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crazycajun
 
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didn't mean to poke fun...
verbal judo is the "art" of de-escalating a situation...
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
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what is it that you don't like about this legislation???
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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Anonymous Citizen
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I guess this legislation couldn't hurt. They don't do that already?
Kids definitely get shot where I'm at.
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Anonymous Citizen
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It was FUNNY! I got out of the golf cart and "stepped up"
I don't think he realized there was a girl there in the cart the way he was swearing. He'd been yelling "what's your insurance" and going on and on ranting and raving. Everybody came out to watch. As I walked forward he just walked away with his tail between his legs. Mind you I just said, "------, if the man wants your insurance, give him your insurance, that's why have insurance," as I walked right toward him and said it really loudly bringing even more people out to watch. He didn't even ask for an exchange of insurance information when I was done with him:) Don't get me wrong. He had every right to ask for it and be mad, but it was quite a scence. He was ready to fight, which wouldn't have gotten has car fixed, either. I made it win-win. He didn't go to jail for fighting, and my partner didn't have his insurance rates go up. That guy walked right up the stairs, to his dented car and left. It was all men. I think he just didn't know WHAT to do. My golf partner owes me big time. So you didn't offend me, I just had to go to bed.
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Anonymous Citizen
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I think they should have biometrix (Sp?) guns that won't work
unless they are for the person they're registered to, so a kid couldn't use it, only the adult in the family. Could you work on that for me? I mean if they can scan me electronically in with a fingerprint at the tanner, then they can do that.
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crazycajun
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and what sort of drug dealer is getting away with shooting the kids that you and your neighbors are too worried about to find and "fix"?
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
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biometrics requires that a certain "identifiable" body part be put up against a sensor, then the "identification" can take place...
all before the flippin thing will function.
part of the responsibility of owning a weapon is keeping it out of the wrong hands.
smith and wesson has been working on a "smart" pistol since the sixties...
haven't sold one.
the best safety is "between the ears" not "between the fingers"...
if you want one, fine, don't complain when you die cuz the batteries went dead.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
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if they put enough layers between you and a getting a gun, then they will have disarmed you by default.
i can not see a reason why law abiding citizens (subjects???) must get permission to get a handgun, then have to register it.
i don't see anything where a CRIMINAL has to get permission to get a handgun...
nothing... nada... zip...
but the decent, law abiding, TAX PAYING folk DO.
how left wing is that???????
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
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logged on first....
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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Anonymous Citizen
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Shall I throw my body in front of them?
What would you have us do to fix it?
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Anonymous Citizen
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You Are Not Being Realistic
For 150 years and without help or intervention from the legislature, Michigan courts have recognized and secured the individual's natural right to defend himself and his home against attacks.
That same history shows the Michigan legislature has a marked proclivity to regulate, restrict and burden firearms acquisition and ownership. That, despite the state’s Constitution, which states, in Article I, Section 6, “Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.”
Given history, how can you be confident the legislature, which now proposes to “give” you the right to self defense won’t soon decide to restrict the right over which it thus would seize control?
(Answer: Realistically, you can’t be at all confident that the legislature will protect your right to self defense any more than it has protected every person's "right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.” You can be very confident that at some point in time the legislature will move to restrict your rights, though. That’s the lesson taught by history. Those who ignore the lesson are foolish.)
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Anonymous Citizen
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"Preemption" is a commonly known legal doctrine that can be very open to interpretation by judges. A few years ago, the state passed into law a measure to ensure that that local governmental units respected the state's standing to promulgate state-wide law and policy regarding the carrying of firearms.
The law, as I recall, simply affirmed the state's legal position under the preemption doctrine, but on a specific issue.
Later, when a local governmental unit did attempt to restrict concealed carry within its city limits (I forget which city...Milford?), the ordinance was overturned (yeay for that judge) based on the state statute affirming the old legal doctrine.
If the affirming statute had not been in place and the judge had been so disposed, he could have ruled that preemption didn't apply. The precedent for other activists would have been set and Michigan could have ended up with a patchwork of concealed carry ordinances around the state.
Again, the current bill doesn't break new ground (except that it returns some common-sense by restricting lawsuits). It isn't granting any new rights. It simply affirms -- and reinforces -- the traditional right of self defense.
Therefore, I don't think that your fear that the legislature can "seize control" of the right by passing related legislation is founded: Could, for example, the Michigan legislature seize control of principles asserted in the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution simply because it initially passed a law recognizing that Amendment?
"Affirming" is not "giving" and control is neither ceded nor assumed by the affirmation.
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crazycajun
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affirming is not giving... granted...
but permission, registration, and "duty to retreat" are surely "taking away"...
i'm not real keen on "implied consent" either...
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
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the only way that we can "be sure" of anything is to elect those who think like us, not those who would be our nannies.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
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permission to purchase, "safety inspections", registration, and eventual confiscation PROTECTION??????
i'd like to see your idea of abolishment...
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
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oh... i don't know....
how about .....
SHOOTING BACK!!!!!!!!
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
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i forgot...
you don't have your states PERMISSION to have a handgun...
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
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signing on thing right...
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
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is a wonderful cloak... warm and comfortable...
i don't fear not being liked,
i don't fear not being right,
i'm not afraid of being incorrect,
i stand up for what i believe in,
freedom, liberty, and individuality.
i am a citizen of this city, county, state and nation, not a puppet of it.
come out from under your cloak so that we may welcome you up to the table where all citizens may heard, understood, and respected.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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Anonymous Citizen
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Mackinaw Center for Public Policy Conservative group w/ a lot of power, $
I don't think anyone should feel pressured to give their private information over to them. The site itself is wonderful so that that average citizen can make more informed decisions. Bravo. Just be aware WHO sets it up and that DeVos gives money to this, or so I've heard. Be smart and make informed decisions before you give your personal information out. Besides, as a politician, I'd want to know what people really THINK without being having them be afraid.
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crazycajun
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if by seizing control you mean...
offering tax incentives to purchase breathalyzer units and placing them in bars to gather evidence, tip-toeing around the proscriptions on law enforcement in the 4th amendment...
or by condoning the use of 'selective enforcement' by posting several officers outside of events where alcohol is served, then stopping random vehicles for no other good reason,(it couldn't have been for a good reason, because when it was discovered that the occupants were not 'impaired', they were released with no other citations being issued. this happened dozens of times just this last weekend.)thus trampling on the theory of probable cause...
or by making gun registration mandatory, this bypassing the necessity for a 4th amendment search...
then, i'd have to say that they were pretty effective in 'seizing control' of the 4th amendment too...
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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Anonymous Citizen
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To The Reader, Everyone Is Essentially Anonymous Here
Anyone who proclaims he is not seeking the cloak of anonymity while posting on forums like this under an obvious pseudonym like, say, “kookykrakpot” is delusional if he (she) believes his (her) own line of patter on that score, or is just a prattling hypocrite if he (she) doesn’t.
One instance in which the real identity of a poster MAY be useful to readers of this forum is when the poster is in a position of authority to actually influence the outcome of a piece of legislation by voting on it as a member of the legislature, or vetoeing it or signing it into law as the state’s chief executive. Real identity also may be useful in evaluating the credence of a poster who claims to have some special expertise or personal experience pertinent to the topic and presents unverified “facts” without attribution.
In reality, though, it’s what is said that should count. In a rational society, statements of opinion reinforced by substantial, attributed and verifiable facts are more informative (and possibly persuasive) than mere popping off with unsubstantiated claims that are intended to have emotional appeal. (Unfortunately, though, that doesn’t happen always or even frequently in any debate on public policy these days, by a long shot.)
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Anonymous Citizen
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Regarding anonymous comments
Thanks. The value of this site is that you can really say what you think even though it is maintained by a conservative group that you may or may not agree with in overall philosophy. I think that's when you can really solve problems--when people/citizens are not afraid to speak the truth. Not that everything on here is the truth, credible or factual.
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crazycajun
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to get a permit?
because LIBERALS DON'T TRUST YOU TO BE ARMED.
why do you have to register your handgun?
because LIBERALS DON'T TRUST YOU TO BE ARMED.
why do you have to have the handgun "safety inspected?
because LIBERALS DON'T TRUST YOU TO BE ARMED. AND THEY MIGHT HAVE MISSED YOU THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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