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Latest post 04-09-2012 12:18 PM by TaterSalad. 572 replies.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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No OFF SHORE DRILLING IN Great Lakes.
Too much tourism at risk, BAD idea
for PLANET. We have a responsibility.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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ACTUALLY alt. energy is huge "market" as is "global warming solutions"
Michigan would be wise to realize that.
We produced weapons as a solution to WWII.
We can produce green solutions to combat global warming. It's Michigan's chance to recover.
Take it BEFORE someone else does. Becasue they will.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Granholm getting help for state disaster.
Thank goodness. Channel 8 said it
it was the darkest they'd ever seen it
during the day there. EVER.
HMMMMM???????????????/
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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You have it wrong about the environmentalists. And you lost the argument at the outset, by using them as your demagogue's target.
My industrial experience is very pertinent to this discussion. The fact is, when the prospect for profits being made is good, what you call "tree-huggers" will not halt exploitation of resources. They will, however, keep pressure on to make sure the exploitation is done in a safe and sane way, so as to minimize negative impacts of the work.
I happen to believe -- from real experience -- that oil and gas exploration can proceed virtually anywhere without unduly imperiling the environment. For this, you can thank, rather than curse the environmentalists.
If politicians have failed to find the right balance between insistence that it is unwise to foul our nest and the desirability of exploiting natural resources, your beef is with the politicians you elected to office to represent the public's best interest.
Given the choice between a glut of cheap oil on the market or clean, potable water (for pertinent example), rational people invariably choose the latter. They have a long range view.
You have stated your position; I have stated mine. Your insistence in protracting the debate brings to mind these wonderful words: "Your presence on this site stirring the pot, is a waste of time to those who use it as a resource."
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Environmentalists only keep us from being greedy and self-destructive.
Their definition of progress and
that of those who worship "the market"
are different. I think we can have
a stable economy and not SCREW the
next generation, too.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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You make enough utterly stupid assumptions and guesses that you have become the prime laughingstock on this site of late.
Here’s your latest example:
>You sound like you work for the government. No doubt, you are writing these comments on company time. Thanks for contributing to the problem!<
Dunce. You couldn’t be more wrong. I work in the private sector, as I have for nearly all my working life except for a four year hitch in the US armed forces long ago. Right now, I happen to be self-employed, paying all the taxes and absorbing all the other headaches that go along with it. But I’m not whining or complaining. I also post here on my own time, using the computer that I bought and paid for with money earned by my own labor and nobody else’s. How about you?
Oh, and by the way, I don’t “sound” like anything here. This is a writing and reading only outlet for my views. No sound. What you hear must be the buzzing in your tnfoil hat.
You started this discussion by making the moronic statement that tree-huggers, as you derisively call them, have stopped oil and gas drilling in the United States.
The truth is, they haven’t.
I know this from the personal experience of having worked for a decade in the petro exploration industry, in Michigan, when the last really great drilling boom swept the state in the 1970s and into the 1980s.
Yes, the environmentalists were there, and perhaps wanted to stop the activity, but they didn’t. What came of their efforts though, was the evolution of procedures, work methods and machinery that made oil and gas development safer for the natural environment where the work takes place.
As a result of the pressure put on by people you disdainfully call tree-huggers, I am quite confident that oil and gas drilling today can be done just about anywhere without undue environmental destruction and degradation. That, in my view is far from a setback for our society, or for the oil business. It is serious and important progress.
That last great oil boom in Michigan tapered off to near dormancy when the supply of attractive drilling prospects pretty well dried up. Understand that is a somewhat fluid thing, based both on market forces, like the price of oil, and faith in the ability of geologists to decipher nature’s underground secrets. Tree-hugging has nothing to do with it.
Lately it looks like rising crude oil prices may be helping to stimulate Michigan’s oil industry. That is good news, both from the national oil supply perspective – if new oil exploration is successful in opening new fields – and from the employment perspective.
Heaven knows, Michigan sure can use some job-producing enterprise.
The oil industry is not especially labor intensive, but when there is significant ongoing exploration and development activity it does provide a fair number of jobs and decent livings for people who are willing to work.
That’s a good thing, especially when the work can be and is done in a way that respects and protects other vital natural resources, like groundwater. And for the latter, you might want to thank your local oilman and local tree-hugger alike. Both have played significant roles in making it possible and making it happen.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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If they try to utter the truth about global warming,
perhaps they beat them. How else do
they brainwash them like this.
It's amazing.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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The Moron now tries to run me off the site by telling me I have no business here, and threatening me. I quake and shake.
But I ain't going away.
What this is all about is, I had the audacity to suggest that "tree-huggers," whom the Moron evidently despises, are preferable to the rape-and-run crowd. Further, I had the audacity to disagree with the claim, based on fact verified by my own personal experience, that environmentalists have halted oil and gas drilling.
My opinions are based in fact.
I am all for oil and gas drilling, which I believe could come back to life as a very active industry in Michigan if crude oil prices and wellhead prices for natural gas stay high, and if attractive geological prospects are detected by industry scientists. Lots of ifs, virtually none of them involving environmentalists.
In fact, it is my opinion that pressure put on by so-called tree-huggers has brought about safer and cleaner oil exploitation work methods. Both factions -- industry and environmentalists -- have played significant roles in bringing this about, and the general public has benefitted, in my opinion.
As I've written before here, cheap oil is no bargain if it comes at the expense of reducing or threatening our potable water supply. Only morons or whacked out ideologues could reject that idea.
And even if morons and whacked out ideologues are made uncomfortable by my presence here, I'm unlikely to go away.
Breathe clean air. Drink clean water. Have a nice day. All sensible things to do.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Did anyone receive their Extension application?
I'm waiting for my Unemployment extension application in the mail. I called and they said they started sending them this week. I asked if I could just fill one out online. Of course, I was told, no, you have to just wait for it to come in the mail.
If anyone has received theirs, I'd love to know. I hope they're not just saying they have already been sending them out.
Thanks,
Sarah
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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It Will Be There Soon Princess
They just need to steal more from the productive first. It takes time you know. Go take a little nap and the mailman will be there when you get up. Don't forget to vote for mr. hope and change on november 5th
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