Michigan Votes Forum

I am not a Democrat or a Republican. I vote for the individual, not the party, that best suits my intrests. Democrats want to put all the blame on Bush, and the Republicans want to put all the blame on Granholm. The truth is THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT! Both of these idiots are the one-two punch that's killing this state. Democrats- like it or not, Bush is the president. He is a stubborn, bull-headed idiot, but he is the President. And the only way he is going to deal with a Democrat is if you have a moderate to conservative Democrat. There is no chance in Hell that he is going to lift a finger to help a radical left-wing extremist like Granholm. Granholm, on the other hand, is no different than Bush other than which side of the political arena she happens to be sitting on. She is sitting behind the left goalie, Bush behind the right, and the best viewpoint is center ice! She is just as unwilling to work with the Republicans as Bush is with the Democrats. And who suffers for it, WE ALL DO! Example. Louisiana's governor is a carbon-copy of Granholm. Granholm vetoed the "freedom of choice" bill, Blanco signed the bill to end freedom of choice in Louisiana. In fact, after Katrina, Time magazine voted her "America's worst governor", Granholm came in 2nd. Her and Granholm are both left-wing extremists, both totally unwilling to work with Republicans. Look at what happened in New Orleans. Bush offered to help, she refused to work with him and what happened, the people of New Orleans suffered for it. Bush is also to blame. A president has the authority to go over a state governor. But that's exactly what's going on here. In Lousiana it was an act of nature, in Michigan it's the economy. They are both unwilling to work with one another, so WE are screwed! Hopefully the next President and governor, reguardless of party, will not be playing these ridiculous games and be willing to work together to better our situation. Hopefully!

get rid of helmets so we can have a better gene pool

Jenny

I would like to reply to your post, except it is clear your did not stop and think before you spoke.

that was vetoed by jennie. she demands that you wear a helmet. if you want her to STOP demanding that you wear a helmet, either have your representative bring this legislation up again with a VETO-PROOF MARGIN this time, or put jennie out of a job. those are your only two options.

Didn't you and Eva Braun die in WWII?

Unfortunately Jennifer feels that the government is better suited to make decisions for you. I voted for the candidate who feels that responsible adults are perfectly capible of making decisions for themselves. Unfortunately, the majority of Michigan didn't. Why, I don't know. I can only guess by the way the Democrats dominated this mid-term election that most Americans are pissed at Bush. Understandably so, but state government and federal government are two different things. What I'm saying is that it's no surprise to me that the Democrats took over the house and senate in Washington, but I don't know anyone who liked Granholm, ANYONE! I just don't get it.

the voters had more confidence in Granholm than they did in her loose cannon opponent in the last election. what's to "get" about that?

Are you nuts? I guess in libville that fiscal responsibility, lower taxes and less government intrusion and theft are bad things. If you like taxes then send in some extra, they'll take it. Heck, get all your socialist friends to send in a couple thousand each and see what happens.

I am not going to call you any names. I am even willing to agree that all it takes is one time reguardless of experience. But you are under the illusion that wearing a helmet is somehow going to magicly save everything. That is that is the non-riding publics general opinion. That's what they have been trained to believe. But the fact of the matter is that just isn't the case. Statistics from the 30 states that allow choice proove that. Unfortunately most people don't know that, but it's true. Think about it, the very fact the majority of states allow choice should be proof enough that helmets and helmet laws are ineffective. The fact is that a motorcycle accident is so tramatic no helmet, body armour, or any safety gear can save you. For example, if you went skydiving and your parachute didn't open, is it going to make any difference wheather or not you are wearing a helmet when you hit the ground? Of course not. This law was put in place for two reasons. One, being forced to wear a helmet discourages people from riding motorcycles. Two, it makes those who have never riden a motorcycle feel good. That's it. It is feel good law that creates a false sense of security and accomplishes nothing! What is the answer? Simple, rider education and car driver awareness of motorcycles. Will that prevent all motorcycle accidents and fatalities completely? Of course not, but it will keep it to a minimum. Motorcycle accidents and fatalities have been up on a nationwide level, in helmet and choice states alike. I personally blame cell phone usage and distracted driving, the timeline fits. However in all of our neighboring helmet-choice states it has only gone up 10-15% compared to 65% here with a helmet law. And the reason is they have better rider education and motorcycle awareness progams than we do. Not to mention all of our neighboring helmet-choice states are aslo at-fault states as to where we are a no-fault state. Not only are we a no-fault state, but Michigan was the first state to create no-fault. That is why our rates are twice as expensive as our neigboring states. The insurance lobby has had a choke-hold on this state for a long time now. That is why the insurance companies get away with spoonfeeding the general public as well as those in Lansing anti-choice propaganda. They claim rates will go up if choice is allowed. But we know that isn't true judging by our neighbors rates. They cost more because lobbyists cost a lot of money. In short we pay for their lobbyists to take our freedoms away by charging us an obscene amount for insurance! And wheather or not you can handle it, THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!

...that she has done absolutely nothing to improve this state and yet she got re-elected. That can only be because Bush has pissed off just about everyone at this point. Remember the cheap shot commercial where DeVos morphed into Bush? Have you ever seen anything like that before? 2 questions: 1) If Kerry had been elected 2004, do you think Granholm would have had a snowballs chance in Hell of getting re-elected? 2) If Kerry were President and DeVos were governor right now, do you think Michigan as well as America would be better off today?

The answer to question 1 is NO. Without Bush as her political whipping boy and scapegoat for all her shortcomings, no way. The answer to question 2 is YES.

Gary Busey got coked up and liquored before he had his FIVE MPH accident and somehow his head injury was the state of California's fault for not having a helmet law at the time. UNF__KING BELIEVABLE. Whatever happened to personal responsability?!

of the deVos loose cannon school hardly have demonstrated a proclivity for fiscal responsibility and limited government. they have a habit of spending like drunken sailors while getting rid of means to cover their bills. that is profligate reliance on credit, and a sure route to destruction in the future. they also believe and push for increased central control, with all the inefficiencies that entails. at the same time, centralized control reduces ordinary folks' opportunities for meaningful participation and self-government. the only way to go fiscally is pay-as-you-go, with everyone pitching in their share of taxes to cover the cost of government. the way to less government is to keep it and the opower of governance close to home in local communities. Governor Granholm vs loose cannon deVos gave voters no good choice. so they went with a known quantity. probably smart in the final analysis. at least it was the cautious and conservative thing to do.

to cast a vote for the candidate who lied to the public on numerous occasions, then fired police officers and released criminals? i'm sorry, but you can't label that conservative under any light. admit it, the liberals are the ones who got us here, and they are the ones who will KEEP us here.

i said that that in the last election a vote for Granholm was not an especially good choice, but given the loose cannon behavior of neocons -- of which her opponent was one -- voters were conservative and cautious and went for a KNOWN QUANTITY. they were bound to get burned no matter what.

"loose cannon" who believes in LOWERING TAXES, LESS GOVERNMENT, AND THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE than the 'known quantity' that DOESN'T. by the way, what's so wrong with a "loose cannon". bill clinton was one, harry truman was one, abraham lincoln was one too. all of their opponents have listed them as 'loose cannons'. so you are telling me that the ENTIRE ELECTORATE of michigan thought that JENNIE was the best choice in the last election??? she certainly hasn't lived up to a SINGLE PROMISE, except to raise our taxes. in five years, she hasn't "improved" one single thing. she better get it in gear, she has less than three years left to do all these wonders. considering that she seems to have NO CLUE how she's going to do it, and hasn't even started PLANNING for a clue, i DON'T THINK she's going to get it done. if she even bothers to try...

The nanny state libs/socialists took it away so that they can control all aspects of the sheeple's lives. We need a poll test or we are doomed.

Why make me wear a helmet when we all know it s the pricks in michigan that are the threat, Condoms on all tax and spend politicians

Why make me wear a helmet when we all know it s the pricks in michigan that are the threat, Condoms on all tax and spend politicians

"Why make me wear a helmet when we all know it s the pricks in michigan that are the threat" Because you are a tax-slave to the Lansing lefties. They're just trying to protect their "property." Now behave, and maybe they'll throw you an I-pod.

state capital, lansing, michiganistan, 12 noon. FREEDOM RALLY. rain or shine be there with fire in your hearts. tell your friends to tell thier friends that there is power in numbers. tell these younger riders that thier safety on the road this summer will depend on there partisapation. we need to let our legislators know that we are still mean busniess. also drop a line to terry lynn land sec. of state thanking her for helping ABATE with the awareness signs along the x-ways. "MAY IS MOTORCYCLE AWARENESS MONTH, SHARE THE ROAD". hopefully this will keep more motorists aware there are motorcyclists using the road. again, pass the word about the freedom rally. lets all show the powers thatbe we stand united about our precious freedoms.

HB4749 is the new bill number for this sessions motorcycle helmet law MODIFICATION bill. This bill was just introduced and is not yet listed. However 4749 is the number and it should be listed soon. As mentioned by Supressed American, Wednesday June 6th, Freedom rally. State Capitol 12:00 noon, BE THERE !!!

Um, what ?! How is re-electing a proven loser either cautious or conservative? Granholm has been the worst governor in this states history before she was re-elected. Now that she is in her last term and cannot be re-elected again, therefore having nothing to lose, do you honestly think the next four years are going to be better?! If so, I'd like to sell you my ocean front property in Kansas!

Sticking with a proven loser is never the right thing to do. Look at the Tigers and the Lions. In 2003 the Tigers were the worst team in the league. In fact the were only 2 losses away from being the worst team of all time. So the Tigers organization had to make a tough choice in letting Allen Trammell go. And, unlike Granholm, Trammell was well liked. 2006 they hire jim Leyland and went to the World Series. As for the Lions, Matt Millen has given them 5 losing seasons. So what do the Fords do, give Millen 5 more years. Year 1 of the new 5 year deal the Lions were what 3-13?! Do you think next season will be any better? Anyone want to guess which team has a better chance of winning a championship? That being said if DeVos had been elected there is no guarentee that he would have turned Michigan around. However, we already know that Granholm can't. So why stick with a guarenteed loser. If DeVos had won we would've at least have chance to make things better.

...here is another example of one of many of Jennifer's lies. Teachers were behind Granholm because she was "for education." I don't think that DeVos, or anyone for that matter, was "against" education, but none-the-less the teachers backed Granholm. Now she plans to cut funding for schools. Good choice teachers! If you were naive enough to be duped by her B.S. I'm not sure that you should be teaching our kids in the first place.

With the price of gas expected to reach $4 A GALLON this summer, to save money the state police will be forced have more cars sitting on the side of the freeway and less on the rode driving. This is part of the states budget plan. Therefore there will be less state police officers available to give so-called "illegal helmet" tickets. One would think that they would have more important things to concern themselves with anyway. You were wrong about one thing however. Florida's death rate did not stay the same when they repealed their helmet law. IT WAS LOWERED!

been introducted. it will be brought forth when time allows. should it pass the house and senate AGAIN !! jenny will probably veto it again. ONLY after she meets with AAA insurance big wigs AGAIN. i wonder how much they will pay her this year. its really a shame that when your government is so infatick about RULING your life. no wonder they got rid of sadam husain. but we still got jenny !!!!!

$$$$. put up toll boths at every border around michiganistan. make non residence travelers pay a fee [TAX] every time they cross over. can you imagine the money the state WON"T make. not to mention the drop in tourism. i just can't understand why those people wouldn't PAY to come to this sorry overtaxed, over regulated, fees for everything state. don't they understand that these stupid michiganistanders need all the help they can get. it's such a sorry, sorry, situation.

You need to get off them

I can't wait for the helmet laws to be lifted. Then I get to see what the cry baby conservatives will whine about next.

This goes well with the Sec of State's drive for organ donors early in the year. Less helmets equal more life saving organ donations. It sounds morbid and disrespectful, but it is the truth.

highway death rate go DOWN? why did all the other state's who abolished their helmet laws rates go DOWN? because the motorcyclists DROVE MORE SAFELY, instead of being told (FALSELY) that a helmet is going to save their lives. i say, if the state is going to mandate helmet use, it should assume ALL responsibility when helmets DON'T WORK AS ADVERTISED. every death of a helmet wearing motorcyclist should be made the STATE'S FAULT. they said that a helmet would save the guys life, and it DIDN'T. the state should bear the burden for putting out that kind of lie. they should ALSO work on MAKING THAT LIST OF APPROVED HELMETS, because if NO HELMET IS APPROVED, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WEAR ONE.

Nobody says that a helmet will save your life in a high speed accident, many bikers are killed by internal injuries and bleeding, the helmet is meant to protect your head from blunt force trauma it what may be a survivable accident. The death of an adult by severe head trauma caused by chosing to not wear a helmet isn't the real issue. I support your right to not wear a helmet, I jsut don't want to support you via social security and medicaid when you are a vegatable. I beleive that once you turn 18, If you drive a car without wearing a seatbelt or ride a motorcycle without a helmet that you sign a release of liability and release of claim against any local, state or federal agencies. If two medical professionals determine and certify that your disability could have been reduced or elimintated by the proper use of DOT approved helmet or seatbelts then your are not entitled to collect or apply for SSI, SSDI, Medicaid or any other tax supported system. And before your say what about sports injuries, everytime my son plays football I ahve to sign a waiver that says I wont sue the school, he knows that ramming helmet first is a prohibited activity and that he is never allowed on the field without a helmet. As a matter of fact our local school district has certified helmet fitters that are the only people allowed to fit the helmets. If you want to assume the risk then great, if you wear a helmet that is DOT or SNELL approved and it fails to protect you, then sue the manufacturer. But if as a consenting adult over 18 chose to particpate in an activity that is dangourous without the aviliable safety equiptment then great, go for it, if its using a saw without safety glasses or riding a motorcycle without a helmet, boots, long pants and eye protection be a true rebel biker, sign the waiver and don't take "The Mans" money, free wheelchair, free van with ramp, maybe your Biker Bros will haul you around in a sidecar and push your wheelchair around, let your Bros have a poker run to pay your medical bill, build a ramp at your house and support your family, jsut don't ask me to do it with my tax money.

professionals who are willing to stake their career on an opinion that lack of seatbelt use or lack of helmet use was the single cause of a set of injuries. simply because that would give them the power to say that seatbelt use, or helmet use MADE SOME INJURIES WORSE. this would allow doctors to PLACE BLAME on the state for mandating seatbelt use and helmet use. it would also allow the state to place blame on the state for any deaths and injuries THEY PERCIEVE were caused SOLELY by seatbelt or helmet use. the state would not release that kind of authority over it's money.

I just better start seeing EVERY boater wearing an approved life jacket at all times on the water too, from fishing and pontoon boats all the way up to luxery liners....Yeah, right...I can here all the whining and crying about that already. How about mandatory life jacket use in your own pool too, regardless of your age, or swimming ability ?? Just think of all the people saved from accidental drowning. Sounds fair to me.

I just better start seeing EVERY boater wearing an approved life jacket at all times on the water too, from fishing and pontoon boats all the way up to luxery liners....Yeah, right...I can here all the whining and crying about that already. How about mandatory life jacket use in your own pool too, regardless of your age, or swimming ability ?? Just think of all the people saved from accidental drowning. Sounds fair to me.

I just better start seeing EVERY boater wearing an approved life jacket at all times on the water too, from fishing and pontoon boats all the way up to luxery liners....Yeah, right...I can here all the whining and crying about that already. How about mandatory life jacket use in your own pool too, regardless of your age, or swimming ability ?? Just think of all the people saved from accidental drowning. Sounds fair to me.

everybody rip their pools out, as pools cause drowning. and ban all boats on the water, as boats on the water cause drowning too. how about banning all cars, as cars cause drunk driving.

jennifer only wants to save bikers lives ? then why is she pro abortion and late term abortions ? why is it that she wants to release prisoners early are all these things to save lives. The liberal thinking of a berkley education!!!