doing that nurse bodily harm. can you imagine the grief? no, i don't suppose you can. the doctors, hospital, and lawyers are STILL trying to work that one out. my friend is pushing for murder in the first degree. he might just get it.

it's called self defense. vigilantism is when you get a mob of people to go out and kill the intruder IN HIS HOME. there are usually torches and pitchforks involved. the intruder always gets hung at the end. remember, if an intruder is IN YOUR HOME while you are in your home, it is legally believed, based on past performance over the last thousand or so years, that the intruder means to do you harm. you are allowed BY LAW to use any force, up to and INCLUDING deadly force to defend yourself. even in michigan. i know it's hard for a died in the wool liberal like yourself to believe, but it's true. i know your friends are gonna be okay, but i worry about you. phone lines are easy to cut. dogs are easy to kill. and most victims who are not prepared end up waking up looking their intruder in the eye. i've seen it hundreds of times. and it ain't pretty. a little preparation goes a long way, but unless you have a pack of bullet-proof rotweillers, they aren't gonna last ten seconds. now, what are you gonna do till the police arrive? what is the response time for a break-in where you live? a minute? two minutes? TEN minutes? a determined murderer can do a lot with a crow-bar in ten minutes. i've seen one kill four dogs, two adults and one child in far less time than that. i've also seen him fry in the electric chair.

plans to legally defend themselves against heinous criminals always referred to by the left as a VIGILANTE? could it be that they are trying to label honest, law abiding citizens who are concerned about their safety as somehow MORE CRIMINAL THAN THE CRIMINAL? g-ma says she isn't in favor of murder, but her governor certainly is. she's closing down four prisons, and releasing the inmates that were in them. how many of them are murderers? she won't say. how many of them are 'lifers'? she won't say. how many of them are sex offenders and house invaders? she won't say. she WILL say that it will only save us fifty million dollars. that's in HER BUDGET. those are HER FIGURES. we don't have too many more prisons to close to get to that magical ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR SAVINGS you keep promising. how are you going to accomplish this? the truth is... YOU CAN'T. NOT WITHOUT LOWERING THE AMOUNT THAT THIS STATE CHARGES ITSELF. it just can't be done any other way. releasing inmates won't do it. closing prisons won't do it. voting democrat next election won't do it. even raising taxes (which her budget already calls for) won't do it. you are running out of options.

vigilantism is an idea who's time has come. get the torches... get the pitchforks... get a rope... wait for them outside the prison gates...

It must be get G-Ma day again. Remember I ALWAYS post under G-Ma!! However If you used your head you know they are not going to release murderers, they will be sent to another prison and low-risk inmates will be released. Grow-up...

Where else is the money to continue this so called war to come from? Take away even more programs that benefit our own people? Many people who thought this war was ok in the beginning realize now that lies were told and have changed their minds. Is this wrong? No, this war is wrong and our soldiers need to come home and be taken care of.

This is to the three posters above. What a life you must lead always looking over your shoulder for the bad people out to get you. Not trusting anyone. Thinking anyone who has been in trouble will kill you in the blink of an eye. Having your gun loaded and ready at all times to defend your property. I guess I was blessed to be raised where very little crime was committed. No its not crime free here but the couple murders that have happen were with people that knew each our and were feuding at the time, and the emotions of the moment led to death.

You are one sick cookie. If this really happened I am sure it was not premeditated, but an accident. To say all nurses are this way is sick. You do the same thing to inmates though I guess I should not be surprised. You say you have had several intrusions and had to use deadly force. You must be one hated person.

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i just lived in detroit for a couple of years. by the way, i never said I hated nurses, nor did i say that ALL nurses were bad. just SOME nurses. unfortunately, i have had some VERY bad nurses kill some very close friends. remember, i was the one who saved that one nurse from a few months in traction. you keep on trying to find ways to vilify me. why? because i don't agree with you? that must be the reason you refuse to answer questions. well, i've never seen such hatred in a woman of medicine before. you must be SO TIRED carrying around all that hatred along with all that misplaced love for the inmates.

i didn't shoot him to protect my property. i did it to protect my life. he chose badly when he came into my house while i was in it. he could have come when i was away and only taken my stuff. but instead, he wanted to add a few notches to his gun by killing even more white people. he had already killed six befor i nailed him. i see that as doing the state of michigan a favor. i saved them thirty some thousand dollars a year for as long as that sleazebag would have lived. the other three only had ONE killing between them. you sure have the BEST INTEREST OF THE CRIMINAL AT HEART, grandmother, why is that? don't you read the newspapers? don't you listen to the news? don't you know that detroit and flint are two of the top three murder cities in the country? why? because they release inmates.

that neither hillary or obama has 'realized that they were wrong'. they are STILL voting for the war. the only problem is that if we back out now... WE LOSE. so, we have a choice. win or run away scared. which do you think hillary and obama will do?

budget, g-ma. it says the prisons are closing. period. where are the inmates going to be sent? there are no beds available, remember? the prisons are THAT overcrowded, according to you. also, notice that the yearly budget has gone UP to over two billion dollars. that's AFTER the four prisons are to be closed. so what? we have have LESS prisons, and we are paying more per inmate per day??? how is THAT progress???

You need to grow-up and use the brain God gave you. I sure he is not to happy with the way you have been using it up to now.

posting in favor of this law, and there are several who are posting in opposition. they are asking questions, and coming up with true facts and figures. you, on the other hand, are relying on strict emotion to guide you. no facts, no figures, nothing. just emotion. misguided emotion, granted, but emotion nonetheless. maybe THAT'S why everyone is answering YOU, g-ma. and notice that no one has called you a name, but you have called the opponents 'sick puppies' over and over, and that's not the least of it. you resort to name calling and wishing harm upon the posters regularly. do you do this in your medical practice? do you do this to your patients? you must, you do it so often here.