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  • 01-01-2001 12:00 AM

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    2006 House Bill 5675 (Revise convicted school employee list requirements)

    Introduced in the House on February 14, 2006, to require that reasonable measures be undertaken to ensure the accuracy of school personnel criminal record reports issued by the Michigan Department of Education. This relates to Public Act 138 of 2005, which requires school employee lists to be cross-checked against State Police criminal conviction information, and schools to fire those convicted of certain crimes. The bill allows schools to not release the names of convicted employees for two weeks after receiving the list from the state. After that time schools would have to release the names of all employees with criminal convictions. The bill was introduced after the first round of conviction record distributions included numerous inaccuracies

    The vote was 105 in favor, 0 opposed and 3 not voting

    (House Roll Call 90 at House Journal 18)

    Click here to view bill details.
  • 03-09-2006 8:30 AM In reply to

    The power of the MEA

    My God the MEA has a lot of power!!!!
  • 03-09-2006 9:04 AM In reply to

    Why not past employees

    Banning the release of the names of former convicted employees who may have been employed by the school systems as convicts reminds me of the way religious organizations tried to hide the actions of their ministers, priests etc. What are you trying not to reveal-that the schools did hire crooks and sex offenders? Are youi speaking for them? How about the kids who may have been assaulted by them-or don't they count?
  • 03-14-2006 1:35 PM In reply to

    Sen. Cropsey's "journal statement"

    Senator Cropsey asked and was granted unanimous consent to make a statement and moved that the statement be printed in the Journal. The motion prevailed. Senator Cropsey's statement is as follows: As a reminder, the inaccurate list of school employees that has been the center of the controversy was not--I repeat, was not--created in accordance with the law. Additionally, both the Department of State Police and the Department of Education, the two departments involved, did not screen the lists really for inaccuracies. While deplorable, fortunately, that list is now history. This bill would go a long way toward creating an accurate list, according to testimony before the Judiciary Committee. The heart of the problem is the media printing and associating false data with the names of innocent employees, based on an inaccurate list. As our Constitution states, and I quote, "Every person may freely speak, write, express and publish his views on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of such right..." To insist on the right to publish a list that is still being verified is unconscionable. And that is the tension we need to resolve--an individuals right to privacy with the corresponding right of the public to know how their government operates. This amendment will allow the media to print names while giving the employees some level of privacy protection. At the state level, all information, except personal identifying information, would be subject to FOIA. This would give a picture statewide of school employees. Locally, all felonies will be subject to FOIA, as well as all misdemeanors that require discharge from employment, by name. All other misdemeanor convictions would not be subject to FOIA. However, a school could release the convictions and names if they so desired. This last point is very important, as it allows each district to tailor the release of names based upon whether or not the record is pertinent to how they fulfill their obligation to teach our children. This amendment is the result of careful analysis of the case law on the Freedom of Information Act. The controlling decision is the Michigan Supreme Court decision in Mager v. Department of State Police. This decision delineates the purpose of the Freedom of Information Act by saying, "which is contributing significantly to public understanding of the operations or activities of the government. That purpose, however, is not fostered by full disclosure of information about private citizens that is accumulated in various government files, but that reveals little or nothing about the agency's own conduct." And finally, quote "...fulfilling a request for information on private citizens, a request entirely unrelated to any inquiry regarding the inner working of government, or how well the Department of State Police is fulfilling its statutory functions, would be an unwarranted invasion of the privacy of those citizens." Bottom line--the courts have consistently ruled for years that it is an unwarranted invasion of privacy to use the power of the Freedom of Information Act to gain information that has nothing to do with how a government entity fulfills its statutory obligations. A minor in possession conviction 30 years ago has nothing to do with how a school functions. Neither does an old malicious destruction of property misdemeanor from tearing down a goalpost in college days or an uttering and publishing conviction or even an old OUIL conviction, unless the employee drives with students in any official capacity. And that's why we leave the decision up to the local school district as to which convictions to release if they have nothing to do with how the school operates or protects its students. The media can always FOIA court records if they want to expose convictions that are unrelated to a person's employment. But Americans treasure the right to privacy, and at some point, we need to respect that value while respecting the intent of the Freedom of Information Act. This amendment attempts to reach that balance. Pertinent decisions include the Mager case, Detroit Free Press v. Department of State Police et al, Larry S. Baker v. City of Westland, Detroit Free Press v. Department of Consumer and Industry Services et al, in which the court stated that redacting names of private citizens "strikes a balance between preserving 'the informative value' of the records sought and protecting the individual's right to privacy." Other cases are the Detroit Free Press v. City of Warren, the Grand Rapids Press v. Kent County Sheriff's Department, Stone Street Capital, Inc., v. Michigan Bureau of State Lottery, and most recently this past December, Detroit Free Press v. City of Southfield. The amendment gives the public the right to know if an employee's record affects their child while protecting the employee's right to privacy. I urge your support.
  • 03-31-2006 5:09 AM In reply to

    Protecting the guilty from their past

    "A minor in possession conviction 30 years ago has nothing to do with how a school functions. Neither does an old malicious destruction of property misdemeanor from tearing down a goalpost in college days or an uttering and publishing conviction or even an old OUIL conviction, unless the employee drives with students in any official capacity. And that's why we leave the decision up to the local school district as to which convictions to release if they have nothing to do with how the school operates or protects its students. The media can always FOIA court records if they want to expose convictions that are unrelated to a person's employment. But Americans treasure the right to privacy, and at some point, we need to respect that value while respecting the intent of the Freedom of Information Act. This amendment attempts to reach that balance." The examples you cite are reasonable, but they still show that the individual has shown disrespect for the law. It should be up to the school board to decide whether this person meets their standards. Why are you leaving it to the media to expose these violations? I thought we elected you to represent us. I feel the past should not be hidden from the public. Sen. Cropsey apparently feels that a check kiting, drug dealing drunk would be a good influence on our kids. Private employers would certainly use that information to reject an applicant-but then thet could always get a job teaching in our public schools. "Hide the past to shield the guilty" attitude such as this legislation exhibits are examples of why we have people like Ward Churchill and Angela Davis in our colleges.
  • 04-01-2006 3:06 PM In reply to

    Sen. Cropsey's "journal statement"

    Senator Cropsey's statement is as follows: This is the bill that addresses the criminal background checklist of school employees. As passed by the Senate, the state only provided districts with lists of employees who had been convicted of a felony or of a misdemeanor involving a sexual or physical assault, which we've been calling the listed offenses because they're actionable and can lead to the firing of the employee. This list was to be as accurate as possible, and the schools had 15 business days to verify the accuracy of the list before the list could be released under FOIA. The conference report continues to require the State Police and the Department of Education to use all possible technology and practices to ensure that the list is accurate. Schools, however, would receive a list of employees who had been convicted of any offense, not just listed offenses. The districts would still have 15 days to verify the accuracy of the list. At the school district level, all listed offenses are still fully subject to FOIA; all the other offenses are not. At the state level, under FOIA, the state could release a list of how many offenses and all types that were found in every school district, but with no personal identifying information attached. As I stated here during Third Reading earlier this month, the stated purpose of FOIA and clarifying court documents on FOIA have clearly defined FOIA's purpose as helping the public determine how a governmental agency performs its duties. FOIA is not to be used to spy on people. The court has consistently called the release of any information not needed to determine how an agency is performing its duties as an impermissible infringement on an individual's privacy. The conference report reached this balance by allowing school districts to know if an employee had a prior conviction that may affect the terms of their employment, but not their employment itself. It lets the public know if any employees who have been convicted of an actionable offense are still employed, and it protects the privacy of individuals who have a record but that has nothing to do with their employment. I have the case law here on my desk if anyone would like to see it, and I urge your support for the conference report. I request that my comments be printed in the Journal and that they be printed in Gongwer, MIRS, the Free Press, the Detroit News, and the Lansing State Journa
  • 05-11-2006 12:45 PM In reply to

    first things first

    FIRST... lets get an accurate list to see who did and who did not get convicted of a crime. THEN... lets take care of the other problems... btw... some of the best lessons i ever learned have been from convicted felons. they weren't trying to indoctrinate me into their political party.

    michigan constitution,  article 1. Sec. 6.

    Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.

     keep your powder dry.

    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994

  • 11-19-2006 3:22 PM In reply to

    sfaggion

    20 years ago I made a huge mistake involving drugs. I was convicted for my crimes and paid for my mistake. My life and my record has been spotless since 1987 and prior to 1987. I have been working in the schools for 14 years and with children everyday. I think children are our most precious gift and love to work with them. I was fired in October 2006 because of this mistake I made 20 years ago. This is wrong. People make mistakes and they learn from them. My crime was not against children and yet I have lost my job because of it. I have tried to prove myself worthy of this job and think it is totally unfair that after working so hard for the last 15 years in the schools that I must pay again. Not all felons are criminals. Children are not endangered when around a person such as myself. It is the children who suffer when we as a state and country pretend that mistakes are not made and crimes not committed. We learn from these mistakes. That's what life is about - learning.
  • 11-19-2006 7:59 PM In reply to

    Save it. They warn you in pre education classes to keep your nose clean.

    No mercy.
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