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Latest post 06-26-2009 7:50 AM by laryholland. 400 replies.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Just Try The Lawsuit Thing
It ain't that easy. The aclu doesn't want to do anything unless there is big publicity in it. Besides, I don't want to get in bed with the socialists. The cops here violate every rule and law there is and nobody calls them on it cause it makes big bucks for the cities and the state.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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I am proposing a new way to deal with this ridiculuos law. I propose that we give them until March 21st to repeal this law. If at that time, it has not been repealed. Then we catch a ride, walk, or ride a bike down to steps of the capital building, in Lansing. And assemble a protest. At which time, we fill out the Recall proposals for all the legislators, the Secretary of State, and the governor for helping develop, and pass this law. As well as, file the paperwork with the Federal court for a class action suit against the state. If everyone in this state that has had thier priviledges taken away, appears. Then we should have the signatures we need to get the job done.
Tell me something. IT's still "WE the People", Right?
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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The worst state to live in
I used to be proud to live in Michigan. We have the Great Lakes, and we were part of the north that helped the slaves escape from the south. W
e are the state that started the automobile industry, and we have had a rich tradition of being a great place to vacation in the summer time. Now we are living in a hell hole. We let our politicians destroy our livelihoods with unfair free trade agreements. We let our governments continue to pass more and more laws that suppress our free rights more every single day! We are no longer the home of the free and the brave. We are the home of the oppressed, and the meek!
Michigan has become a cesspool of a state for it's citizens. We don't need more laws and fines, we need less, lots less. We spend about 2 billion a year on incarcerating prisoners, and I assure you it will go up! We don't need police giving tickets for no proof of insurance! Hell, the proof should be part of the state records system! There is NO reason to have to carry a vehicle registration or proof of insurance in your car! You have to show proof of insurance to get your registration at the secretary of state! This is the most bogus law ever eneacted! Just another stupid law to suck money from law abiding citizens! Seat belt laws are equally stupid! I'd be okay if they issued a ten dollar fine, and absolutely no driver responsibility fees for that infraction. If you are so stupid that you do not realize that the seatbelt will save your life, then you may deserve a tap on the wrist, but not a huge fine!! That can destroy your life!
Both our state and federal governments are responsible for the decline of Michigan and our country. Open borders, unfair freetrade agreements, massive taxes on everything, declining wages....and yet, these idiots in Lansing think we can afford to be fined two or three times for the same traffic violation? This is so unConstitutional that it almost is on par with the unPatriotic act! We are no longer a government by the people, for the people...We are a country with one of the most oppressive governments since Hitler ran Germany! Gas will probably reach $4 or $5 per gallon event though we have the largest oil reserves on the planet on the north slope of Alaska! They just won't release it to drive the price down!!!
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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You Need To Study A Little
"We are a country with one of the most oppressive governments since Hitler ran Germany! Gas will probably reach $4 or $5 per gallon event though we have the largest oil reserves on the planet on the north slope of Alaska! They just won't release it to drive the price down!!!"
The culprit here is not the government. The reason we have gas at 4 bucks is because the tree huggers won't let the oil companies drill or refine. Here's a good question for all the government educated...If you choke of supply and demand stays the same, what do you think will happen to the price? it ain't the oil companies fault. They run on about a 10% profit margin. The state makes lots more on a gallon of fuel than the oil companies. Don't believe all the liberal pablum you've been fed. The world isn't going to burn up, the ice caps are growing, greenland was once green and is now covered with 25 feet of ice, drilling for oil does not hurt anything and after the Alaskan pipeline was put in the caribou herd size exploded.
Wake Up Greenies, You're Being Used By Folks That Don't Give A Hoot About You Or The Planet.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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How can it be, that the people are so unknowing. Once again, there are moe than trees in the forest. There are predators in them thar woods.
This is not a law. This is a distibution of power. The power is taken from the citizen, and given to a third party. This law was not put to a vote. More like an accord, Savvy? The SOS was looking for a way to provide revenue to the state. When the management falls down, the blame, or penalty is put on the worker. The powers at be decided tha since they have made bad decisions, both in industry and money cash distribution. That their bad judgement must be reconciled by the people. After all, we are the ones who elected them. Now the SOS is generating a huge amount of income for the state. And she is being held in high reguard. When a state is 9 billion dollars in debt, it is not a deficit. It is bankrupt! And who is gonna pull us out of bankruptcy? We are. Who else? The legislators, and the govorner are reaching into our pockets to keep them in their SUV's. Unfortunately for them, I used my lint in trade for toothepaste and a cookie. Nothing left in there. Look somewhere else!
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Why are we no questioning?
Why are we sitting in our little rooms bitching? Why are we not looking for a way to impeach these oveeducated dimwhits? We are the masters, they are the servants. Does nobody remember this. Does nobody care? Are we just going to hang on everything they say like it is gospel? Are we just gonna follow them to the foulest pits of hell an desolation? When is someone gonna do something that couldn't be construde as an act of terrorism? Do we lack the integrity to stand up for our rights? Is anyone REALLY listening? Are we so devided, that we can't even stand next to eachother? What do I tell my children when they ask "Why did you let it get this bad?"
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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NO fault..ha Its always YOUR fault
Did you know that even if your car was home in the garage and you were riding with your Niece and some county( wexford) road truck ran them off the road and never stopped and you were in a roll over accident that YOUR car insurance has to pay your hospital bills and then your ins goes up .. oh they say it dont but it DID !! Thats our NO FAULT ins law it should be YOUR fault not nofault~ Does anyone know how to get it repealed??
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mikedeez2g


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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I am very discouraged, I received a DUI and I wasn't even drinking or under the influence of anything. I moved to Dearborn Michigan and I can home one night and the police (my neighbors around the block who are officers) stopped me while I was walking up my driveway. Melissa Krot said that I ran a stop sign on a street I was never on and then arrested me for dui and gave me 8 other tickets, I was then told that Niggers was not allowed in Dearborn.
I was not given any test until we got to the station I passed the Breath test twice with 00% but she still charged me with OUIL. She lied in the police report and then claimed that I refused to take the test which I didn't so they took my license. During this whole time I had no defense the judge took her word for it and put me in jail. I had a clean record totally clean never had a ticket in my life not even a parking tickets. But all of a sudden I move to Dearborn Michigan and became a Person who drinks and drives, speeds, runs stop signs all in one night. Well the way these laws are set-up allows for abuse to take place, Since then I lost my insurance, I lost my job, I can't get hired anywhere, I had to move, All because of racist cops and a legal system that don't allow you to defend yourself against the charges. Not only that they lied at the secretary of state hearing and I lost my license for a year and now I have to pay Drivers responsibility. I hate Michigan for being such a unfair state, I plan on moving as soon as I can because M.A.D.D has a huge grip on the politics in this state. And the worst part about it is that I just happen to get harassed by some racist cops and they had the power to take everything from me. And also a DUI stays on your record for life in Michigan you cannot get it removed so Im screwed forever. I could not believe it and I didn't do anything thats whats frustrates me the most.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Your not telling the truth
Our research found you had a bac more then double the legal limit and 2 independent witnesses observed you fail to stop for the stop sign. You were found guilty due to the traffic stop was on video, good police work and honest citizens who testified well.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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im not paying 3000 more i allready payed 7000 and it was half a decade ago
i allready payed 3000 spent 60 days in jail payed 2700 in probation 30 a day to stay in jail. i know i deserved most of this the night in 03 i was in an accident with my ex she was trashed blacked out i was honestly quite sober and she wouldnt take no for an answer to get her and her friend hom,e we were at my friends of like 10 years and was with friends i knew for 15 years or so she was spiting at nme and swearing and screaming she was such a mess after a while she was at the point where i could only understand a word or 2 out of 15 20 in the car she fliped out again and went nuts had her back up against the doorkicking with her whole body and she was like 5 ft 9 all legs and got me in the face and i hit a phone poll the cops booked me and let me out on no bond. she was at the hospital she was OK the cops droped me off where she was. not 10 minutes after i was there they told her she was pregnant i was happy but scared. she just started crying. she knew i was going to jail for a lil bit she knew i wouldnt be driving for the next half decade i tryed to find a job close to her school cause cheap apartments are allways near colleges also it would save money in gas and things loike that the area had everything within a few miles school, stores hospital ha dfamily near to help if i had to work and she had school. but she knew without me driving i would stay in school or find a good job i would be cooking for 8-9 an hour and she was right i havent made any money in 2 years. she didnt want the kid i went to jail i explained all this to the judge. im shure he heres that every day im not special. im not a bad person and i would have not taken anythoing for granted he he gave me a lil break. i havent touched a drink sence 2003. i look for work now ionly 2 3 days a week. cant get hired anywhere they do a backround chgeck. but while i was in jail she had an abortion but not before she dumped me she didnt tell me about the kid untill after i got out. after that she destroyed her self with drugs and she died. i wasnt going to post the beginning i worte the rest b 4 what i just wrote its out of order . i passed the all sobriety tests blew a .08 and this is what happened. this was in 2003 i can try to get my lisense back 08-08 so 5 years w/o i had to quit school i lost my lease and am making hardly any money actually i am not making anything. i lost my license at 18 when i was stupid, then again when i was 23 also very stupid. loseing my license so young the first tiume i would have been able to bounce back if i wasnt a mess at the time i got it back. i joined the air force in 2001 i left for lackland afb on sept 25 2001. was home on October 28 2001, i was doing my 2 and a half mile run and my fingers and lips turned purple and turned numb, the doctor said i had a mummer so i was not in a good place i joined because i wanted to do something that mattered and at the same time get out of debt i was up to 25000 by age 22it is scary oweing that much money exspecally without many skills just some college credits in a time where a associates or ba is nothing when everyone seems to have an associates in something. the manager at subway has an associates in business. i have friends who have masters and one even a dr and the 1 with the dr is the only 1 to find a job in what he went to school for. one has and also saw it as a way to . i can only work for a place close enough for me to walk. my life kinda sucks but maybe i deserve some of it i dont know. all this is all true and i did learn my lesson it took alot but i have. but i payed enough for my bad judgement and you say boo hoo i know you have skeletons every one does your just so smug and i bet your closet is full of them hence they holier than attitude
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ddpifer


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Caswell rises above the others in Lansing.
Mr. Caswell, I would like to thank you for reversing a law which should never have been instituted in the first place, to put it bluntly was everyone asleep at the wheel when this was passed? I moved to Atlanta Georgia in 1998 and just came back full time about a year ago. When I first came back I couldn't believe it, the entire state had gone to H___, and we now had a Canadian govenor. There are many observations that I could go into but suffice it to say that living in this state now compared to when I left is one continuous hassle after another. Its no wonder that the best and the brightest (all of my friends) have left the state and the only ones left are the 90 percent who can't get out, and the few that have businesses or family obligations here and of course a state government who is feeding at the trough while they still can although I haven't seen much evidence of any leadership but mostly talk and arguments between the Republicans and Democrates I guess in order to live up to a false reality that a couple of hundred citizens who still can be mind controlled into thinking that there is acutally any difference between them as if there ever was. I first learned of this "Driver Responsibility" act when I went a couple of weeks ago to renew my license and was told that I could not because there was an "issue" with the state of Ohio and it was at this time that I learned that against the majority wishes of the citizens of this state that our government officials have fed us to the federal lambs and joined the "Real ID" act anyway. I was told that my Ohio drivers license needed to be reinstated for 425 dollars by the state of Ohio department of motor vehicles but the funny thing is that I have never resided in Ohio nor had I ever applied for an Ohio drivers license and yet I had one complete with a MI address? How could this be possible. So, because this act which was only passed to make money because there isn't anyone in the state leadership that can read the book by Richard Florida called "The rise of the creative class" nor is there anyone creative enough to spur new industries because simply put its so much easier to pass new taxes and fees to the remaining population and get as much money from them before they too one day wake up and pack the U-Haul to leave to get away from this State's nonsense when there are so many other States that gets what it means to reign in spending, and cater to the lucrative creative class. So, there I was in the MI secretary of state office and basically my state had left me to the whims of the 49 other states and the feds to fend for myself nevermind that other states have laws that our Supreme Court has struck down as unconstitutional but yet the same state enforces those laws if a citizen is entrapped in another state and given a ticket by using the unconstitutional laws or perhaps some of the states that still to this day have rampant police corruption such as for many years the police in the State of Georgia who looked at Michiganders as easy prey even if they weren't speeded because Michiganders would pay cash and get on their way to Florida and hence the reason we were for many years a non reciprocal information sharing state. Yes my state has left me without a valid drivers license but I don't need one to drive my car it still drives the same either expired or renewed. I then had to hire a lawyer to investigate this and as of today looks like I have had my identity stolen. I don't agree with the act as it does nothing to make anyone a better driver, heck I also found out that one doesn't even have to take a written test anymore which explains the state of affairs with the drivers I have encountered and observed since I have moved back from Georgia. I then started asking friends and other peers about this act and I heard nothing but foul language and then was educated how many of them were paying 250 or more just to have their Drivers License made legal. It also explained the many people who I have met who are all driving around with expired drivers licenses and i couldn't understand why they were but now I totally understand. If one doesn't have the money to pay the ransom to another state to get their license and it usually is in the hundreds if not thoughsands esily then people just drive around illegally because either they don't have the money, the knowledge or drive to get through the maze of the state procedures or simply don't know where to go or who to contact and of course the state doen't offer any free legal aid for these people. I really have to ask is this the type of citizen Lansing wants? The poor and downtrodden who don't have the money or drive to get all of paperwork done to get another state to release there liscense so they drive around in fear looking at all of what has become a swarm of cop cars everywhere since I hve moved back. I spoke to a guy from Arkansas who emailed me and told me that he had moved here two years ago and could not wait till his company transfered him out of here because of this and many other similar policies all designed to make the state more money. I could go into further detail but need to stop. I already had enough volunteers in the Detroit area to stand outside of secretary of state offices and get signatures for a ballot initiative that would repeal this law. Bottom line, Lansing needs to wake up and study other states which are having successes that attract people to their states anddoesn't spur its citizens to leave.
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ddpifer


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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other ballot initiatives I am considering
1)The citizens of Michigan only need a part time unicameral form of state government. We do not need republicans or democrates at the state level we need representatives who are going to do whats in the best interests of the people.
2)A ballot initiative to get unemployement to mean everyone in the state who is unemployed or underemployed and not just mean those that are recieving unemployment insurance aid. Then we would see the real unemployment rate in the high teens or low twenties.
3)Repeal of the driver's repsonsibility law. This one looks like it has already occured.
4)We need to enact a law that imposes a tax on foreign cars to equal what they have stolen from our standard of living, so foreign car tags should cost between 6K-9K to cover loss of jobs, health care and loss of tax revenue.
Citizens of Michigan each of us has the reponsibility to do something to take this state back from the feds and our state officials until we can get them out. Do not wait for any government official to do anything for you. Trade Policy starts with each of us, if we don't buy then the cheap crap doesn't come in. Also, voting for the same people over and over again and expecting the same result I think is the definition of insanity. The state should purchase the book by Richard Florida entitled "The rise of the creative class" http://www.creativeclass.com to see why anyone who can get out of this state leaves and doesn't look back!
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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It's March 21 - So where's the protest demonstration?
It's 11:15 am, March 21. At least two TV stations are at the state Capitol looking for the "bad driver fee" protest demonstration. Presumably they are snarking that no one showed because the victims couldn't drive there.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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driver responsivility law
THEY HAVE NO LICENSE TO DRIVE THERE@!If it could get posted in enough counties, I am sure there would be enough people Who ever introduced this bill and supported it, their names should be posted and us citizens remember them when it comes to election time. If that bill isn't acted on by the end of the yeear, IT DIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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driver responsivility law
THIS BILL NEEDS TO BE REPEELED NOW!!!! IF IT ISN'T BY THE END OF THE YEAR, IT DIES.........WHAT'S NEXT? BACK TO HORSE AND CARRIAGES. WE NEED EVERY PERSONS NAME THAT VOTED FOR AND INTRODUCED IT AN GET THEM POSTED BEFORE TIME FOR RE ELECTION. THIS IS SO OUTRAGES. BY THE END OF THE YEAR, HOW MANY MORE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY THIS KIND OF GREEDY BLACKMAIL
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Somthing else to think about
Did you know Michigan court houses are running out of money and are being run by some people of the mob. In order to save the court house they have to raise money. The best way is to run rackets on the NORMAL CITIZANS who don't know whats up. Heres how it works, First they have to do it and get away with it. Legalized by public act. Dirty cops find suspects Gulty or not it doesn't matter. Collect DRIVERS RESPONSABILITY FEES. Next they have a maximum amount of time before they have to give the money to the state. So they use every bit of it they can. How, Now they hold the money in a bank acount to collect the intrest of it. When it comes time for the state to collect they simply give up the money and keep what they made from the intrest. Save ther job, save the courthouse, pocket the money for themselfs, In the process screwing us. It's not our fault the St. Josph, Michigan Court house is run by the BLOODS or crips "WHAT EVER". How about I get my money back and the intrest, or you can learn how to run your own court house. Whats really exiting is they'er not just blacks and young people there's old people too.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Adam Smith on why this is bad law
"A tax may either take out or keep out of the pockets of the people a great deal more than it brings into the public treasury . . . by the forfeitures and other penalties which those unfortunate individuals incur who attempt unsuccessfully to evade the tax, it may frequently ruin them, and thereby put an end to the benefit which the community might have received from the employment of their capitals."
Wealth of Nations
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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so a couple of weeks ago i was with my younger sister & a bunch of her friends, we were all in this old gun range that is shut down which is also on privet property. we were having a bonfire & most everyone was drinking, I'm 21 & their all under the legal drinking age (besides for a guy that showed up right when the police came). i was not the supplier, i actually do not know where they got the alcohol from, I'm sure it was through someone who they knew that was old enough or through some idiot that sold it to them cause they don't care about the law just the money. well the police had showed up, gave everyone besides for me & the other adult breathalyzers, most everyone besides us & three other people got taken to the police station. i just got notice that I'm being charged for "not telling a minor to quite drinking". i don't understand how their able to charge me with something like that, how much of an impact would it have on them if i was to say "HEY! you know, you guys really should stop drinking, yet I'm going to sit here & drink along the side of you". yes, a very very very bad choice on my end but i knew nothing was going to stop these kids from doing what they went there to do. since this is a "free" country that is restricted by some ridiculous laws since I'm getting in trouble for someone else's choices. I'm just absolutely baffled by this. is it real? can i really be charged with something of the sorts? any information would be very useful.
thanks so much
(By the way yes i am from Michigan)
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