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Anonymous Citizen
  - Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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I believe in fixing things if their broken
and our legislators have plenty of fixing to do. Pray if you think it will help, but I sure don't feel welcome as a citizen when I see those 10 commandments. I says, "We're right, you're wrong." I thought this country was about freedom of thought. You can spend my tax payer money to share the history of our country's founding in the MUSEUM down the road. I want FACTS in government. FACTS helping solve problems making this state a better place to live. I haven't asked for a plaque that says, "I'm not so sure God exists."
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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it's not the governments role
to establish a religion.
neither is it to ignore religion.
the principle is that there is only one "superior" and that the rest of us are equal.
would you rather god be superior, or government?
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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Only wealthy can leave job 3 months at a time
would be nice to see them away from power of special interests, but...
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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I'd rather people get solving their own problems
and stop waiting around for help. They can do. I have faith in them. God and government separate concerns. God is on your own time if you so choose. Your business. Government is there to ensure no one is going to MAKE you change religions or declare a religion at all. That's government's job. THAT's the guarantee of living in this country. Government is there to make sure you are not discriminated against when you go to apply for a job based on religion. Government is there to ENFORCE that law of the land.
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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I didn't see poor, I mean average
I just don't see what you suggest working in the first place is all. I'd like to see someone who knows what it is like to struggle a bit represent the people. Not everyone needs to be wealthy in a legislative body. Sure, you want some bean counters. They are a necessary portion of government.
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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No I mean our representatives solving the problems
I believe in a balance of government and personal solving of problems.
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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Does EVERY legislator have to be a money expert?
What is your definition of success? Can't there be experts in other things? I'm not saying a homeless person, but come on.
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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everyone in legislature is wealthy now...
and only looking to get wealthier.
maybe we should elect a poor person or two and a religious person, just to shake things up.
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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how many politicians would stay
if there were no money in it?
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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Capitol may get display of historical documents
Ten Commandments among items approved
By David Eggert
Associated Press
A panel decided Wednesday to include the Ten Commandments in a display of historical documents inside the Michigan Capitol.
The Capitol Committee voted 11-1 to approve a proposal that - unless it's changed - would show the commandments as part of an educational display explaining the history of law and government. Other documents could include the Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, Northwest Ordinance and U.S. and state constitutions.
Rep. Robert Gosselin, a Troy Republican and backer of the display, said the U.S. was founded on the principals and values of the Ten Commandments and other documents.
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"These are fundamental documents that were there from the beginning," he said. "It's history."
The Capitol Committee includes four senators, four state representatives and four members of Gov. Jennifer Granholm's administration. Department of Management and Budget Director Lisa Webb Sharpe cast the lone "no" vote but declined to say why.
Wednesday's vote requires Capitol Committee Executive Director Jerry Lawler to install the display on the ground floor of the Capitol rotunda. He will work with the Michigan Historical Center on how to mount the display, and it will be reviewed by the attorney general's office for any legal problems.
The panel has been considering a display since October after the House approved a resolution in March 2005 encouraging it to create a public display of the commandments.
The U.S. Supreme Court last year said commandments exhibits will be upheld if their main purpose is to honor the nation's legal - rather than religious - traditions, and if they don't promote one religious sect over another.
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crazycajun
 - Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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sounds like quite a majority to overcome on this one.
mob rule at it's finest, i'd say.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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the fact that the ten commandments IS the basis of our laws, and to leave it out is revisionist to say the least.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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Ok, and Fraklin had to explain to these guys that lightning
was not the hand of god punishing sinners. We've come a long way baby. Welcome to a new millenium. We learn. We especially learn the violent history of the church and its treatment of women. About the Crusades and POWER and MONEY. We questions things.
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crazycajun
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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eleven out of twelve guys that you elected think it's ok.
are you SURE you elected the right people?
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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the question of what religion would be established by the posting of the ten commandments?
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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They say Oregon and Washinton
aren't very religious. Maybe I'll visit. Ironically, Europe isn't all that religious anymore. It's just the Americans. Funny.
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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what religion are they based on?
Christain, Jewish, don't know, don't care. We have state laws. We follow them or they are enforced with penalty. Right?
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crazycajun
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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and your legislators still cant find the law that this would violate.
and they WROTE the darned things.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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crazycajun
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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But they don't represent every religion
and there's not enough room for every religion, so don't put any up.
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crazycajun
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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all religions out of the political arena...
you very effectively make atheism the state religion.
michigan constitution, article 1. Sec. 6.
Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
keep your powder dry.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Bovard 1994
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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Sound Bite Truism ... Isn't Truth At All
Another example of a nonsense sound bite offered up as a kernel of wisdom and substitute for real thinking:
“when you take all religions out of the political arena... you very effectively make atheism the state religion.”
Actually, when you take religion out of the political arena you accomplish two things. First, you help preserve unity. Second, you protect individuals’ rights to freely believe in and practice the religions of their choice.
In other words, you simply neutralize religion’s potential as a divisive or oppressive force. Pulling religion into the political arena invariably creates stress (divisiveness) as the religiocrats push the government (the state) toward deciding which religious beliefs (church or sect) to endorse (approve, favor and foster) and which to reject (disapprove, condemn and suppress). When the religiocrats are very active and influential, unity suffers. When they win politically, oppression reigns and individual freedom goes out the window.
The Founding Fathers of the United States understood all of this very well. So in creating our system of government they intentionally erected that famous “wall of separation between church (religion) and state.” See the Constitution and Bill of Rights they wrote and adopted, for reference.
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Anonymous Citizen
- Joined on Sat, Nov 22 2008
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have you read this states
constitution preamble???
like it or not, this state, and every other state, was formed by applying religious principles, by religious men.
and like it or not, the nation was formed in response to religious persecution.
atheism is the absence of religion.
where's the falsehood in that.
if religion is a big issue to you, then ask each and every politician you vote for what religion they are, and don't vote for the ones you don't agree with.
but to ask a man to vote on "logic and common sense" alone, without guidance of conscience and the belief that he will have to answer for the injustices that he commits is scary to me.
i'm sorry if you don't like religion, or are afraid of it being shown in public, but my ability to be religious, anywhere, everywhere, anytime, is just as guaranteed as your right to complain about it.
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