Michigan Votes Forum

Introduced in the House on January 30, 2007

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Thank you for placing this bill in the House. Last year HB 5088 did not pass. HB 4147 is exactly the same as HB 5088. Lets start the New Year in doing the right thing, and stop doing things right. Big difference---

I cann't believe anyone would disagree.

Unfortunately, Michigan doesn't care who participated in the conception of a child, just that it was conceived during a marriage. There are a bunch of guys out there who are paying child support for kids that their ex-wives conceived without them. Jim Arvada, CO

This is only common sense and I can't believe that we have to pass legislation to make this happen.

My name is Doug Richardson, and the State of Michigan has made me a slave. The word “slave” might seem extreme, perhaps even unbelievable, but it could not be more accurate. Let me tell you my story. I started dating a woman and after some time she told me she was pregnant with my child. I did the honorable thing and married her. She gave birth to a son, Doug Jr., and later we had another child. One day Doug Jr. told me that his mother had said I was not really his father, that a man named Abraham Flores was his real dad. Obviously this came as a great shock to me as I had never suspected my wife had lied to me. Doug Jr.’s mother and I decided to get a divorce. At the hearing, I said that I wanted to contest Doug Jr.’s paternity and have a DNA test done. My ex-wife, despite having previously told Doug Jr. that I was not his father, flatly lied in court, stating that I was certainly the father. The judge refused my request for blood testing. He also denied my request for a lawyer. The judge just steamrolled right over me and ordered me to pay child support on both children. To make matters even more cruel, the court also denied me any visitation rights to both boys. As you might imagine, I felt extremely frustrated, helpless, and trapped. Unfortunately, these were feelings I would have to get used to. After an appeal, I was finally able to get genetic testing done. The tests proved that Doug Jr. indeed was not my biological son. To the courts, however, this did not matter one bit. I was still legally obligated to pay child support for Doug Jr., and I was still not given any visitation rights to him or to my biological child. This was even more unbelievable in light of the fact that by this time my ex-wife and the children were living with Abraham Flores, Doug Jr.’s biological father. For nearly ten years I was forced to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a child who lived with both of his biological parents, and who, due to the court’s refusal to allow me any visitation rights, had become a total stranger to me. The courts also robbed me of a relationship with my biological child. To Michigan, I was and am nothing more than a walking checkbook, regardless of the financial and emotional harm it does to me or the children. My indentured servitude reached its unfathomable peak when, in 2001, my ex-wife abandoned the children and left them with Mr. Flores. Once she left, the court ordered me to redirect my child support payments to Mr. Flores. Just to clarify, the court ordered me, the nonfather, to pay child support to the biological father to raise his own child. There is simply no excuse or justification for what the Michigan courts have forced me to do. And they have forced me. I am truly a slave to the Michigan courts. They take the money directly from my paycheck. In fact, garnishing my wages left me with 42 paychecks for $0. The Michigan courts literally bankrupted me. Meanwhile, Abraham Flores got paid to raise his own child. I became a slave forced to pay for a child that was not mine, while he won the lottery. I’m sure many parents would love to receive thousands of dollars to help them raise their children. But let me assure you, being on the flip side of that coin—when you are the one forced to sacrifice your own life and family to pay for someone else’s child—is a pain I would not wish on anyone. I am a slave, pure and simple. The Michigan courts have shown no sympathy for my plight, and no respect for common decency or fairness. I have fought in futility for 15 years to try to free myself from my shackles, but the courts refuse to recognize my right to freedom. My obligation to pay child support for Doug Jr. should have ended the moment he was proven not to be my son, but to the Michigan courts that fact did not matter at all. All they cared about was that I continue to pay. I am a citizen of this State, I pay taxes, I vote for my elected officials, yet the State owns me. It takes the money out of my paycheck before I even see it; it has forced me into bankruptcy; it denies me the right to see the children it forces me to support; and it holds the power to throw me into jail if I try to break free of my shackles and keep the money I have worked so hard to earn for myself and my family. I am a slave. And I am not alone. There are estimated to be at least tens of thousands of paternity fraud victims in this country, and thousands in Michigan alone. These are men who are presumed to be the father because of marriage; and men whose names are listed by mothers on welfare forms who end up with default judgments that bind them to pay as fathers without any sort of genetic testing or other verification; and men who are forever bound as legal fathers based upon voluntary acknowledgements they sign, which they are typically presented with in the highly emotional moments right after the birth of babies they believe to be their own. The State has no sympathy if these men were lied to. If they are dupes it is their own fault. They still have to pay. The mothers who lied do not suffer. The courts have no consequences. The only one who feels this burden is the man enslaved to pay because he had the foolishness to trust that a child was his own. Those who argue against paternity disestablishment in the face of DNA tests (and those who would even oppose the ordering of such tests at all) argue that maintaining payments is necessary for the best interests of the child. The fears are that the detrimental effect on the relationship with the nonfather would be harmful to the child and that the loss of support is not in the best interests of the child. Both of these arguments are simply wrong. First, as my case demonstrates, these laws have nothing whatsoever to do with the relationship between a father and a child. While making me pay support, the court refused to give me any visitation rights to the children. I was not abusive, I was not unfit, I did not do drugs or abuse alcohol, and I would have liked to maintain a relationship with both children. Michigan did not care. The court looked at me as a walking checkbook and happily enslaved me while taking away any rights I had to the children. This arrangement did more harm to my relationship with Doug Jr. than anything that could have happened absent the court’s intervention. Furthermore, forcing a man to pay child support for a child who is not his in no way increases the likelihood that this will help continue a loving relationship. If anything, it is more likely to make a man feel oppressed—which he is—and resent the child for being part of his enslavement. You cannot make a man want to foster a relationship with a child, it must be his choice. The courts and legislatures cannot regulate this. Requiring support to continue does not have anything to do with developing or sustaining a relationship. Another reason why the best interests of the child argument fails is that by the time these paternity issues come to light, it is no secret (at least to the man) that the child might not be his. Thus, it is impossible to imagine that the relationship would go on unchanged. Again, here the situation will vary between men who want to pursue relationships with the children and those who do not. Nothing in the law will be able to affect this, and in my case the courts forced me to pay tens of thousands of dollars to a child that was not mine while simultaneously preventing me from having a relationship with that child or my own child. Finally, this notion of protecting the best interests of the child denies that child the truth of his origins. Associated with that is potentially denying the child information about his genetic history, his heritage, and his family, as well as depriving him of a relationship with his actual father. Lying to a child about who he is and where he comes from does him no good, and any arguments that it could are clearly outweighed by the unjust enslavement of their nonfathers. That leads me into the second argument that is frequently offered in support of the oppressive laws that have shackled and bankrupted me for the past 15 years: that it is not in the child’s best interest to lose support payments. Before getting to the discussion of how patently and ridiculously unfair this position is, please allow me to educate you on the economic reality of this situation. If nonfathers are no longer forced to pay child support, the money is likely not being taken out of the hands of the mother and child, it is being taken out of the State’s welfare funds. A large majority of these paternity fraud cases, including my own, involve mothers who are reliant upon the welfare systems to support them. It is the State that is interested in finding fathers so that they can recoup the money spent and continue to get high levels of federal funding. However, there is no requirement that the man they have listed actually be the father, and no penalty if they get the wrong guy and keep him on the hook. The design of this system actually encourages paternity fraud—as long as some man is forced to pay, whether he turns out to be the biological father or not, everyone is happy. Except, of course, for the poor man, who is forced to pay regardless of whether the child is his. This is blatantly unjust and unfair, and it must stop. Aside from the deeply flawed welfare laws, the notion that men who are proven to not be the fathers of children must still pay support because it would not be in the best interests of the child for the payments to stop goes against every ideal of justice and fairness upon which this country is founded. That argument essentially champions slavery, as long as someone benefits from the slavery. “Sure, he’s not the father, but the kid needs support, so he should still pay.” How can that be right? The 13th Amendment does not have an exception allowing slavery when it is not in the best interests of the beneficiary to free the slave. Indeed, the Michigan Legislature would not advocate suspending Abolition for slaves who took care of children just because it would not be in the best interests of those children to lose their caretakers. This situation is no different. The Michigan Legislature and courts are supposed to protect all of its citizens, not just children and single mothers. There is no rationale in existence that can justify or legitimize what has been done to me and what is done to other men like me every day. Forcing men who are proven to not be the biological fathers of children to pay for them is nothing short of slavery, and the Michigan Legislature and courts should be ashamed of themselves for perpetuating these horrific policies. Men in these circumstances are victims of women they trusted, but instead of having compassion for these men, or even offering basic decency and fairness, the State chooses to further victimize them. This is criminal and inexcusable. I implore the State of Michigan to recognize this great injustice and change the laws to allow for the disestablishment of paternity and the removal of support obligations on fathers when children are proven to not be biologically theirs. The legislature must allow for DNA testing when requested and follow-through when those results prove a lack of paternity. In addition, the Michigan legislature should mandate DNA testing at birth along with other standard tests that newborns are given. For less than $100 per child—pennies compared to the tens of thousands of dollars the State has stolen from me and other innocent men—these issues could be resolved from the start, removing any concerns about harm to the child’s relationship with the purported father and making sure that everyone knows the truth from the beginning. The story of my enslavement sounds unbelievable, and indeed it is incredible. The financial and emotional toll it has taken on me is indescribable, and I know I will never be compensated for what has been taken from me. All I can do is champion freedom and lobby for change so that no other man is ever enslaved in such a despicable and torturously unfair way. I am a slave of the State of Michigan, and I beg the Legislature to grant me, and others like me, freedom. Thank you.

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I am a proponent of any legislation that creates justice in the family courts. This bill is only a start, but it is a place to start. Paternity should be mandatory at birth for everyone, NO EXCEPTIONS.STOP PATERNITY FRAUD by preventing it. Don't crete reactive laws create proactive laws that prevent this issue from being an issue. And while your at it , create a policing department for the FOC....the worst scenario exists currently. People making decisions about children that have 0 accountability...This is the worst position the state could possibly endorse as they care not about the children or placing them in harms way.

not the biological parent of a child has NO responsibility to pay the bills of that child. quit allowing the state to force NON BIOLOGICAL FATHERS to pay child support. this is THEFT. STEALING MONEY BY FORCE. if it were done by a thug on the street, the thug would get years in jail, but as it's done by the foc, it's perfectly legal. by allowing separation of non-biological fathers from the 'pool' of those eligible to pay child support, it will FORCE some of the mothers around here to TELL THE TRUTH. there should also be stiffer penalties for mothers LYING about paternity.

have it to where when a mother puts the wrong name intentionally on a birth certificate, she forfiets her rights to collect paternity payments. if it is discovered that she has committed fraud by intentionally putting the wrong name on paternity papers, she is immidiately jailed, her child placed either with relatives, or with the state, and she is forced to repay any payments she has recieved so far.

FRIEND OF THE COURT,not the friend of the mother or the father. it is as with any goverment enity only about the money. my son has had more problems with the FOC since the case was handed to them. when he and his girlfriend were dealing with it on thier own it worked great. of corse, someone had to stick thier nose in and suggest to her that she could get more MONEY if she went through the FOC. well naturally she went for it. yes sehe is getting more money, but now the realationship between her and my son is now strained. also he is not only paying more for support, he is also paying extra fees. which now puts an extra strain on him financily. the fact that you can lose your licence for back support is bullsh**. if you get laid off or your job goes south. why should you lose your licence ???? how do you get to a job ?? how do you look for a job ??? this state has thier head in thier ass. MIKE COX is the one that came up with all this. we have people in jail for back support that don't belong there. how can you go to work to pay support if you don't have a way to get there. not everyone lives in the city where they can take a bus. to me this state truly sucks... can't wait to move.

Should be A.B.F.O.N. Arrogant Bloated Friend of Nobody

This is drawn off accual court transcripts, paternity fraud in the works, open your eyes Michigan... MR. DUNN:(HER ATTORNEY)'Well,she would prefer neither test because she's sure-in her mind that Mr. Richardson is the father of both children, and that's the position that we've taken. We feel that he just - that this is not a sincere effort on his behalf because he waited too long. (THE JUDGE)Mr. Milster, is he 'current on his support obligations? MR. MILSTER:(MY ATTORNEY)Well, he's within I'm going to .say $300 or so. He paid $600 on his arrearage, and he has the weeklies. coming .out by income withholding order. filing that Complaint? A Yes, I did. Q And did you live in the State for 180 days prior to filing that complaint? A Yes. Q You allege that there's been a breakdown in the marriage relationship to the extent the objects of matrimony have been destroyed, and that there's no reasonable likelihood that you and Mr. Richardson could reconcile. A Yes. Q Is that still true today? A Yes., it is. Q Are you, pregnant? A No, i'm not. Q Were there children born of the marriage? A Yes, there was. Q Were all of the children born ,of the'marriage? A Yes, Q The child that Mr. Richardson was referring to is he the father of that child? (judges Question) A Yes, he is.(her Answer) Q' And you're sure in your mind of that?(judges asking again) Yes.(her Answer) Copy of DNA Below. NATIONAL LEGAL LABOR. OKEMOS, MICH1G. 11517.349-3890 OCT Consultant RICHARD 0 MIL5TER 817 WASHINGTON AVE PO BOX 855 BAY city"! MI 48707 ABO MblS RH PGM ALLEGED FATHER MOTHER o B MZ MZ Rl,R R1,R2 2A lA,2A September 17,1992 NLL NO: 31093 YOUR NO: 91 7019 DM P DSS NO: Alleged FATHER: RICHARDSON, DOUGLAS MOTHER:RICHARDSON, BONNIE (child) RICHARDSON, DOUGLAS JR. Alleged Father's Race: ~WHITE Mother's Race: ~white Blood Rec'd: Af-08/26/92. M-08/26/92, C-08/26/92 CHILD o MZ R2 IB,2A PATERNITY INDEX 1.51 3.37 EXCLUSION EXCLUSION COMMENTS Mr. RICHARDSON IS EXCLUDED from being the~Father of DOUGLAS. DOUGLAS has the 'PGM*1B' gene(s) which neither Mr. RICHARDSON nor Ms. RICHARDSON can transmit. DOUGLAS does not have either of the RH*R1 or RH*R genes, one of which Mr. RICHARDSON must transmit to each of his children. cc: Robert DUNN/ ATTY 512 WITH LINCOLN BAY ~CITY HI 48708 Keep in mind the only victims here were me and the children, she lied in open court several times on the record, and what did she get.... 16 years of child support for her and the biological father. THIS MUST COME TO AN END.

Hopefully this is being looked at by California legislature because we need relief from this financial slavery as well. And hopefully the rest of the nation finds that this is the right thing to do.

This 4147 is a start and should be passed, but did anyone notice trick dicky of following= Section 5(2) (2) Courts shall NOT grant motion,if a man knew he was Notbiological man withDNA proof 6 monthbefore. GEE-so basicly their saying if you knew your NOT thebio-father dna prove,ya better get in to court prove your innocent before,DEFAULT order is issued 14Days. Question is Why are they pushing to get just leway to only 6 MONTHS Why NOT 6 YEARS.DUTY is forGUILDY What it should Read is=== "IF A MAN KNOWS HE IS NOT BIOLOGICAL FATHER WITH A DNA TEST PROOF PROFILE,HE'S DONE,ITIS NOT HIS DUTY "IT IS THE DUTY OF MOTHER,COURT AGENCY TO PROVE THE PATERNITY OF GUILT OR INNOCENT. "IF A MOTHER OR COURT AGENCY KNOW OR KNEW OF DNA TEST PROOF OF A MAN'S NON PATERNITY INNOCENTS,THE MOTHER CAN NOT MOTION COURTS FOR CHILD SUPPORT." Action Under paternity act 722.711-722.730 LAWs-state that a court agency must allow dnaTest profile to be done,if paternity is motioned. How can a man get a mother/child to do a dna test seek out,it would take him 4 month to get results. PLUS FACT-if a man knows he is NOT FATHER dnaTest WHY SHOULD HE BE FORCED GO TO COURT,TO PROVE ANY MORE,SEND THE TEST TO fia,FOC,LAWYERS.HE IS DONE. DEFAULT ORDER,GET 14 DAYS BEFORE IT GETS YOU. ONCE YOUR IN THE SYSTEM,YOU NEVER GET OUT. HB 4147,4120,NOT GOING TO HELP CAUSE THEY HAVE THAT CLAUSE THERE,if you knew NOT father6monthago) CATCH 22,--IT SHOULD READ--UNDER DEFAULT ORDERS ""COURT AGENCYS SHALL NOT SEND A FILATION DEFAULT ORDER IF THEY KNOW OF DNA PROFILE PROOF'6 MONTH BEFORE AND 6 MONTH AFTER, PROOF OF NON PATERNITY." IF A MAN PAYS, WORKS FOR ANOTHER FATHERS FRAUD, THEN THAT MAN BECOME ANOTHER MANS SLAVE. IT IS NOT DUTY OF NON-BIO-MAN TO GO AFTER THE REAL GUILTY MAN. IT IS DUTY OF MOTHER,COURTS,POLICE.

Heres one for ah, a judge and court agent talking, Quote,well,someone has to pay for the bastards. but to protect my children, from going to live with my wifes boyfriend 1 kids dad-charles manson- I delayed divorce to long. well i pay and now my 2 kids live a NONnormal life. then my wife wanted me out ,and pawn using of kids,but it diNot work. It almost cost me visitation time. did cost 3,000 lawyers, 1,000 for real counseloring. MONTOYA VS BEBENSEE 1988 761.

722.1003 (2) Acknowledgment of paternity can be done by biological father and Mother anytime during the childs lifetime. Papers can be done, SCAO to REPLACE A FATHER and toADD a FATHER,on birthrecord, but to get the real biological father to go along with all that @DNA. That's up to do it yourselfMother,lawyers,agencys. Some cases ,even if all paper work is done,and the DNA proof,Acknowledgement,RealFatherADDED record, Court still willNot let NONbiologicalMan Free from paying child support. Its like if another man even 100%proofs yea he the father,says he will pay, agencys still willNot let the innocent man free. Wonder if NONbiological man can sue courts agencys for "false Fraud" after all they knew he was NOT the father 6month ago.but falsely DEfaulted anyway Well, HB 4147 put a STOPEE in there which reads, IF A MAN KNEW HE WAS NOT THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER 6 MONTH AGO. MOTION SHALL BE DENIED. WHAT????????? what about the man who Knew he WAS BIOLOGICAL MAN 6 MONTH BEFORE/6 MONTHS AFTER??? IF A MAN KNEW HE WAS NOT BIO-FATHER-WITH DNA TEST, HE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING MORE,IT IS NOT NOT NOT,HIS RESPONSIBILITY,NOT HIS FAULT,NOT DUTY, NOT HIS JOB, NOT TO BE ASLAVE TO ANOTHER MANS DUTY """IF THE COURT AGENCYS,FIA,FOC,LAWYERS,JUDGES,ALL KNEW MAN WAS INNOCENT WITH DNA TEST,NON PATERNITY. 6 MONTHS AGO BEFORE,OR 6 MONTHS AFTER CHILD BIRTH (they are all guilty of fraud,falseing records, default fraud,false inprisonment,can be sued) HB-4147-4120 would be great, but they have to add that "motion denied,if a man knew was NOTfather, so MONEY TALKS "keep men in slavechains. YES it should read--If a mother,court agency,or lawyers,knew a man was NOT biological father DNA profile,they can NOT send DEFAULT orders to him. That saying-well if you knew you were NOT a father dna proof,thinkn its not my child, I'AM DONE. Then 6 months past, you get a DEFAULT order thatr going to pay child support,simply cause you knew you were NOT biological father. MAKES NO SENSE

YEA thats like sayen,theres a murder, and you knew you were Not guilty with dna test proof,6monthago, they come and get you put in jail for 18years,just cause you knew you were not gulty,did't tell them. a line up,of 10 men the mother calls you daddy of the child, but the man who knew he was not daddy, with dna test proof, is the one that has to pay. Under the paternity act laws it states dna test must be done if a motion of denial by allenged father is inputed.Its the laws that agencys ignore to lazy to go after real guilty man. If a judge told me,someone has to pay for bastards i would of said ,you pay its your bastard problem. Laws already have dna test rights,courts must put order out for named alleged father,it does not say a man who KNEW he is NOTbio-man,6monthagoDNAtest. Mother better start down list,of other 10 guys. or go on the MAURY SHOW. cause the agencys do Not want to fork over DNAtest money,so get the guy who knews he wasNOT biologicalDNAproof,he's got money. Tell a man or husband 3 of 6 kids are NOT yours, but 6 months ago he knew was NOT dad,dna proof, so he has to PAY anyway, so the mother does Not have tell us,even though she KNEW 6 months ago,or that right, 6 YEAARS ago. that you where NOT dad. SHE KNEW 6 MONTHS AGO who the real father was. WOW, yea put a law in there,to override the paternity test rights, that sya if you knew you where innocent of a crime,dna proof,6 month ago you will have to be a slave anyway,cause the mother had an affair, and she wants to force a innocent man to pay ,so her boyfriend,real dad, can live on your paycheck,while your children are eating hotdogs, they get to go to Vegas. Judges think it "best interest child" but if the real father is forced to pay he will want to go see the Children he has to pay for,be part of life and children will get comfort,get to know this new man who takes them to MACd's . It will be better for the kids,to know this guys the real dad, then just different guy shown up at Mommys door to get some. If its the real dad he will care, even more then a Man who is forced to pay who is NOT dad., Yea, what about man who KNEW he WAS the BIO-FATHER or MOTHER who KNEW he WAS OR was NOT bioLogicalMan

IT ALSO SAYS IN THE PATERNITY LAWS, IF ANY PERSON, KNOWINGLY, WILLFULLY NAMES AN ALLEGED MAN IN AN ATTEMPT TO FRAUD SAID PERSON, IS A MISDEMEANOR. IT SAYS ANY PERSON, THAT MEANS COURT AGENCYS, FOC. IF THE NEW LAW SAYS=MOTION DENIED IF A MAN KNEW HE WAS NOT BIOLOGICAL FATHER DNA PROOF 6MONTHS BEFORE. THEN IT SHOULD BE==MOTION DENIED ON DEFAULT ORDERS =MOTION DENIED ON MOTHERS,ON COURT AGENCYS, THEY ALL KNEW HE WAS NOT THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER DNA TEST CAN NOT PASS A LAW THAT SAYS A MAN IS GUILTY,JUST CAUSE HE KNEW HE WAS INNOCENT DNAPROOF 6 MONTHAGO. UNLESS ""EQUAL JUSTICE TO LAW, MOTION MUST BE DENIED 'IF A COURTS KNEW OF SOME PROOF. IS THIS AMERICAN JUSTICE OR BULLSHIT BY LAW. 722.716-PRETRIAL PROCEEDING-722.714(6)DNA PRESUMED IT DOES NOT SAY AGENCYS,MOTHER,LAWYERS,JUDGES CAN SET ASIDE LAWS, THAT ARE THERE,SKIP OVER IT -THEN USE 722.717-DEFAULT ORDERS, FORCE NON-PATERNITY. LAWS ARE THERE TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT, NOT TO SAY IF YOU KNEW YOU WHERE INNOCENT 6MONTH AGO DNAPROOF THE AGENCYS CAN DEFAULT YOU. WITHOUT-722.716 FIRST AGENCYS MUST FOLLOW THE LAWS, ITS THE LAW ITS THE LAW ITS THE ,ITS THE LAW. MAYBE NON BIOLOGICAL MEN WHO ARE SENT DEFAULT ORDERS BEFORE GIVEN THE RIGHTS TO A PRETRIAL PROCEEDING IN 722.716, MEN SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT PASS A LAW THEY CAN GO BACK FILE LAW SUITE AGAINST WHO EVER SIGNED DEFAULT ORDER, OR WHOM EVER KNEW THE MAN WAS INNOCENT.

IF A MAN KNEW OR KNOWS HE IS NOT THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER ,DNA TEST PROOF, HE IS DONE,IT IS NOT HIS JOB 722.714-DNA PROOF PATERNITY PRESUMED. 722.716-PRETRIAL PROCEEDINGS. 722.717-THEN ONLY THEN CAN DEFAULT ORDER BE SENT. IT THE LAW , AGENCY ARE COMMIT CRIMES ,MUST FOLLOW THE LAW AS WRITTEN, IT DOES NOT SAY GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL-722.717. IT SAYS 722.714 FIRST. THEN 722.716 THEN THEY GET TO NAIL THE COFFIN ON REALBIOLOGICAL SPERM DONOR, THEN HE IS LEGAL FATHER, REAL DADDY. IF THE MAN KNOWS HE IS NOT FATHER DNA ,HE IS DONE. SLAVERY IS AGAINST THE LAW, KNOWING HELPING TO INSLAVERY PERSON IS AGAINST THE LAW. IF DNA TEST PROOFS A MAN IS NOT BIOLOGICAL FATHER HE DOES NOT HAVE TO GO TO COURT TO PROVE ANYTHING MORE HE IS DONE, HE DOES NOT HAVE TO PAY SUPPORT. IT IS THE DUTY OF AGENCYS, LAWYER,MOTHERS, MOST OF ALL IT IS THE DUTY OF DNA TEST PROOFEN BIO-FATHER. IT IS THE DUTY OF THE PROOFEN DNA TEST FATHER TO PAY,WORK SLAVEHARD,SEE HIS CHILDREN BEST INTEREST. DNA TEST MUST BE USED,MUST BE INPUTED BEFORE DEFAULT ORDERED ARE ISSUED, OR WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE OUT THE WHOLE PATERNITY LAWS,IF NO ONES GOING TO FOLLOW,THE ORDER OF THE LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE.

well,county court system, case story* A father was forced to give up custody of a girl biological child,out of false accusation, No visits.after divorce, 6 months later the hospital put his name on birth records,no sign consent,for a boy child, they said legally his, default order sent,pays child support for DNAproof Not his child then the same,court system says he has rights to visitation.right to custody,is a legal father. Same court that says he is maybe unfit dad to one child says he,s trusting FitFather to visitanother child,Oh by the way the real biological father of the boy child is live'n with mother,court knows this, deadbeat real father has dui record, gets to drive girl child of payee's to school. Even if has been 6 month or 6 years court system does not follow the law. If they want you to pay ,take away your real biological child,force you to pay for a non biological child,so the mother can play house with her boyfriend,and children suffer. Lawyer know the game, agencys know DNAtest prove is there, thats way Default order is sent out in 14 days,it gives NOtime get DNA test in courts. Court agencys,mother should be sent a Default of fraud order, Why isn't there a law,to DEfault them If a court agency,hospital,lawyer,put a mans name on birth records,or child support order,without first,doing a pretrial proceeding,dna testPresumed then they all should be sent DEFAULT DEFRAUD order ""One person is given a right to justice, by law but then another person is denied a same rights"" just because agencys donot follow rules to the law Now a new law comes out puts a time limit,on the same justice rights,contradictions of law. Yet it gives up to 10 years for mother(person)to file claim to paternity,Why isn't the same justice RIGHT give to men(person)/nonGuilty,for same 10Yrs If your going to declared,freedom for justice and write new law to protect rights to innocent person then do it completely right first time. Law added to DEFAULT ORDERS, 722.717 DEFAULT ORDERS SHALL NOT BE SENT ,IF AN AGENCY OR COURTS KNOW OR KNEW OF DNA TEST PROOF PROFILE OF A NON PATERNITY,NON BIOLOGICAL ALLEGED FATHER. DEFAULT ORDERS SHALL NOT BE SENT, UNLESS THE FOLLOWING IS has been DONE FIRST,in this order, 722.714(6)DNApaternity is presumed,it's the law, 722.716 pretrial proceeding,order alleged father. then order of filtation,agency job duty. If a man knows he is NOT biological father with DNA test proof,he is done,must send it in to agencys ,lawyers,courts or mother must send dna test profile, along with the true biologicalnamed alleged father,before a default order fraud.

IF A WOMEN GET 6 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHOS YOUR DADDY, TAKES 6 YEARS FINE THE CHICKEN BASTARD, THEN INNOCENT NON NOT THE DADDY,DNA PROOF NON BASTARD SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO PAY FOR ANOTHER BASTARDS PROBLEM. WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR THE BASTARD CHILDREN OF THE WORLD, IF I AM NOT THE NON BIOLOGICAL FATHER, WITH DNA TEST PROOF, IT IS NOT MY BASTARD PROBLEM.SO WHAT THE COURTS LAWS ARE DOING,LETTING THE BASTARDBIOLOGICAL REAL FATHER ,GO OUT LET HIM GET AWAY TO MAKE MORE BASTARD CHILDREN,UNTIL BIO-BASTARD FINDS SOME SUCKER TO PAY IN 6 MONTHS. THEN BI0-BASTARD CAN LEGALLY GO MOVE IN,ACT LIKE DAD,GET PAYED.'WHERE DO I FIND ME A SWEET SET UP. JUST THINK,LEGISLATURES,COURT AGENCYS,JUDGES,ARE THE BIGGEST FOOL SUCKERS OF THEM ALL. SO HEAR THIS-COURT AGENCYS,MOTHERS,EXWIFES,JUDGES, LEGISLATURES, BETTER PAST A LAW THAT GIVES FREEDOM JUSTICE TO ALL, """IF I AM NOT,NOT BIOLOGICAL MAN OF A CHILD BORN'-DNA PROOF PROFILE-I AM DONE- IT IS NO LONGER MY PROBLEM-I BETTER HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE DNA PROOF,BETTER HAVE RIGHT NOT PAY SUPPORT, I BETTER HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIBERTY, I BETTER HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO BE ANOTHER MANS WORKSLAVE. COULD BE A MARCH ON EVERY COURT HOUSE IN MICHIGAN MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL MOVE TO ITALY MEXICO CANADA.

IF A WOMEN GET 6 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHOS YOUR DADDY, TAKES 6 YEARS FINE THE CHICKEN BASTARD, THEN INNOCENT NON NOT THE DADDY,DNA PROOF NON BASTARD SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO PAY FOR ANOTHER BASTARDS PROBLEM. WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR THE BASTARD CHILDREN OF THE WORLD, IF I AM NOT THE NON BIOLOGICAL FATHER, WITH DNA TEST PROOF, IT IS NOT MY BASTARD PROBLEM.SO WHAT THE COURTS LAWS ARE DOING,LETTING THE BASTARDBIOLOGICAL REAL FATHER ,GO OUT LET HIM GET AWAY TO MAKE MORE BASTARD CHILDREN,UNTIL BIO-BASTARD FINDS SOME SUCKER TO PAY IN 6 MONTHS. THEN BI0-BASTARD CAN LEGALLY GO MOVE IN,ACT LIKE DAD,GET PAYED.'WHERE DO I FIND ME A SWEET SET UP. JUST THINK,LEGISLATURES,COURT AGENCYS,JUDGES,ARE THE BIGGEST FOOL SUCKERS OF THEM ALL. SO HEAR THIS-COURT AGENCYS,MOTHERS,EXWIFES,JUDGES, LEGISLATURES, BETTER PAST A LAW THAT GIVES FREEDOM JUSTICE TO ALL, """IF I AM NOT,NOT BIOLOGICAL MAN OF A CHILD BORN'-DNA PROOF PROFILE-I AM DONE- IT IS NO LONGER MY PROBLEM-I BETTER HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE DNA PROOF,BETTER HAVE RIGHT NOT PAY SUPPORT, I BETTER HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIBERTY, I BETTER HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO BE ANOTHER MANS WORKSLAVE. COULD BE A MARCH ON EVERY COURT HOUSE IN MICHIGAN MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL MOVE TO ITALY MEXICO CANADA.

IF A WOMEN GET 6 YEARS TO FIGURE OUT WHOS YOUR DADDY, TAKES 6 YEARS FINE THE CHICKEN BASTARD, THEN INNOCENT NON NOT THE DADDY,DNA PROOF NON BASTARD SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO PAY FOR ANOTHER BASTARDS PROBLEM. WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR THE BASTARD CHILDREN OF THE WORLD, IF I AM NOT THE NON BIOLOGICAL FATHER, WITH DNA TEST PROOF, IT IS NOT MY BASTARD PROBLEM.SO WHAT THE COURTS LAWS ARE DOING,LETTING THE BASTARDBIOLOGICAL REAL FATHER ,GO OUT LET HIM GET AWAY TO MAKE MORE BASTARD CHILDREN,UNTIL BIO-BASTARD FINDS SOME SUCKER TO PAY IN 6 MONTHS. THEN BI0-BASTARD CAN LEGALLY GO MOVE IN,ACT LIKE DAD,GET PAYED.'WHERE DO I FIND ME A SWEET SET UP. JUST THINK,LEGISLATURES,COURT AGENCYS,JUDGES,ARE THE BIGGEST FOOL SUCKERS OF THEM ALL. SO HEAR THIS-COURT AGENCYS,MOTHERS,EXWIFES,JUDGES, LEGISLATURES, BETTER PAST A LAW THAT GIVES FREEDOM JUSTICE TO ALL, """IF I AM NOT,NOT BIOLOGICAL MAN OF A CHILD BORN'-DNA PROOF PROFILE-I AM DONE- IT IS NO LONGER MY PROBLEM-I BETTER HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE DNA PROOF,BETTER HAVE RIGHT NOT PAY SUPPORT, I BETTER HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIBERTY, I BETTER HAVE THE RIGHT NOT TO BE ANOTHER MANS WORKSLAVE. COULD BE A MARCH ON EVERY COURT HOUSE IN MICHIGAN MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL MOVE TO ITALY MEXICO CANADA.

fault. it's the bitches fault. she needs to know who the father is. she should get ONE TRY to get it right, or get nothing from the state, EVER. if she LIES, she gets NOTHING. if she has ANOTHER BASTARD CHILD, she gets NOTHING. if a woman says a man is the biological father, and d.n.a. tests prove otherwise, that man should get ALL OF HIS MONEY BACK PLUS INTEREST. the woman should get jail time. a woman should have to prove paternity before she gets one single dime from a man. d.n.a. tests are too common not to. that would end all this 'she says' nonsense. it would also go a long way towards ending the 'bastard problem' to begin with.

WELL OF COURSE I MEANT WHAT A JUDGE AND AGENCY SAID- "SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR BASTARD CHILDREN IN MICH." AND LEGISLATURE RUN TAIL UNDER THERE LEGS, WHEN THEAGENCYS WANT,THEY GET,DOES NOT MATTER ITS FRAUD ITS THE "CHICKEN BASTARD REAL FATHER" WHO RUNSAWAY AS SOON AS THE WORD CHILD SUPPORT MONEY MENTIONED. THEY KNOW THEN 6 MONTHS LATER,A NON-BIOLOGICAL MAN BECOME A PATERNITY SLAVE TO CHICKEN BIOMANBASTARD PROBLEMS PAY THEN A INNOCENT CHILD SUFFERS IN THE MIDDLE OF MOTHERS MISTAKE, OR EVEN DEFAULT ORDER FRAUD BY THE COURTS. MONEY HAS MORE VALUE,THEN A RIGHTS OF INNOCENT MAN OR 'BEST INTEREST OF CHILD CAUSE AFTER ALL COURTS SAID SOMEONE HAS TO PAY POINT, LEGISLATURE,JUDGES,DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS,THAT ARE IN BOOKS NOW,WHAT MAKE ANYONE THINK OTHERWISE. EVEN WITH DNA TEST PROOF, KNEW YOUR NOT FATHER 6 MONTHS BEFORE, HAVE TO PAYANYWAY,WHAT GOOD IS IT. ITS A CON MANEUVER MOTIVE,TO PLEASE ALL PROTEST RIGHT FOR JUSTICE,BUT THEY ADD,IF A MAN NEW HE WAS NOT THE FATHER DNA PROOF,HE STILL HAS TO PAY ,IT IS A TOTAL DEFAULT ORDER FRAUD, A PATERNITY SLAVE.

buccieri v campagna 2005 403 lexis 4176 #cached estoppel case paternity,that a court denied a man the rights to paternity relationship,cause he waited 8 years to claim it. used mostly to estop denial of paternity on fathers,but then court uses a estoppel to prevent father rights to be legal father,dna test -even when man wants to be dad. Rights used or given to one person should be equal justice rights to be given another,man or women. women can go after a man up to 8years forpaternity child support,use dna test rights.should be equal. Its all about mothers rights,not about a childs right to have a real biological daddy. pro and con is even kids that are adopted years later they seek out biological parent,it a right. granted it is a long wait,but equal rights still should be given to man, unwed child paternity or child not an issue of marriage. both equal rights. this law that says, if a man knew he was NOT daddy six month ago,dna proof,motion will be denied?? what?? so if a women knew a man was NOT dad with dna proof 6 month,or six years ago,motion will be denied to get child support. wheres equal rights? legislature and judges,court agency officers need to be replaced, canNot put if ands but,expects in law then Not make equal rights for both to use it.

Motion Denied if a "Man Knew He Was Not Biological sperm donor,Dna Proof 6 Month ago, Motion FRAUD. Senate is doing, allowing women the RIGHTS to claim Paternity dna Proof,get child support,but DENIED the same RIGHTS to another person. Then if a Women KNEW a Man was NOT biological sperm donor,dna proof,6Month Ago,Motion Should be Denied to Get Child Support. DisAllowing a DNA test Proof in Pretrial Proceeding first, then Saying Well you knew you were NOT guilty, so you have Pay cause you knew you were Innocent . WOW, what a DEAL?? GIVE A RIGHT TO LAW ONE PERSON THEN DENIED TO A SAME RIGHT BY LAW TO ANOTHER PERSON?? Yea IT IS Tricky Default order FRAUD-

Southbend Tribune.com 3/6/2007 Supreme Court won't hear Michigan PaternityAppeal. Under Mich.Law a husband(Charles)is presumed to be legal father if a baby is conceived in marriage. But LAW also-unless proven child is NOT issue of. Laws-legal father-if mans name is on birthRecord Affidavit Parentage,Declares fatherhood,dnaProof. (Barnes)BiologicalFather has 4 proven factors. Jeudevine(mother)doesNot allow a child a father. Question is,Why isn't Charles paying child support,after all Courts said,he is father,thats the reason court denied Barnes rights to be father Now child has 2fathers,only Barnes wants visits. Question is,Where is Best interest of Child? Supreme Courts use the LAW,husband's legal father. then uses Law to state,a legal fathers a man who's name is onBirthRecord,Affidavit,dna,declared Dad. So he has to payChildSupport.Then why isn't Barnes paying child support? So a ManBarnes who declares,AffidavitMother&Father DnaProof,name on Birth Record,is denied same right supreme court said it needs Affirmative Findings? Define AffirmativeFindings,like a Birth Record or Affidavit signed by Mother,or DnaProof, is there something missing. Oh sure a husband who is Not a Biological father,did Not want to be,Not to visit. and who does Not have to pay child support. So why is he called a legal father again? Clearly people who declare, legal father should pay,biology has nothing to do with it,then they use dna proof,to get child support,seems courts to Not follow LAWS. Laws Declared Charles not to be LegalFather,under lowerCourt Divorce. Thereby by Law,he is NOT. Question is How can Supreme Court use excuse of - Law-Charles(husband is assumed legal father.then ignored Law,of unless Not to be issue of marriage. Law state,if a man Knew he was Not father,dnaProof 6month,he has to pay anyway.this case does Not? Law state,if a Man knew he was bioFather,dnaProof, want to,6month/years,should Pay,this case doesNot. Did Supreme Courts just make a Legal Error of Law. Legislature should force Courts to follow the Laws or Start making Laws that give Same rights to all.

A New Paternity Law . Where? Where's the section Motion Granted at? wait,iam lookn no can't find it. Where's section Motion Denied for Women? who knew of dnaproof before,after? no,no its not there . Where's section Motion Denied if Court Agency knew of dna proof of Non Paternity or Fraud? wait, no no nothing there. Wheres section Motion Granted if a man is set up Paternity Fraud Relief? wait no no can't find it. Wheres section motion Granted if biological man is found?,then Relief for Non bio-man not to pay. wait no,don't see that anywhere. So Congress votes for Motion granted to vacate child support. then votes for Motion denied to use dna proof, if you knew your Not father. wait for it ,justice,wait, no no can't find it. I'd rather be a Dead Man,then to be another man's Paternity Fraud Slaves. Legislature must all be from old South,they keep voting for Paternity Slaves.

figured this out about a hundred years ago. we don't do it that way. we say that if a woman can't decide who's who in the zoo, then she get's no state or federal aid. we say that if she says that her husband is the father, and she comes up with a 'red headed step child', that the state will not order the husband to pay child support. not only that, if she does it, the husband has the option of getting an instant, no fault, no alimony, no child support, the wife gets nothing divorce on the spot. now that d.n.a. has come around, ANY AND EVERY case of contested paternity is tested, and if the husband is not the dad, the wife gets no other chances to 'stick' anybody else. in other words, she gets ONE SHOT at paternity. not several. blaming the wrong guy where i come from is called providing a false statement in court. it carries a one year prison term. and the courts use it regularly. maybe michigan will smarten up and follow suit. probably not.

I argree with everything but wait where is the motion grated for getting your name on the birth certificate, and actualy being able to make your kid go to school because her mother won't and you "Legally" have NO right's and the court won't help you because you have eveything already but you have to pay evrey week and you'r other three kids are straight A student's suffer also. Oh wait that's NOT HERE EITHER!

Court system or Judges need to follow the LAW ,who state- Husband/man is assumed to be legal father. UNLESS THE CHILD IS NOT AN ISSUE OF MARRIAGE. Court Judges or Lawyers and FIA agency need to be fired replaced if they do NOT follow that LAW. Legislatures put clause in there to protect child that is born during separation/divorce.Unless add on to protect man from fraud. Now that DNA proof has come along. Legislature wants to screw with it,put the words=MOTION DENIED,if a man knew he wasNOT the bioLogical man 6Month ago dnaProof. WHAT IF IT TAKES YOU 6 MONTHS TO GET DNA TEST DONE AGAIN-Legislature is being influenced by FIA,judge and mess'en up good LAWS that are already there, LAWS=A MAN/HUSBAND IS PRESUMMED TO BE LEGAL FATHER UNLESS A CHILD IS NOT NOT ISSUE OF THAT MARRIAGE. dna test must be enforced,pretrial proceedings. If a man wants to be legal father on birthRecords he needs to "forms Replace Add father" dna proof. or acted as dad before,during after child was born get legal custody in courts with mothers approved. THEREFORE DNA PROOF PRESUMMES A CHILD TO BE OR NOT TO BE THE CHILD OF THAT MARRIAGE. DNA PROOFS A MAN IS BIOLOGICAL FATHER,HE PAYS FOR. DNA PROOFS A MAN IS NOT BIOLOGICAL DAD,HE DOES NOT WRITE TO SENATORS,TO GOVERNOR,TENURE COMMISSION, JUDGES,FOC,NEED TO FOLLOW THE LAWS OR GET REPLACED

YEA, if a man is paying child support for child a court forced him to pay,if he is or is Not father. Then that man should have a 110% better get visits BUT of course common sense tells yea if a man is forced to pay for a child NOTbio-his then he may Not want to visit, then the Bio-Deadbeat trick dick can or the child will get NOvisits, child suffers again. children will be happy with realDAD Now WHERE IS BEST INTEREST OF CHILD AGAIN??? If legislature want to straighten out the courts and give children right to support and know Dad, Go after the biological father in first place. STOP forcing NONbio-Men into PATERNITY SLAVES. rights of Dads or Get real bio-father to pay. In the long run children will be better off if Real

FRIENDS OF COURTS sec.552.517 Review of child support order after final judgment modification,objections,motions.within 14 days. Marilyn Stephen director of child support office== said,a man is legal father when married at birth of child or signs affidavit.,He is given a option of dna test or not.if test proves not father suit is dismissed,if he is he pays.yea right BUT yet notice 14 daysDefault orders get ya before file motion dna. Then Debb Klein of the Virginia As.For Childrens enforcment Support said,",But how can a judge order someone Not to pay support and know that a child is going to be plumged into poverty?"> 1.First Marilyn the LAWS state pretrial DNA,then only Then can determined child to be or not to be a child of married,then a Man is LEGAL FATHER,see LAW states,UNLESS the child is NOT a issue of the of that marriage,thats the LAW>follow the LAW. 2.First Debb,follow LAW of PATERNITY ACT.and the factors MOTHERS should must be forced by laws to name real biological father,to do this DNA first. 3. Thereby the CHILD willNOT suffer,financially or loving bond matters. The biological father will want to VISIT if he has to PAY support. Whereas if a manSLAVENONBIOdad is forced to pay support for child NOT his,he will NOTwant to VISIT.HELLO 4.Yea,Where is the MOTION DENIED if a mother KNEW a MAN was NOT biological dad DNA6Months before???? STOP TRYIN TO HIDE THE FACTS OF DNA TEST REVIEWS IT IS THE DUTY OF MOTHER TO NAME BIOLOGICAL MAN. OPTION OF DNA TEST IT IS THE LAW,TEST FIRST THEN DEFAULT ORDERS IN 14 DAYS,IT IS THE DUTY OF COURTS OFFICE TO FOLLOW THE LAWS,DNA TEST,MOTHER CHILD ALEDGED FATHER.THEN GET SUPPORT.if its 1yr.or 10yr AS FAR AS HUSBANDS=Laws state he is assumed to be legal father,UNLESS it is determined the child is NOT issue of that marriage,only one way=DNA TEST. if a mother has a RIGHT to use DNA test get payed for support of children,then a husband/man should have legal right to use DNA test to NOT pay. 14 days is NOT enough time to get a women to buy a pair of shoes how can a Man or court force dnaTEST if a women has 6years to go after Man for support DNAtest,then MAN should get 6YEARS RIGHT to same DNAtest PROVEN INNOCENTs to MODIFY DETERMINATION. then she saids FOC decides to review or Not. HEY,the LAWS said,it is your JOB to review,not to decide to review. LAW said=how,who,is legal father Marilyn a MAN is LEGAL FATHER ONLY IF HE IS PROVEN TO BE THE LEGAL BIOLOGICAL FATHER,DNA OR ADOPTION.

Senate Bill-506/2007 Specify Putative Father (2)states,that gives a putative man,only 1 year to claim,or set court papers to proven fatherhood. (6)Except as otherwise stated,an action maybe done during pregnancy or at anytime before child is 18yr. Sounds great,so why haven't house members voted YES,yet. and Passed this needed law???????? This law will give biological father a right to get claim to fatherhood,dnatest Proven,and plus same tab give NONbiological Men,right to void childsupport,forced fraud,to children they know is Not theres. Now if only this will work,cause real bioFathers would have to be brave enough to apply. Heros are biologicalfathers who pay for thereKids. Mothers will have to be reality smart enough to to help file papers,get bioFather to help,then the courts will then order child support,honestly. Dreams of children is to know be family,real Dad. The legal RIGHTs to do whats Right

Judges need to go by Paternity Act Laws, and the New Senate Bill Needs to input,the right to appeal cases,even after the "Default Orders" gets to door in only 14Days before you can get a DNA Test done. Yes,it is MOTHERS who must tell the truth, only then should they get child support, COURTS system must go by "PaternityLaws"as written. Children best interest? have biological father PAY, VISIT,thats the bottom line. Legislation is only given a inch,to men who are NOT biologicalFathers,turning them paternitySLAVES AND IN TURN ALLOWING THE REAL BIOLOGICAL FATHERS TO GO OUT AND FATHER MORE CHILDREN,NOT PAY FOR IT. WOW!!!!,STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES OR WHAT. Thats like saying well court said I don't have to say who the real fathers are,cause they said its OK that you NONbiologicalFathers INNOCENT MEN have to pay anyway.ahah sucker senators.

Sixteen years ago, I informed Social workers, nurses, my legal aid attorney - every authority I came in contact with - that there was a chance my husband was not my child's biological father. I tried to do the right thing, and was told I had no other option because I was receiving state benefits. I, too, was deprived of an opportunity. The opportunity was to have a real father for my child, rather than have him grow up without one. This situation is wrong, yes. But do not blame mothers who have no more legal recourse than fathers do. This is the fault of the state.

Mothers and father sometime have to take matters of law into the courts themselves, get written legal papers,dna test,SCAO forms Acknowlegement of paternity forms,get father to sign,change birth records,all right forms to do whats right,cause seems clear Judges and fia,foc, ignores the laws . Mothers must stand up for their children,get the biological fathers to pay. SCAO FORMS IN COURT.