Michigan Votes Forum

is there anybody out there sticking up for the middle class and the poor? yes. the unions.only the rich could draft a bill to make it a law to pay people less.it's a great bill that will make the rich,richer.if your in favor of this one your definitly rich or poor and stupid

of corse it cost less to fix louisianna.you got paid less. just out of curiosity how does it feel to know you did the same job as others but got paid less? also let me know who you worked for so i can find out how much money they made off of you. you are indeed a crazy cajan

how does it feel to raise everyone's prices for cars? how does it feel to raise everyone's prices for everything else? how does it feel to have elected our gloriously innefective governor, and have no hope of electing anything else but another gloriously innefective governor? how does it feel to have aligned yourself with an association that harbors organized crime? how does it feel to have aligned yourself with an organization that pays people exhorbitantly high salaries only to extract extortion from them in exhorbitantly high amounts? how does it feel to have paid union dues? i wouldn't know, i get paid what i get paid WITHOUT having to pay union dues. how does it feel to be stolen from? how does it feel to have organized crime in your home? how does it feel to have KNOWN associations to murderers? how does it feel to have killed off several industries? unions have done all that and you STILL willingly associate with them. you must feel SOME guilt having financed the guys that killed jimmy hoffa, one of your own.

parrot the lines of the early communists? why not call 'the people' "THE PROLITARIATE"? karl marx did. he IS your hero, isn't he? you seem to believe in everything else he did. don't you feel that 'the prolitariate' has the brains to figure out life for themselves? of course not. only the union can think for you. don't you feel that 'the prolitariate' has the brains to figure out how to solve their own problems? of course not. only the union can decide what's right for you. don't you feel that 'the prolitariate' has the brains to figure out how to educate their own children? of course not. only the union can properly educate 'the masses'. don't you feel that 'the prolitariate' has the right to decide what's best for them and their family? of course not. only the union can give you what you need.

if you don't belong in a union, you don't exist. if you DO belong in a union, you live in a COMMUNE. a COLLECTIVE where everyone works for those who WILL NOT WORK. where EVERYONE IS EQUAL no matter how superior you are. "from each according to his skills, to each according to his needs"

to be so thoroughly indoctrinated by UNION SCHOOLS that you CANNOT SPELL CAJUN?

simple when we unite as citizens we are more powerful.when we unite as workers we are more powerful.whenever we unite on any level we become more powerful.whenever we are united we have unionized. calling it communism is a term conservatives like to call it to demonize it. communism was a form of government that was used to control people not empower them

"communism was a form of government that was used to control people' Then why do union people march in lockstep and do everything the good union bosses tell them to do? How many of your comrads stray from the pack and vote for someone other than who they are told to? "calling it communism is a term conservatives like to call it to demonize it." You couldn't be more wrong. We call it communism because it is. The ruethers went to moscow for 6 months to learn how to set up a union. In the union everybody is the same, joe is as good a worker as sam even though sam may call in sick 3 days a week. Everybody gets the same raises, pay and benefits. They protect the worst of the bunch and make the entire group look bad. Just ask some folks on the street what they think of autoworkers or teachers. Why am I not allowed to drop out of the union if I want to? Sounds like control to me. Why am I forced to pay them MY MONEY? Sounds like control to me. Why am I not allowed to make more money if I work harder than everybody else? Sounds like control to me. You need to google the term "usefull Idiot"

that is used by other people who's views and politics are as far left as yours are to describe themselves. they wear the label proudly. why don't you? you adhere to their views. you adhere to their methods. you adhere to their politics. you do everything else they do, you even send representatives to them to make sure you are doing it right. why not call yourselves what you are aspiring to be? union... collective... commune... don't let the individual stand for anything. let the state stand for all.

your just a little obseased with karl marx.union comes from being united to act as one.sort of like the united states of america were all people are considered to be created equal where the poor have just as many rights as the rich.being created equal 'you'd probibly consider that communism.even though it's the foundation this country has been founded on.but never mind all that every thing you have writen about unions is wrong.i'm a union carpenter guess what.if somebody calls in sick they don't get paid. if there's a holiday guess what?i don't get paid.if i don't produce on the job site guess what? i get laid off.my union dues goes to guess what? training in all phases of carpentry to make us more productive for the contractors it goes to first aid and safety training and guess what i'm proud to be union.what can you say? i'm proud of my knowledge of communism. your a great american.

yes, all people are CREATED equal, but it's what they make of themselves from there that leads us to where we all end up. equality cannot be enforced. we do not all end up equal. to make me equal to you holds at least ONE of us down. it MAY hold BOTH of us down. we should be allowed to be individuals. we have INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS, INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, INDIVIDUAL PERSONALITIES, and INDIVIDUAL NEEDS. the needs of the PEOPLE (the prolitariate to you) are the needs of thousands of INDIVIDUALS. we live in COMMUNITIES, (groupings of individuals for the good of all) not COMMUNES (a group of the prolitariate living together for the good of the state). we are ruled by laws built around OUR FREEDOMS. those individual freedoms would be given up by those on the left for the 'betterment' of the COMMUNE. YOU would use force to 'coerce' free people into giving up a portion of what they make to 'better' your union. YOU would use force to stop those who would reject your notion of perfection. YOU would use force to disarm the 'dissident' population. in other words, the FREEDOM of choice does not exist in your world, as you would use FORCE to keep FREE PEOPLE from making an educated choice. what other goals would you use force to accomplish?

i'm going to tell you my personel story.it's like alot of other americans.my earliest memories are my mother trowing my father out of the house and then my mother swollowing a bunch of pills and chasing it with vodka in an atempt to kill herself in front of me.i was 7 years old. from that point on it was food stamps and public assistance.at 13 years old i was well on my way to becoming a full blown alcoholic.by 17 i was a high school drop out,by 18 a judge gave me a choice jail or halfway house.i chose the halfway house.a year latter i was a year sober and working for a local contactor 'the only problem? he never paid me on time sometimes it would be weeks till i got paid.but it was better than anything i ever had.for the next seven years i jumped from contractor to contractor.never getting ahead.always fighting for money that i earned.28 years old' no savings no health insurance no home of my own.this was a problem.then i decided i deserved better.i tried to get into the union and succeded.i've been the union for ten years now.i started as a apprentice then became a carpenter foreman.now i'm a superintendant and resposible for millions of dollers of work. the union showed me how to get to the top of my trade on my own individual attributes.10 years latter.huge savings,health benifits, my own home and i'm happy.there are tons of people who have had much harder lives than mine and the unions will lift them up to if they are willing to work hard.we could go on an on all day about unions and communism.but the bottom line is as long as there is people like me.there will be unions.because i will fight harder than you.i have more to loose.

"all people are considered to be created equal" But nobody ever guaranteed you an equal outcome. By reading your post it looks like without the union to keep you afloat you would quickly sink to the bottom. Your union says that you have to vote for people that will take more and more of your money to support groups at the bottom that will elect more of them. For some reason you blindly follow, this scares me.

your story is touching. your inference that the union saved you is disturbing. what were you doing with the money you earned? where was the LAW that says you must be paid on time? (that's what the UNION uses, so does everyone else.) it also seems to me that any state that has FORCED UNION RULES wouldn't care about anybody who ISN'T IN THE UNION. it seems to me that the STATE failed you as well as the union. it's ILLEGAL to not pay someone. it's ILLEGAL to pay someone UNDER THE TABLE. it's ILLEGAL to withhold someone's pay without the government's permission. it's ILLEGAL to pay someone and not pay their taxes ON TIME. so, does the UNION know you participated in these illegal activities? it IS legally obligated to TURN YOU IN. but they won't. any group that violates as many laws as the union certainly won't mind one tiny, minute amount of corruption. now, on to the OTHER illegalities. were you briefed on how millions of YOUR dollars are being spent to elect ONLY DEMOCRATS? that violates election financing laws that have been in place for over a hundred years at the federal level. why do you allow your UNION to be THAT CORRUPT? why are you afraid of businesses that are non union?

knowledge of communism? was it gained FIRST HAND? was it gained following an 'each according to his needs' rally? was it gained from informed consent as to where you money is being spent? the democrats would tax you, they have proven this throughout history, yet you CONSISTANTLY pay money to support them, whether you want to or not. the democrats would force you to support those who will not support themselves, they have proven this. yet you CONSISTANTLY pay money to support them, whether you want to or not. the democrats would force you to support those who would remove the church from your life, and apply the jobs of the church, education and charity, to the state. they have proven this. yet you CONSISTANTLY pay money to support them, whether you want them or not. it seems that your union is trying to give all power to the state, and thus, all power to the union. it seems that your union is picking and choosing, very carefully, who will be in charge of this country at every level. it seems that the union has given you very little choice but to follow along with it's choices. how do you call yourself a FREE MAN? your union pays to elect those that take away FREEDOM, your union TAKES AWAY FREEDOM. do you not ever wish you had all the money you paid to the unions? one last question... did you vote for jennie BY CHOICE?

if you hate unions so much why don't you protest everything they have ever done.you should work 7 days a week 10 to 12 hours a day 'work every holiday'give back your retirement give back your health benifits'forget about taking a lunch break at work and if you get hurt at work you should have to pay for it.while your at it stay out of all high rise buildings in all major cities because they where all union built'yes all of them.also you should be completely unamerican and drive only foriegn cars' hell they pay there labor the least and charge the most.i'm sure youd like that.also you shouldn't watch any major sports like the n.f.l. or major leage baseball hockey and basketball.it's all union.come to think of it you should stop going to the movies to 'the screen actors guild is guess what? a union.if you have the intestinal fortitude to start this protest your probibly going to be working alot so you won't have to worry about being entertained.

"'the screen actors guild is guess what? a union" About 60% of movies today are filmed in Canada. Not that I give a rats patoot about what happens to the usefull idiots in the film industry.

everything you list, everything, was passed by congress OVER THE LOUD VOCIFEROUS OPPOSITION OF THE UNIONS. 8 hour days was passed BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR. i'll bet your union never told you that. look at history, you'll see that unions OPPOSED all those changes because THEY HAD TO PAY FOR THEM. by the way, you'd better stay out of tall buildings in washington d.c. they were all built by GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS WHO WERE NON-UNION. stay out of buildings built between 1932 and 1940, they were all built by the w.p.a., non-union. stay off of the roads in michigan, they were built by NON-UNION road workers, except the truck drivers. some of those workers were PRISON INMATES. get off your harley, as they are a NON-UNION SHOP. your legislators are NON-UNION, except the democrats who were elected by unions, but still don't do what the union slugs tell them to do. your cozy little 'worker's paradise' is shrinking, not growing. the auto manufacturers are going out of the country to avoid any contact with you, companies are going out of their way, even out of state, to avoid dealing with you. even walmart will not deal with you. you guys must be doing SOMETHING WRONG. several cities IN MICHIGAN have city ordinances that promote NON-UNION LABOR in contract negotiations over LABOR UNION'S WASTEFUL PRACTICES. in other words, IT DOESN'T SAVE THE TAXPAYER MONEY TO HAVE CITY GOVERNMENT USE UNION LABOR. it doesn't save MY money to use UNION LABOR. you squirm in your bed worrying about when are we all going to figure this out. too late. it's been done. union labor is just too expensive. you've been replaced. other companies from 'right to work' states are willing to do a BETTER JOB for LESS MONEY. they will get the jobs you once had.

what have the unions done IN THIS CENTURY? NOTHING. NADA. ZIP. except kill off poor jimmy hoffa. where did you guys put him, i'm sure his union hall buddies and his family would love to give him a good old fashioned union send off. (notice i DIDN'T SAY christian burial) by the way, i know people today who VOLUNTARILY work ten to twelve hours a day. they are called BUSINESS OWNERS. i'm one of them. i won't have unions in my place of business. they have no place here. they are not needed and they are not welcome. my employees would rather not be union. they'd rather be paid better WITHOUT paying union dues. my company provides legal research to attorneys and local governments. it's thriving, especially now that the laws are changing so quickly. maybe you can get the attorneys to unionize. (maybe not, even attorneys have standards.)

top dollar pay should be reserved for top dollar performance, not for mere existance - Kudos!!!!

The right to work concept is not so safe as you said. Maybe is better to have a correct relation with all the elements of this formula. cazare predeal

 Actually what you say doesn't hold water. In the 1984 auto contracts with GM the uniuon offered to take lower pay if the company would pass the saving along to the consumers, the company told the union to take a hike. Do you see those large SUV's coming in from Mexico with a lower sticker price because they have slave labor wages? NO you don't. The unions today are very accommodative on work rules at least in the auto industry. All Right to Work means is the Right to Work For Less. I live in Florida half the year and the people I have talked to don't think its good policy but once its passed its hard to get it changed.

 I knew a guy that worked building I-69 and he was a well paid union worker. As a matter of fact I was amazed at how well he was paid back then when it was built. So don't try to tell me those roads were built by non union  workers.

 Unions fight for the rights of all workers whether they belong to a union or not. If we didn't have Unions who would enforce the labor laws. Laws are being broken every day as it is. I have seen many people get fired for even mentioning the word Union in the work place. Its against the law to do so but it happens all the time.

 Here is what Unions bring to your future:

Unions have brought much to my present.

Gypsy there is more on the way, the Unions will continue to bring the right to work statutes to this wonderful state.

Gov. Walker of Wisconsin agrees there is "more on the way". Gov. Snyder would be wise to take note.

Gypsy- Filthy unions at work see when they aren't given money what the unions resort to , why wouldn't you build something in another country. This union mentality is want you want your grandchildren learning gypsy, food for thought i would spend millions to prove my point to a union, already have one union sign in my huge garage. hung over a Toyota. unions are like piss ants.

I would spend millions defending worker's right to organize. But unfortunately, like you, I don't have millions. All I've got is what I've earned.

Gypsy - Review taters GM plant slide show , throw into the mix Boeing. you should see the pattern. And Ive earned what i have. You have alot of what others have earned Gypsy. Others labored so you could prosper in the land of freebies and handouts. That's not earning, collective bargin hunting begins ad ends with taking whitey to court.

 Gypsy..............how about a little "Re-Distribution of the wealth then that your beloved Obama wants everyone to subscribe to. 

Maybe you should stop gambling, or at least stop losing bets.

rtdbussiness(sic)......Everything I have I've earned, with good honest labor, and cautious investment.

Gypsy - Tater thought you might be a Gypsie got a few neighbors retired now that were they drive toyotas and hondas loyal folks and good neighbors, you are probably married to one moved here from chicago and are in the field of education us billionaires get a few guesses. Also lets say your having a deck built and painted , the union guys quote it and are high by several thousand dollars including permits. You go with the home depot thing and build it your way. maybe you get a 30% bigger deck. how are helping your union brother or Sister ?

Shares of G.M. rose 22 cents on Tuesday, to $28.78, compared with the initial public offering price of $33 in November. To break even, the Treasury needs to sell its remaining shares at an average price of about $53. The Treasury is expected to begin selling more of its G.M. stake as soon as August, but it can wait longer if the shares remain below their original price. G.M. has no say in the matter, Mr. Akerson said

 Gypsy............explain this one to us common right wing conservatives who don't understand.

GM is bailed out by the Federal government.  Some good points...........some bad points!

GM / Obama-Ratner tell the bond holders to "take a hike".

GM receives money from the TARP account which is ($$) in the top left hand drawer of Obama's desk

GM owes the America taxpayers in the neighborhood of $60 Billion

GM gets money from Obama's left hand drawer to pay off the remaining money owed to the taxpayers (sounds like Solyndra).

GM offers IPO at $36.00 per share

GM shares six months later are worth 1/3 less or more with no repayment in sight to make any profit for the taxpayers

GM pays bonus's to its employees while still owing the taxpayers their fair share of the borrow of money from them.

GM gets more money ($$ many many millions) from the left hand drawer to help push the Chevy Volt onto the scene with the usual BS to the public.

GM sells a couple thousand Volts at $42,000.00 each, $7,500.00 subsidy from the taxpayers and the actual cost of "each" vehicle is approximately $250,000.00............after kickbacks to the Obama re-election campaign (sounds like Solyndra .....again)!

Obama and ole' Jeff Immelt (econ. advisor to Barack) agree that the Volt should be built in China.  .....along with Jeff's G.E. products!

Taxpayers left holding the emptly bag of return on investment again.  Left wing morons still defend this loser while he is picking them dry.  Sad................very sad!

 

Mr. Salad...GM handed back TARP money it had been lent and hadn’t used. Those funds had been sitting in an escrow account, should the automaker need them. (The company didn’t borrow new money to pay back an older loan.) Maybe you're forgetting the Savings and Loan bailout scandal under Reagan, when $160 billion of taxpayer's money was used to bailout 747 S&L's. Or, maybe you're not old enough to remember it. At least the auto industry bailout preserved thousands of jobs.

 Enough money?  Cable, phones, A.C., cars, boats, 2nd homes huh!

Mrs. Gypsy - you are mistaken on these numbers GM is out some 84 billion not including the money sent to own 73% of Ally Bank New Gmac. - Putz I also remember the Clinton's S&L also so lets not change the subject. GM bailout has Kept people working for a short time now we all will pay for it. unless you drive a Ford, Remember Ford Drive one!!!!!