Michigan Votes Forum

He just has the most money.

That's the tv station I heard it on. Seriously lol

scheme and Amway trial?

Anyone? Bueller?

millions of dollars for devos. thousands of jobs lost for jennie.

like him, they made him a multi-millionaire. the only reason to vote for granholm is to keep the state the way it is, FAILING.

and get rich quick guide books to the little people of Michigan. Lack of integrity in a cult-like business.

okay, cult like? business is business. cults are RELIGIONS. jennie is "making money" by taking it by force. she never met a new tax she didn't like.

Super Scary!

I'm serious.

what's so scary about people doing business?

to a weight watchers meeting. THEY are cult like.

BUT IT DOES MATTER. AT LEAST SOME. AND AS FOR "LITTLE GUY".... DEVOS IS. HE IS A SHORTY! HE NEEDS SOME PLATFORM SHOES! :) ***VOTE GRANHOLM***

DEVOS WAS SWEATING BECAUSE HE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS! SO INSTEAD HE JUST EVADED THEM. GRANHOLM ANSWERED EVERY SINGLE ONE! ***VOTE GRANHOLM***

***VOTE FOR OUR INTELLIGENT AND TRUSTWORTHY GOVERNOR JENNIFER GRANHOLM*** Jennifer Granholm SMOKED DeVos in the debate! She blew his a** right out of the water! AND, he was EVASIVE to EVERY SINGLE QUESTION! C'MON. TELL THE TRUTH, DEVOS!!! AND GIVE A DIRECT ANSWER!!! HOW HARD CAN IT BE??!!! He can't speak any better than George Bush! MY GAWD! And what a little (literally) weasle looking man. Those too-close-together beady-eyes of his... UGH. UNbelievable. He is NO MATCH for Jenni. She answered every single question DIRECTLY AND ACCURATELY. TOO BAD DEVOS CANNOT SAY THE SAME! AND... what's up with those income tax statements of his that he did not release???!!! And his $2,000,000.00 INVESTMENT IN THE ALTERRA NURSING HOME CHAIN THAT ABUSED THEIR ELDERLY RESIDENTS?!!! UHUH. SOMETHING TO HIDE. FOR SURE. and... that FAKE, CONSTANT SMILE [GRIN] OF HIS! Get REAL!!! GRANHOLM HAS GOT DEVOS BEAT BY FAR!!! DEVOS IS DISHONEST, EVASIVE, AND GREEDY! REPUBLICAN. GO FIGURE!!!!!!!!!! A PERSON WOULD HAVE TO BE CRAZY TO VOTE FOR HIM!!! QUOTE: "The More You Know About Dick DeVos The Worse It Gets! No wonder Michigan's own erstwhile Michael Huffington wannabe is so darn secretive about his financial holdings! What else is the Dick hiding from Michigan's voters? What else is DeVos hiding with his smoke screen on his financial investments? Dick DeVos is the first candidate for Governor in at least the last 60 years who refused to disclose the sources of his income and his actual holdings. But I guess if you profit from abusing senior citizens, you certainly must have a lot other things to hide. Someone with the time needs to check the 527s that Bush used in his effort to abolish Social Security to see if DeVos's RAD PAC or any of his other known holdings helped finance the attack on Social Security. Someone also needs to explore and expose the Dicks relationship to Ed Buckham. There is one sleazy fellow who worked for the Dick and others."

Here are some “figures” that should interest you. A Kaiser Foundation fact sheet regarding teen sexual activity reports Center For Disease Control stats for 2003 showing that 47% of 9-12th grade students reported having had sexual intercourse. Some 62% of 12th graders and 33% of 9th graders had been sexually active (intercourse). According to a Focus on the Family fact sheet, which also relies heavily on CDC data, sexually transmitted diseases infect nearly half of young people in the age 15-24 bracket. HPV – which causes 99% of cervical cancer in women – infects 30% of adolescent girls and young women. The CDC recommends vaccination against the strain of HPV implicated as a cause of cervical cancer (which causes 3,700 female deaths a year) at an age before a girl is likely to become sexually active. Thus the age 11-12 (just pre-6th grade) age recommendation. The CDC warns that the vaccine will not work if a woman has already acquired HPV. All this turned up in a 5-minute internet search.

You sound ANGRY.

at this site reflect forced opinion and feeling. For data the news is reflected. Spell casters...I mean news casters...I'm so confused. Let's see...it was on TV so it must be true. Political bias replaces the ability to reason. Laying on the couch and drinking beer replaces the pursuit of knowledge. "hey little Billy!" The lack of humility, rational thought and concern for your neighbor's rights is staggering. The "tares" are visible. I of course reference the "wheat field". What wheat field, what's he talking about?

if he got rich selling beer farts at a thousand dollars a pop, he GOT RICH.

several of my questions but thanks. What is the call out for Michigan? Is the Senate responding to a "national" or "state" crisis? What is the ratio of secular to non-secular? Finally, your data reflects action that is non-traditional. This suggests a change in the behavior of society. Question: Is promiscuous sex, regardless of age, permissible in our society? If the answer is yes...then the transmission of STDs WILL increase. Disease will continue to spread. Not to mention, abstinence is now "unfashionable". Back to the 60's?

It took the Twin Towers to bring people together. Yet, we argue about the safety of children and the family. You verify my position with your comment. In other words, if you're raising your children with sweeping freedom...the result is the spread of STDs. What don't people see, I don't get it. If the Church is being critiqued hold on, I agree. Main Stream Christianity has got it wrong and they are part of the problem. I claim to be a Christian but, I have stepped back and taken a new look. Agnostics, thesis and feminists have a point. Our group has been hypocritical and immoral. We don't practice what we preach and I have been just a guilty. Now it's time for the other side to step up.

we forgot how to read.

It's going to be quite a ride.

But really the wrong place for it. "Question: Is promiscuous sex, regardless of age, permissible in our society? If the answer is yes...then the transmission of STDs WILL increase. Disease will continue to spread. Not to mention, abstinence is now "unfashionable". Back to the 60's?" The fact is, promiscuous (or out-of-wedlock) sex is prevalent in our society, whether or not any of us like or wish it that way. You can protest rthe facts, but that won't make them go away or change reality. As for wanting facts about Michigan and STDs, or the difference between "religious" and "secular" people and STDs, do your own homework. You have a computer, an internet connection and a search engine. And, what is essentially wrong with Michigan responding to national issues? Are we an island? Provincial thinking has put this state in a fix already. Let's not make it worse.

is "do we want to be FORCED to have our children vaccinated for a disease that is sexually transmitted?" the majority of us DON'T disagree that cancer is a bad thing. the majority of us DON'T disagree with the vaccine, or it's use. what we DO disagree with is being 'TAKEN OUT OF THE LOOP' and FORCED to do something, with no choice, no input, no "say so". it's a CONTROL issue disguised as a HEALTH ISSUE. we object to this being 'JAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS'.

"as we would like to be treated" is a nobel concept. and it works in MOST situations. the most practical method is to treat people the way that they deserve. the unique situation this legislation deals with is NOT day to day interaction, but rather, how our society deals with it's worst. for thousands of years, society has shunned those who don't obey the laws. for thousands of years, society has dealt with it's "worst" in a swift and certain way. they have been punished by being put to death, removing the "threat" from society permanently. whether or not this punishment has kept the "worst" from doing their "worst" is beside the point. it was punishment pure and simple, treating murderers in the way that they deserve. michigan made a "radical" departure from that convention 170+ years ago, and has been paying the price for it ever since, leaving it's citizens to deal with the consequences of it's decision. in the end, michigan has decided to treat it's LEAST deserving people in a way that they DO NOT DESERVE.

for posting this in the wrong thread, sorry.

A SB 1416 critic posts: “what we DO disagree with is being 'TAKEN OUT OF THE LOOP' and FORCED to do something, with no choice, no input, no "say so".” And who could disagree with that? Which, no doubt that is exactly why the version of the bill that passed in the Michigan Senate has an opt-out provision. Here’s what this very web site says about it: “Passed in the Senate (36 to 1) on September 20, 2006, to require the parents or guardian of every female child entering sixth grade in a public or nonpublic school to either have the child vaccinated with the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine, or sign a statement to the effect that he or she had received information schools would be required to distribute on the connection between HPV and cervical cancer, and had elected for the child not to receive the vaccine.” Any reasonable reading of that statement leads to the conclusion that parents are very much in the loop, are not coerced to do anything against their will (except maybe having to actually confront the and make a decision about the issue of vaccination for HPV when they don't want to), definitely have a choice, definitely have input in respect to the vaccination decision, and definitely have the final say-so about whether or not their children will be vaccinated against HPV.

Yeah. It's a choice. How long will that last, do you think? The seat belt violation was supposed to be a "secondary offense." It's now primary. The legal threshold for impaired driving is now down to .02 BAC. Two-hundredths of one percent? That's like, what, rinsing with a little Listerine in the morning? Drunk driving offenses are charged against Michigan driver's licenses, even though the vehicle is a boat being operated on a lake and no operator's license is even required. Michigan's got the incrementalism thing down pretty well. So I wouldn't hold out any hope that the "choice" will be around any longer than it takes the sheeple to get used to idea that this vaccination is a requirement. Moreover, the law places the onus on the parent to avoid the thing. Personally, I don't expect that someone will approach me at work and stick a needle in my arm because I didn't go down to HR a week earlier and sign off an affirmation that I didn't want a flu shot this year. Why should anyone's kid have to worry about the same thing happening at school? (Although not part of the bill, I do tend to think that they will be making these vaccinations "available" at schools.) But how about the last part of the bill? A new beauracracy is to be created that will recommend new and additional vaccinations to the legislature. If not accepted or rejected within 45 days, the additional recommended vaccinations will be similarly required. I agree with those who think this is over the line. Jim Arvada, CO

about incrementalism once the legislature starts messing around with anyrthing individual rights stand in grave jeopardy even when it's something the sheeple think they want like self defense against cancer

YOU ARE 100% CORRECT

go into the senate before someone (finally) decided to put an "opt out" clause in the thing. how is it the government's business whether or not my daughter gets a vaccination anyway? it's not like the state is going to give up any of my tax money to pay for her cancer treatment... (yeah, right) the state of michigan's answer to every problem is a mandate, never a CHOICE. why is that?

I think it is important to recognize that the young girls receiving the vaccine will eventually grow up, graduate high school (hopefully), graduate college (really hopefully), and go into the world as mature responsible adult women. And as someone who considers herself a mature responsible woman, I can tell you that events happen along the way that you never could have predicted. Aspirations, decisions, loves, and values can change and evolve. Mistakes of all sorts are always made along the way to adulthood. It is the learning from these mistakes that we find out who we really are. This is how maturity is earned. Fortunately, if the right decisions are made in advance to prepare for any possible mistakes, unfair, or unforeseen circumstances that might arise, our daughters can handle the situation and move on with life. This vaccine is another wise preparation for an unknown future, just as seatbelts, spare-keys, and insurance policies allows us to survive, and continue to thrive, when circumstances we hoped and prayed would never come, and lived our lives in a manner to prevent, find us anyway. Not that it’s ever happened to anyone else, but what if she makes a poor decision about the seriousness of a relationship when she’s 16, or 18, or 24? What if she’s assaulted? What if the man she eventually falls in love with as a virgin bride has the virus but doesn’t know it (because men tend to be asymptomatic)? What if in any of these cases she was prepared with a vaccine, how could that change the outcome and her ability to overcome and move on with life? Our daughters need to be protected BEFORE a situation comes up, not once they realize they are in too deep.

Here's the skinny on this bill. This bill is in an "opt out" format for a very simple reason: making the vaccine mandatory will require it to be paid for for those who cannot afford it or health insurance. All parents still have a choice, which itself is important. With an "opt in" policy, there is no mandate for coverage. Read this from Nancy Gibbs' article on TIME.com about the argument that it should not be mandatory but decided on by parents: "sounds incredibly reasonable. Who can disagree with parents making health decisions for their children? But take a closer look at that argument: it's denying the vaccine to many people who won't have access to it unless it's mandatory." Many parents might not know to ask for it, or be able to afford it. "If it's available in theory but it costs $375, its not available to everybody. If it's only effective before women have been exposed to HPV, we've missed our opportunity." Besides, she says, every state already has a law allowing parents to decline vaccination on religious grounds without their kids being banned from school. But "by making it mandatory, you make it accessible."

Crushed jenny tonight. Jenny you are fired!

Did you see the dabate? DeVos clearly won. Jenny keeps telling a bunch of lies. The bottom line is ....Are we better off now than we were 4 years ago? Vote DeVos!

You are fired!

to make it mandatory to make it accessable. all you have to do is offer it at no cost to the public. "mandatory" is ALL ABOUT CONTROL.

Nice Moles.......

jenny ...You are fired!