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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Save the Michigan Economy By Saving Michigan Families
HB 5267 will remove the incentives for family break-up and improve the plight of Michigan's children by improvong their chances of having two parents involved in parenting them.
The mantra of "jobs, jobs, jobs" that our political candidates are reciting ad nauseum is about 1 millimiter deep. Michigan will have no economic recovery until it fixes the social plight of our families.
The economic tsunami is about to hit Michigan and it will drag down the entire American economy. It's time to focus on repairing the Michigan and American infrastructures. That requires a serious focus on the family, not just the minority of families that appear to be intact, but the increasing majority of broken American families.
Why aren't our leaders talking about this?
HB 5267 is but one small step down the road to fixing Michigan's very deep social and economicd travails.
We need to focus on Detroit. It's plight is a harbinger of what's coming for the rest of the state.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Families Families Families
If you start hearing this mantra, expect the definition of families to change to single parent households. You must be aware when you are reading policy statements that the word families often means custodial parent with children. This is most often used when describing child support being a source of income for families, instead of meaning subsidization to prevent additional welfare roles. Be aware that there should always first be an opportunity for two willing parents to both be custodial parents responsible for the well-being of their children. Children should not be denied the presence of a willing parent, unless there is proof of unfitness.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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This would be GREAT for KIDS
This should be the NORM for every state!
Why when a divorce happens is one person bitter and then they use a child to get back at the other parent, by denial of time - dragging the other to court for MORE MONEY. False allegations - lies and more lies. And to top it off - the Judges beleive it!
This is an issue about children who did not ASK to be brought into this world, but they were. They did not ask to have one parent so ate up with hate - to push the other parent out of their lives out of SPITE, but they were.
I am a child of divorce and the courts SAY - they are looking out for the best interest of the children - the best interest is MAKING them stay in their lives, be a parent - be active.
I hope this passes - I no longer what the courts and state involved in our lives.
They have people claiming to doing a job - the only job Wayne County FOC employee's do - is CASH THEIR CHECKS!
X~
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newlight


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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The F.O.C. reminds me of a robot that decided to take over its own decision-base and become a dangerous monster destroying the world. In its infancy, I suppose it's motive were good; and controlled by the people, but as it grew and became more powerful, its mission has become completely independent of what is really good for the a family unit.
Most people today don't really understand the underlying reasoning its destruction keeps on growing. In 1982 Francis Schaeffer spoke to a church group and if you were to view this message today you would call this man a prophet. Tyranny was mentioned several times in his speech 24 years ago and the founding fathers warned a free people of the same danger.
In the industry of law (where the tyranny is) those really concerned for the “best interest of the child” should be compensated on reconciliations not divorce. But then it would slow the gravy train down and bring the politics back to the people, and fathers back to their children.
FOC has become an arm of tyranny in America today, a very important arm. FOC is an arm to destroy middle class, and split apart families. FOC, the arm whose mission is to bring a once free nation to its knees to government dependence, called socialism.
The reward to the FOC is financial and employee growth. For every dollar the FOC collects, they are federally reimbursed high percentages back to run their agencies. This not only goes against any better social interest for the country's future, but it is also blatant "conflict of interest" and failure of the equal protection clause in the rights of each parent.
The equal parenting bill, if drafted correctly and passed could bring an uppercut blow to the socialistic view of the FOC, by removing their strength, the financial incentive and bring back to the family the 85% of fathers who have lost their constitutional right to parent.
What did this kind of consistent court decision in reality do to the best interest of the child? Well all one has to do is a little research to see that every aspect of children’s healthy development is on a very slippery slope, spiraling downward. Their health habits, educational habits, crime habits, social habits, mental habits, and spiritual habits all trending in a negative social epidemic, because the once healthy habit of dad being a dad has been rewritten as dad being a deadbeat dad. I am sure you have heard the saying that if you say a lie enough times, to those asleep it appears to be the truth.
Let’s not be fooled any longer. It’s time to bring back the best interest of every child, BOTH PARENTS, equally parenting.
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newlight


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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The F.O.C. reminds me of a robot that decided to take over its own decision-base and become a dangerous monster destroying the world. In its infancy, I suppose it's motive were good; and controlled by the people, but as it grew and became more powerful, its mission has become completely independent of what is really good for the a family unit.
Most people today don't really understand the underlying reasoning its destruction keeps on growing. In 1982 Francis Schaeffer spoke to a church group and if you were to view this message today you would call this man a prophet. Tyranny was mentioned several times in his speech 24 years ago and the founding fathers warned a free people of the same danger.
In the industry of law (where the tyranny is) those really concerned for the “best interest of the child” should be compensated on reconciliations not divorce. But then it would slow the gravy train down and bring the politics back to the people, and fathers back to their children.
FOC has become an arm of tyranny in America today, a very important arm. FOC is an arm to destroy middle class, and split apart families. FOC, the arm whose mission is to bring a once free nation to its knees to government dependence, called socialism.
The reward to the FOC is financial and employee growth. For every dollar the FOC collects, they are federally reimbursed high percentages back to run their agencies. This not only goes against any better social interest for the country's future, but it is also blatant "conflict of interest" and failure of the equal protection clause in the rights of each parent.
The equal parenting bill, if drafted correctly and passed could bring an uppercut blow to the socialistic view of the FOC, by removing their strength, the financial incentive and bring back to the family the 85% of fathers who have lost their constitutional right to parent.
What did this kind of consistent court decision in reality do to the best interest of the child? Well all one has to do is a little research to see that every aspect of children’s healthy development is on a very slippery slope, spiraling downward. Their health habits, educational habits, crime habits, social habits, mental habits, and spiritual habits all trending in a negative social epidemic, because the once healthy habit of dad being a dad has been rewritten as dad being a deadbeat dad. I am sure you have heard the saying that if you say a lie enough times, to those asleep it appears to be the truth.
Let’s not be fooled any longer. It’s time to bring back the best interest of every child, BOTH PARENTS, equally parenting.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Please Support Bill No. 5267 - JOINT CUSTODY
As a Michigan voter, I strongly urge you to to support Michigan House Bill 4664 and/or any other Parental Parity Bill.
Children need and deserve the love and care of both parents, and no government is more capable than they are to care for their children.
The current system turns most fathers into paychecks, is riddled with injustices, and ignores the needs of children and their fathers to grow and be together.
I love my son, and I know that what is best for him is to enjoy the approximately equal time getting love and attention from both his mother and I. As a modern father, I am directly involved in every aspect of his daily life.
However, the Friend of the Court has a strong financial disincentive to award equal parenting time. They are funded through a federal matching funds of 54 cents for each dollar they collect in child support, and child support payments are based on a formula involving the income of the mother, the income of the father, and the number of nights a child spends with each. Equal parenting time hurts the bottom line of the Friend of the Court, so it's very rarely awarded. Most commonly, the mother is awarded custody, and the father is given parenting time on alternate weekends. This arrangement maximizes child support payments, which helps the Michigan Friend of the Court collect more in federal incentive grants, but it hurts children, who miss out on much of the love that their fathers want to give.
The Michigan Friend of the Court received $24 Million in federal incentive grants in 2004, and each Friend of the Court employee brings in $1 million in support, generating revenues of $540,000 each. In Wayne County, one of six Friend of the Court Referees in effect makes custody decisions, normally in less than 30 minutes. While the referee is paid a salary, it's easy for a referee to understand that if he or she keeps awarding joint custody, someone in his or her office is going to be out of a job - quite possibly himself or herself.
And the Friend of the Court is responding to its financial incentives, and ignoring the needs of children and families. In one case, the FOC knowingly charged child support to a man based on a clerical error for 3 years, and refused to stop until he contacted a local TV station. In another, the Friend of the Court refused to pay a mother money that it had collected from the father's tax return, because the parents had agreed to handle further child support privately. Another father is complaining that he hasn't seen his daughter in months. His ex-wife won't answer her phone and is never home when he's supposed to see his daughter, and the Friend of the Court won't respond to his pleas. In another, the Friend of the Court knowingly ordered that a father pay twice for his daughter's day care (he could have used that money for her college!). In another, a man who is not the father of a child is paying support to the child's actual biological father. These types behaviors have triggered a class action lawsuit against the Wayne County Friend of the Court.
The Michigan Friend of the Court.should be putting the needs of children first, but it seems that they are putting their needs first, by focusing on maximizing their revenue, rather than maximizing the welfare of children.
A law mandating that the default custody arrangement be for equal and joint custody unless there is compelling evidence that either party is unfit is in my son's best interest, and the best interests of most children. No referee or judge, even one without a financial incentive to rule one way or the other, can make a decision in less than 30 minutes to substantially exclude one loving and fit parent or another from their lives. Current law effectively leaves little or no room for a middle ground, and gives referees a strong financial incentive to rule in favor of the mother.
All fit parents sacrifice for their children. Referees need to respect fit parents, stay out of the way, and allow those parents to love and care for their children.
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Michael_Saxton


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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What God gave us, government took away.
Passing HB5267 will return to parents what God gave them. It takes a man and a woman to create a child, a sperm and an egg, an X and Y chromosone. It takes Mom and Dad to raise them. Granting sole custody to one parent implies that geography is more important than two loving and nuturing parents. Read the statistics on the effect of having one parent removed from a childs life.
When I found out I was going to be a father I was estatic. Things went fine for awhile, then Mom quit her job and got on medicade. In come the courts, before our child is even born. After a little research I discover that because we arn't married I'm going to be asked to sign an affidavit of paternity, relinquishing all of my parental rights, except the right to pay child support. The stage is set for a fight. The courts intrusion into our lives has created more conflict than anything we could have done ourselves.
HB5267 is THE most important legislation pending today! Our children are our future, they need both parents.
THE BEST PARENT IS BOTH PARENTS
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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2001 (Previous) Rebuttable Presumption Bill
HB4664 - was a Rebuttable Presumption Bill introduced in 2001.
Introduced by Rep. Andrew Raczkowski on April 24, 2001, to establish a rebuttable presumption in child custody disputes that joint custody is in the best interest of the child. If a parent seeks to rebut the presumption, the court would presume that the "best interest of the child" factors listed in the state Child Custody Act would apply evenly to each parent, unless proven otherwise. Such proof would include, but not be limited to, things like child abuse or domestic violence. If parents could not agree to a shared parenting plan, the court would be required to impose one which gives each parent specific and substantially equal periods of custody. If one parent refused to cooperate with the other on parenting decisions for no good reason, a court could award sole custody to the other parent.
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PhilW.


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Another excellent reason for voting for HB5267
Dear folks:
I have another excellent reason for voting for and supporting HB5267. I recently wrote to Judge Wm. Doherty here in Barry County-he had posted a notice shortly after he was elected to his position-he wanted to hear from people who had problems or issues with our Friend of the Court.
I heard back from him two days ago. I had listed personal concerns and facts that show bias against fathers from the family law court system and our foc in particular. I presented him with facts-the matching federal incentive grants program-and others.
Part of his reply, and I quote: "As a parent myself, I am committed to providing a court system that is fair and impartial. A system that applies the law equitably to all parties." He continues with "I have not witnessed nor would I tolerate any institutional or personal bias." Keep in mind that this man was an attorney for 18 YEARS before becoming a judge. I find his comments incredible and unbelievable. I despise being lied to as well.
If a judge can be this blind, uncaring, and completely unaware of the reality of the situtation, our laws need to be changed now-FOR OUR CHILDREN'S SAKE.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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a friend of mine posted this about why parenting time motions fail
RE: Why Parenting Time Motions Fail and Child Support Motions Succeed.
After a Friend of the Court Citizen Advisory Committee meeting an
attorney indicated that it seemed that their parenting time motions seem to
fail more frequently than child support motions succeed. This was a
brilliant observation and I wanted to take a quick moment and tell you
why.
For every three dollars ($3.00) that your local court spends on Child
Support Enforcement the court receives two dollars ($2.00) by way of
federal block grant money. Additionally to make up the difference of the
remaining one dollar balance the local courts have been able to use what
is known as federal incentive grants from the federal government, which
has made it possible to “profit” from operating a “successful” child
support enforcement program. An immense gain by the state is to be had
by operating a "successful" child support enforcement program which
means that a child cannot have substantially equal time with both parents.
In order to maximize federal money the states create the appearance of
an absentee parent for purposes of the Child Support Enforcement
welfare program. Successful also means maximizing the number of participants
the state has in its Child Support Enforcement welfare program by
including the middle-class at the sole expense of the U.S. Tax Payer.
See 42 USC 655; “Payment to States”;
See 42 USC 658a; “Incentive payments to States”;
In a parenting time conflict, there is disincentive to allow children
to have substantially equal time with their parents because then the
parents do not fit wholly into the above welfare program model as being
absent. The more parenting time provided, typically, child support is
reduced or abated. A reduction in participants is a reduction in the
justification of federal monies to the state. Normally the reduction of
expenditures is encouraged by government but in this case the opposite
holds true because there is a profit derived from the excess influx of
funds. Because of lack of eligibility requirements there is immense waste
in the new Child Support Enforcement Beuracracy. In 2006 alone, 4.2
BILLION of our Social Security Fund, nationally, is being invested into
this program which is a huge disincentive for the states to allow
substantially equal parenting time with both parents.
The huge mass of money out of your social security also is the reason
that the State is so eager to incorporate all the middle-class into
their Child Support Enforcement welfare programs; that means higher support
awards and an appearance of more need for federal money now that there
is widespread expanded group participation.
The new welfare abuser is not the people, but the states who have
shaped their participant numbers to create the appearance of need for a
program that lacks eligibility requirements. The reality is that there are
many fit, willing, and competent parents that are trapped in a welfare
system against their will and they are being prevented from parenting
their children because the state wants to maximize their federal funding
and make them look absent.
Very Truly Yours,
/s/ /s/
Lary Holland
5180 Cedar Lake Rd.
Oscoda, MI 48750
(989) 747-0079 (v)
(989) 764-5920 (f)
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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This law will better the budget
This law will actually improve the budget because the foc bureacracy which has grown too quickly with little direction and no eligibility requirements for their services will be able to focus their efforts on a more directed effort instead of being spread too thin across too many cases they should not be involved in. An overwhelming amount of waste has gone into the beuracracy that was hastily advanced to take advantage of the federal nipple. Substantially equal parenting of children will remove the involvement of this welfare program and improve the budget and their performance of services to low income families.
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dadof2


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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Its not the 1970's anymore
Finally a voice of reason in Lansing, and even better yet a politician who is not afraid to do the right thing!!! Thank you Rep. Mortimer!!! I do not understand how anyone with the best interests of the children in this state could oppose this legislation. The state tells us on various billboards on Michigan hiways to step up and be a dad. Maybe we will now be allowed to do just that.
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suppressed american


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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i thought i would jump in here...
for a quickie. in the state of michigan you MUST know it's all about money !!!! the courts don't care about you, your spouse, or your kids !!! the name of the PROBLEM, IS FRIEND OF THE COURT. HENCE, THE NAME !!! IT'S NOT THE FRIEND OF THE MOTHER, it's not the friend of the father, it's not even the friend of the child. it's the friend of the court. plain and simple. the state of michigan can not make any money if everyone is getting along. they must throw out the power they have to make you dependant on them to help you thru this. you pay money, the stae gets involved, the hole thing goes sour, and you are in their clutches. now it is not up to you anymore. the state will take care of you and yours, even if you don't want it. ther are alot of people in jail for back child support, maybe because they lost their job or the plant closed down. it doesn't matter !!! we are going to throw you in jail!!!! you can't pay support, you don't havea job ANYMORE. let's see... now we have you !!! welcome to the state of michigan !!! we have no jobs, but, jenny's buddies will make sure you pay anyway. think about it. where eles but michigan and russia can things like this happen.
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Anonymous Citizen


- Joined on 11-22-2008
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This is an excellent bill
This needs to become law. It's high time we address the unjust system we have here in Michigan.
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