Michigan Votes Forum

If the state wants to go somewhere and make stuff happen this is the bill they need to get passed

the comments on this site action would be taken. at least some movment made. BUT...it's always the same old thing in that town of LANSING. it's just a big MONEY PIT !!! us poor ass bustin' citizens getting the same reaction day after day, week after week, etc... our ELECTED LEGISLATORS REALLY DON'T CARE !! as long as they can get re-elected, they can then qualify for michiganistan state benifits. after that it's easy. get a part time job for a little jingle in your pocket and your set. and by the way...this is a bill that WOULD save michigan MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. when you let these people out of michiganistan....let them leave the state. they surely can't get a meaningful job here. which leads me to beleive that they could land back in prison. if allowed to seek employment in another state, would benifit us all. but then if everone left michiganistan...who would pay jennys salary ???????

why the courts have recently ruled against the parole board becasue they are not following guidelines when conducting parole hearings. Anytime a person who is a first time offender, has finished all required classes, has had no misconducts in five years, and has a job upon release is denied parole twice and flopped twice for eighteen months "just because we think you haven't served enough time" something is wrong with our legal system. True enough they put themselves into the situation HOWEVER the parole board is not doing right legally when they do things like this. Thank you to the court for finally recognizing that they are power hungry and out of line.

your profession that needs these inmates incarcerated in order for yo tail to have a job in the first place so how impartial are you? Right thought so. Secondly there wouldn't be a need for good time if the parole board wasn't going outside of the law in developing their own terms for parole. That is why they are being looked into now. Good time wouldn't be neede if after your minimum, if you were a first time offender, had no misconducts, and had your classes complete, you actually had a chance to be paroled. But as you should know in your line of work, they don't and for what reason......"WE don't think you have served enough time". Keeping you gainfully employed with overtime, and wasting my tax money priceless.

for your info drugs we all know are harmful.....but they are a personal choice. Whomever he would have sold to would have ASKED for his service right? Whomever he sold it to made their own mind up to use, buy, and therefore harm themselves.

cl;oseminded, hypocritical, ocd plagued individuals always assume that there was something that the family didn't do or could have done to stop or prevent a loved one from committing a crime? Its so sad that you are so unhappy with your life that you feel the need to attack others on this site just for kicks. God forbid one day you experience half of what a one of these families go through then you might actually be able to make an informed and educated statement about issues pertaining to the prison system, causes, results and so on. You have free speech yes but someone in YOUR family didn't teach you any home training because you don't know how to use it. Someone in your family needs to talk to you about your anger issues, your pessimistic attitude toward everything, and the way you attack those who you have never met nor who situation do you know. Making a point, a real educated point, can be done without ALL CAPS and without degrading every person who doesn't agree with you, not to mention thinking that you are better than those who post on this site. Maybe if you learned a little thing called courtesy people could listen to your points a little better.

administered by the parole board which is the cause of the overcrowding and money pit. In order for truth in sentencing to work one needs to have a parole board that works and it is obvious that ours does not, this is why a court has ruled that their practices are unconstitutional as of recent. Thank God someone has finally realized that the parole board cannot sentence these inmates twice for the same crime.

THIS person has tunnel vision and is and attention getter everyone should ignore him and instead put our time and energy into getting these bills passed.If we ignore him and do not respond to his narrow-mindness he will eventually move on.

loved ones of criminals insist that HOME WITH YOU is where they need to be? weren't they HOME WITH YOU when they committed their crimes in the first place? you didn't, or couldn't STOP THEM FROM COMMITTING CRIMES in the first place, what makes you think that you can STOP THEM FROM COMMITTING CRIMES when they get released? the truth is, YOU CAN'T. your LOVED ONE doesn't give a flying rat's ass about what you want, only about committing crime. if he DID care about what you want, he WOULDN'T have committed the crime in the first place. unless, of course, YOU DID WANT HIM TO COMMIT CRIMES. now, you can call the people who think that criminals belong in prison for their entire term NARROW MINDED, but it won't change the fact that you are a DECIDED MINORITY where the votes to pass this bill are concerned. not only that, the representatives would have to give up their vaunted TOUGH ON CRIME reputation, as would the governor if she signed it. it's a LOSE/LOSE/LOSE situation, and no one wants anything to do with it.

DEVELOP his clientele? doesn't he give away free samples? doesn't he give it to kids to get them to use his product? or does he only sell to people who are ALREADY HOOKED? i'm sure that he would have no compunction against giving away a few hits to kids just to see how many paying customers he could get out of it. THAT'S why he got all that time, not because he FORCED IT DOWN SOME KID'S THROAT. now, i'm all for LEGALIZING SOME DRUGS, only because there are drug dealers like your loved one out there who would be put out of business because of it. now, i'm sure that if your loved one was ASKED by a ten year old to buy drugs, and that ten year old had stolen enough money to buy it, that YOUR LOVED ONE would just hand him the drugs and take the money. look him in the eye and ask him what was the youngest person he ever sold drugs to. also ask him how many people died from taking his drugs. he will, of course, lie to you, but you should be able to see the truth in his eyes.

my occupation. i don't work for a prison. it wouldn't matter if i did. my opinion on criminals would still be the same. but it just goes to show what you get for ASSUMING. now, why do you believe that every person who opposes good time for inmates is automatically employed by the prison system? by the way, guards are unionized, and won't lose their jobs no matter what. it's in their contract. they are also some of the best paid guards in the country, adding to our high dollar prison system. now, that being said, that doesn't change the fact that each and every inmate in that prison deserves to do his entire stretch, if they didn't, they would have gotten a lighter sentence from the beginning. i understand that you have a problem being away from your loved one, but you'll just have to live with it, that's what your loved one wanted, wasn't it?

to shoot them, WOULD YOU?

yes they want to lock people up in prison for 5 years or more for conspiricy and its there first time in trouble they talk about familys busting up and kids being put in foster homes non vilent crimes should not be sent to prison especially for fist time affenders. i know two beautiful little girls one 5 and one 11 months there moms in jail awaiting sentence for conspiricy and ther grandmom waiting sentencing they will be seperated because they have noone else to care for them.

What I have a problem with is the jerk who keeps comimg to this comment site and tries to argue with others about there opinions.Your either for or against.You have made it CLEAR you are against.Please leave the other users alone.

I agree.

Well said,Think about it.....This user has to come to this site and try to pick on others.I would consider myself to have NO LIFE if that ia all I had to look forward to daily.Wouldnt you?

i would consider anyone who takes the side of a convicted drug dealer over law abiding citizens, then treats the drug dealer like he is the owner of a legitimate business, saying things like, 'every drug user came to him to buy drugs, they made up their own minds,he didn't 'push' drugs on anyone.' to be severely lacking in the life department. i understand that he is your 'loved one', and love is supposed to be unconditional, but you might as well just support his dealing drugs if you are going to have the attitude that he is perfect and the world is just out to get him. your refusal to look at reality and willingness to overlook the seriousness of the charges your 'loved one' has been convicted of don't help your cause, in fact, they bring ridicule upon it. you may be totally convinced that your 'loved one' got a 'bad rap', but that is because you are not totally convinced that your 'loved one' did anything wrong. a jury disagreed. a judge disagreed, a criminal justice system disagreed, a society disagreed. and if you looked objectively at the facts, you would disagree as well.

I agree good time shouild be granted to non violent prisoners because it would have the State alot of money (by feeding, clothing, and providing health care). PASS THE BILL FOR GOOD TIME!!!!!

i believe as offenders that have been to prison in mich. should be able to leave mich as a parollee and find a job and then contact the parole agents and let them know and transfer their parole to that state instead of having to paythe fee of 100.00 to get the papers started and then wait three months or longer to see if they have been approved and if not then refund the fee for paperwork....

to add to the fees of paperwork, now it is stated that if you are not approved by the mich. dept of corrections to leave the state of mich. to get better paid jobs then you do not get the 100.00 refunded...

if these legislature people woud pass the goodtime bill and oped the centers back up and put people on the streets as prisoners on tether then they can make room forviolent prisoners and give these other people a chance on showing the mdoc that it is a good thing because i have been on prisoner status tether for 18 months in 2000 to 2002 and i did good and got my parole and became a productive citizen...

put non vioplent first time offenders on electronic monitoring system aka tether then parole them from there, do away with the parole board altogether...

the state of mich. does not jurisdiction over federal court rules so the federal will have to handle goodtime for federal prisoners...

I know that you are trying to deal with this delemma and for a very good reason and I have spoken to a family member of yours and that he is doing more time than what he deserves and I feel the same ....

Alot of people think that just because the prisoner is in prison that he is the only one doing the time, well that is truly wrong , the family members are also doing his time with them by not having him or her with them to be a father or husband or sibling....

thousands of years. nothing new. it's part and parcel of having a 'loved one' that commits crime. perhaps better choices in YOUR life will keep you from paying the consequences of the poor choices in HIS life.

this is what i mean about the high and mighty people on this site. Just because you may have never experienced a loved one incarcerated doesn't mean it can't happen. Talk down all you want to, to those who are going thru it but the point is all kinds of people make bad decisions, some of whom lived years without breaking any laws, so just because someones loved one is incarcerated does not reflect on the loved one. Now i also don't agree with the argument that they should do good time just because the family is suffering. I am in the situation but I realize my loved one made a bad decision on his own. If you are going to fight for this bill do it on the merits of the bill and the fact that the current system is obviously not working under a parole board which practices have been declared by a court as unconstitutional, not because you need your loved one to help with bills.

at baiting or trolling. You assume wrong as well my loved one is not incarcerated I just have seen many instances where first time offenders who have the necessary requirements and parole eligibilty scores are denied over and over by the parole board for no reason. Yes, I mean just that no reason. Anytime you have no misconducts for years, required classes finished, a favorable parole eligibilty score, a job awaiting you on release, and were a first time offender, and you get flopped for years and years because the parole board "FEELS" you haven't did enough time, something is wrong and now a court has said so as well. The parole boards practices have been declared unconstitutional and with good reason, not only are they wasting tax payer money by holding those whom are legally eligible to go home and have earned a good score, but they are also spitting on the constitution by basically trying the inmate twice. A judge has already considered the crime at sentencing the parole board is supposed to consider conduct while incarcerated, class requirements and parole eligiblity scores not to mention reports and reccomendations from the counselors who have worked closely with the inmates. It doesn't happen and that is why there is overcrowding, institutionalization, and a sink hole of expenses draining on our budget. So before you assume that I only want a bill because I must have a loved one, think again I support this bill based on its merits, the unconstitutional practices of a power hungry parole board (not experts political appointees)and a system that has so many holes in it that it should have sank long ago and its no surprise its going down now.

wow you really have some repressed anger issues huh? You act like you have a family member on lock. Your anger issues just might put you in that situation one day. The point is that not ALL of the loved ones have said that we believe they should be at home. When you see the prison system up close and personal you also begin to see the holes in it. Now this bill may not even help half of the loved ones inmates that post here, but if it helps even one that has earned it it will be worth it. Anytime a court rules that your parole boards practices are unconstitutional something is WRONG thats why it has been being investigated smart guy. The point is there are those first time offenders who have completed classes, have favorable parole eligibilty scores, have had no misconducts for at times up to five or ten years, and still are flopped time and time again. Do you know why? Because a parole board of not experts, but appointees feel that they haven't served enough time. But a JUDGE who is qualified has already considered the crime in sentencing, it is really not supposed to be considered again by the board, nor are their unexpert opinions a reason for my tax dollars continuing to be wasted. Get some help with your anger buddy, and stop trying to degrade family members who post on this site. You are one of those people with an inferiority complex who has no cahones to say things to people in their face but have all the courage in the world to make uneducated comments about people who haven't done anything to you. Never type anything you wouldn't be able to say to someone's face-and for some reason I doubt you have the gall to do so.

ones out early fix the holes?

the horrors of unconstitutionalities in this thread, while others applaud the retention of unconstitutionalities in another. the legislature just voted to retain an unconstitutional provision in our constitution. let's hear it for our top notch legislators.

Yes it has been this way for years and look where it has led us. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF CHANGE AND PROGRESS. This is what is needed to improve the situation we find our stste in. These bills will change things and progress will occur. As i said before lets spent our energy on getting this done instead of arguing with this narrow-minded person who keeps saying the same thing over and over punish, punish, punish, don"t forgive or forget anyone.

spoil the child. you people have spared the rod. it's up to the 'nanny state' to fix that. you don't like it much, but they have no other choice. sometimes it takes a nanny to straighten out your brats.

No it's spare the rod and love the child. Many in prison today was kids that the rod was not spared on and so they used the rod too when they needed to fix things.

I have contacted the michiganvotes website about this man/woman and the constant harrasment.They said he/she is just a troll with nothing else tomdo and that those of us who support the bill should ignore EVERYTHING he/she says and to concentrate on getting the bill past.

I have contacted the michiganvotes website about this man/woman and the constant harrasment.They said he/she is just a troll with nothing else to do and that those of us who support the bill should ignore EVERYTHING he/she says and to concentrate on getting the bill past

I agree completely!!

should simply ignore the opposition. under no circumstances should we PRESENT OUR CASE AND OUR FACTS TO BACK UP OUR DECISION. that would be bad... we also shouldn't try to KEEP EMOTION OUT OF OUR DECISION, that would be bad as well... we should only vote to have our loved ones back among us, no matter the consequences of our actions. our decision should be STRICTLY PERSONAL, with no regard to the REST OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS STATE and how THEY WILL BE EFFECTED. and by all means we should keep on insisting that our loved ones are non-violent. if we keep on doing this, the public will start to believe us. and by all means, we should avoid admitting that our loved one's decision to commit crimes is anything but a terrible mistake, never to be repeated. now, i understand that some of us will have to lie to accomplish this, but lie if you must, as our loved ones must come home to us, no matter the cost.

I have recently been asked by my Husband ti=o obtain more information on the status of House Bill 4262. I have reviewed the postings on this websit adn I would like to get more information on what it is that I need to do to assist in getting this law passed. Several individuals have mentioned voting. Plese tell me what I can do to help in this matter, I aslo have a loved one tht is incarcerated adn I want to do what is needed to ensure that he is home soon. Please give me as mush guidance as possible. Thank you all.

I have recently been asked by my Husband ti=o obtain more information on the status of House Bill 4262. I have reviewed the postings on this websit adn I would like to get more information on what it is that I need to do to assist in getting this law passed. Several individuals have mentioned voting. Plese tell me what I can do to help in this matter, I aslo have a loved one tht is incarcerated adn I want to do what is needed to ensure that he is home soon. Please give me as mush guidance as possible. Thank you all.